replacement engine

[matchlessman]

Isn't that potentially the same for the majority of combined engine/gearbox casings?

Or the same as any gearbox failure. Imagine a broken selector fork which allowed gears to mesh when they shouldn't. Catastrophic wheel locking etc. Or a brake caliper coming adrift. Many of the parts on a motorcycle are safety critical and failure could kill you.

I try not to think about that when I'm enjoying the ride. If I worried too much I'd be on the bus....

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[Neil W]

To me you are making a big deal out of nothing. You have a bike with the latest engine and gearbox which is probably under manufacturer warranty. The fact that the engine is new is a positive not a negative. Just ride it and enjoy. I just can't see the problem. JJH

The problem is that the V5C is not carrying the correct details , maybe not a problem to the previous owner but is does show up that fact that the OP didn't check the bikes numbers against the documentation.

It needs to be changed as if he goes to sell the bike privately and anyone viewing it checks the numbers (which it is scary that many do not ) it will show the discrepancy and set alarm bells off.

The dealer will no doubt (or should) have provided the previous owner with some sort of documentation and it should have been acted upon, also the dealer is remiss for taking in a bike as a part ex and then selling it on with incorrect details on the V5C.

Pet hate of mine having seen dealers f*ck up on new registrations and ending up with new cars going out carrying the wrong plates or having incorrectly filled in the initial V5c with the wrong chassis number (causes problems at first MOT time)

in this case, however, it is easily solved by a covering letter from the dealer and send off the V5C.

It does as I say raise the question of how many of you actually bother to check the engine/chassis number of the vehicles they are purchasing ...whether new or used...against the relevant documentation as even main dealers can make mistakes

 

[Karlread]

When my engine was replaced, the dealer provided me with a letter to send to DVLA with the V5 confirming that they had replaced the engine, a week later I received a new V5 with the new engine number. No problem at all.I can see where the OP is coming from, I think he may struggle to reject the bike as apart from a different number all seems well with the bike and it has an engine/gearbox with less miles than shown on the odometer��

 

[Santa-2512]

I'm still baffled about what the OP is after.

From what i can see he's bought a SH bike,

Now either he's

A) Fallen out of love with it

B) Decided it's not what he wants

C) Seen its had warranty work

Upshot is he wants his money back, or a wodge of compo, holiday in the sun etc


From a peace and love man, pespective.
Sure here's all your money back, have some compo, free holiday for life, and we'll close the
dealership in question out of principle .

From a Legal perspective
Your over 18, you read the documentation, bill of sale / finance agreement / service book, checked the V5 MOT cert, test rode and satisfied yourself the bike was as described and what you wanted. And duscussed in depth with the dealer. You signed the legaly binding contracts, bill of sale etc, and paid the money / finance & removed the bike from the dealers premises.
After the cooling off period, you have finally gone through the documentation, and found the dealer has replaced the engine under warranty, and now you have taken umbrage, convinced yourdelf the bike is a lemon / missold and want your money back

From a real world view
Caveat Emptor

In a nutshell if there is no warranty supplied or guarantee of satisfaction, then the ancient rule applies - Buyer Beware.



Even if you were to take it back to the dealer under consumer law, and make a successful claim, the first option is for the dealer to repair or replace.

Only if they fail to repair would you get a refund..

So at best your going to get another engine at worst another bike

If you want a lemon, have my bike, and i'll have yours

I guarantee you'd be be screaming blue murder,
and have an open line of credit to suisse bank....

Life's too short, enjoy your bike

 

[JJH]

Well in reality if they are to really fix the perceived problem they will have to put the old engine back in. JJH

 

[ziggyboy]

I don't want any compo or a holiday , I want my money back as after finding out the past of the bike regardless if the engine is new its not the bike that rolled off the production line ,

I have also been in touch with my insurance company and they have suggested i don't ride the bike until the V5 has been sorted out , On that subject i don't expect BMW to sell me a bike that could of possibly had a major issue if the bike had been stolen and recovered and engine numbers not matching for a simple thing like changing the paperwork and then when i find out and write to them there reply is its an easy thing to do you just send the V5 off ,

Pathetic shocking piss poor service after spending 10k cash

Also DVLA say i need a covering letter showing all work done by dealer to verify my engine number change , If you would be happy with that then good on you , I aint !!

 

[Daffy]

I dont see the issue, you spent £10k on a bike with 2 years warranty (assuming it's a BMW used bike) and it hasn't got a XX,000mile engine and gearbox, its got a Brand new updated unit with a new clutch to boot.

I also bought a used RT from Bahnstormer that had had a new engine fitted just before I bought it, in fairness to them they did tell me upfront, personally i felt like I'd won a watch.

Would the OP rather have a bike with the original engine but a new case that has been stripped to nothing and reassembled - I know which I would prefer. (this starts a debate because the engine number might be on the case that was replaced........ lets not go there)

FWIW, I still have the old engine number on my V5, I haven't changed it because I can't be arsed (I probably should though). It has been MOT'd and the fact that the engine number doesn't match DVSA records was not mentioned.

Each to their own and all that but I would just chill and enjoy the bike, unless of course its more a case of buyers remorse.

 

[Mr Bean]

I have also been in touch with my insurance company and they have suggested i don't ride the bike until the V5 has been sorted out

On what basis?

 

[ziggyboy]

they said in possible theft and then recovered the engine would not match the V5 , I even spoke to the manager at Admirals and she confirmed the same , She said she has dealt with claims that have had replacement engines and it has caused major problems with so many bikes being stolen and stripped for parts

 

[JerseyNeil]

You agreed to buy a motorcycle that you viewed in a showroom and test rode and was clearly happy to buy it based on your viewing and test ride. You pointed at it and said "I want that one" and they sold it to you. From what you say, it is in perfect working order (as it was when you bought it). You have since found out that it has had a new engine fitted by an authorized BMW dealer and supplied by BMW - the people that made the first engine). The shame of it. How very dare they!

