Returning to a hexhead

not worried about pretend pictures - the facts are - I've ridden two hex head bikes - a 2008 press demo (specially knobbled by the manu - that probably had the HP map) it was bonkers, mine which is very fast, and 5 TC bikes all of which have been really gutless and slow

the press bike would go up a certain big hill at 115, mine easily does 110 and all the TC ones struggle to do 100 even when you try much harder
If you knobble somthing , you make it worse , so how could it have a map and be bonkers ??

Or was it the special tyres that you can feel the tarmac with ? ;)
 
If you knobble something , you make it worse , so how could it have a map and be bonkers ??

Or was it the special tyres that you can feel the tarmac with ? ;)
I didn't say that

it was BMW, they pepped it up for a press demo bike - like they all do - AKA fully loaded with toys and special prep for more go, often with special tyres and then tell the journalists the price of a base spec bike with no toys.... 15k for a GS - yes Sir....but the one you road tested was really 28k !!!

and bonkers fast - as in its performance envelope is not like any other you can buy.....

Car tyre testing - check why ALL proper tyre tests used to do a blind locally bought comparison, vs the ones given out for testing by the manu - its NORMAL the ones they give out for multi brand tyre test comparisons are NOT the ones you can buy - the big manu like to push fakes - special compounds to get the grip and handling win - but it falls to bits inside 8k miles - these days they have been caught out so much, many testers pretend to do wear rate comparisons - but then the bit you ride on when new is not the trash you have half way through the tread depth !!!
 
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I didn't say that

it was BMW, they pepped it up for a press demo bike - like they all do - AKA fully loaded with toys and special prep for more go