You must feel utter violated!

I think you need a reality check. The bike is fine. Better than new and your whining. If you have an issue with the wheels then deal with that under your warranty.

As others have said, ride it and enjoy it. Oh and sort out your V5

 

[ziggyboy]

You sound like a man who has things on tick , i however won't accept the shoddy service by a company that pat themselves on the back everytime one of there units roll out the door and replace engines and not tell anyone about it and possibly cause issues for the end user with insurance work

Im not here to argue with people like you i will take my feelings up with head office and see what happens next , Ill repeat what i thought i had already said , The issue is not with a brand new engine as the one i thought i has had only done 11k so new anyway but the issue is with BMW who sold a bike , decided not to say anything about a new engine , THE HEART OF ANY MACHINE and couldn't be arsed to send off paperwork , I have also just found out that the whole exhaust was replaced as well for some issue so basically the bike sounds like a right lemon and i will have a replacement with the original engine and original paperwork and if anything goes wrong with it i will get it changed on warranty but know all about it and worse case scenario the engine gets replaced then i will contact DVLA myself with all the paperwork to hand ,

 

[Mr Bean]

Im not here to argue with people like you i will take my feelings up with head office and see what happens next

As I said in an earlier post - good luck and let us know how you get on.

 

[mrtee43]

I honestly cannot see your problem at all !

Let's suppose you get another bike, all original, and 2 months later you reckon the engine is corroding and want it fixed under warranty. BMW replace the engine or engine cases. You are in exactly the same position now.

You feel pissed off because you were not told the bike has had a new engine/gearbox, why ? Are you any worse off ? No you are better off because you have your "heart of the bike " brand new from BMW which will have any upgrade and improvement.

FWIW, I bought my bike used privately with 505 miles saving about £4000 on new. The previous owner had put it away over winter unwashed after its last trip and the engine and final drive was showing small white spots in various places. At about 3000 miles BMW replaced for new, the whole engine/ gearbox, swingarm and final drive and the 2nd 600 mile running in service was done for free.

In my mind I had hit the jackpot.

Would you have been happier having a bike with older running gear or a bike with all new running gear for the same price ?

I think your crackers !

 

[JerseyNeil]

You sound like a man who has things on tick , i however won't accept the shoddy service by a company that pat themselves on the back everytime one of there units roll out the door and replace engines and not tell anyone about it and possibly cause issues for the end user with insurance work

Im not here to argue with people like you i will take my feelings up with head office and see what happens next , Ill repeat what i thought i had already said , The issue is not with a brand new engine as the one i thought i has had only done 11k so new anyway but the issue is with BMW who sold a bike , decided not to say anything about a new engine , THE HEART OF ANY MACHINE and couldn't be arsed to send off paperwork , I have also just found out that the whole exhaust was replaced as well for some issue so basically the bike sounds like a right lemon and i will have a replacement with the original engine and original paperwork and if anything goes wrong with it i will get it changed on warranty but know all about it and worse case scenario the engine gets replaced then i will contact DVLA myself with all the paperwork to hand ,

I save my pennies and buy cash or not at all. I am proud to say that I bought my first ever new bike for cash earlier this year. I am just trying to give you a reality check bud. I bought a car last year second hand. After owning it a few weeks I noticed that, in certain light it was clear that the rear offside wing had been resprayed. Probably likely that my new to me car had been involved in an accident previously. I bought it from a BMW dealer and guess what........ they never mentioned the repair and guess what...... I did fuck all about it because it had been properly repaired and there was not an issue! Now if your bike was previously a write off that would be a different matter.

I think your pissing into the wind on this one but best of luck (and I do mean it).

 

[Diacono]

This is a troll account, surely?

 

[ziggyboy]

yes you are

 

[ziggyboy]

you just don't seem to be getting it , Im not questioning the quality of the machine I'm questioning the trust and honesty i have lost with the bike and the dealer , If i had known what know now i would of picked another one regardless if it had more milage , there are thousands to choose from and like i said i dint have the bargain of the century with it , I part x my s1000r that was in mint condition and all paperwork in correct order ,

 

[Neil W]

you just don't seem to be getting it , Im not questioning the quality of the machine I'm questioning the trust and honesty i have lost with the bike and the dealer , If i had known what know now i would of picked another one regardless if it had more milage , there are thousands to choose from and like i said i dint have the bargain of the century with it , I part x my s1000r that was in mint condition and all paperwork in correct order ,

I would question the dealer as to why they sold you a bike with an incorrect engine nos on the V5C , they are respsonsible and they knew the engine had been swapped so should have made sure the docs were correct when they took it back as a part ex and definitely before they sold it on.

I personally would have happily bought the bike if the dealer mentioned the fact it had a new motor and the numbers had been changed on the V5C (it is in your favour when you sell it on ie a say 20,000 mile bike that has an engine in that has only done for example 6 or 7,000 miles) .

I would NOT buy the same bike if because of corrosion problems it had the original internals built into new casings on a dealers workbench, even if the V5C was correct and would be a damned sight more pissed off it I found that out at a later date .

Put the ball back in the dealers court regarding providing documentation for the V5C updates and push for a bit of goodwill on the issue (you may get some freebies or even a service ) and remember the next time you buy a bike to check the numbers match the V5C

 

[ziggyboy]

 

[ziggyboy]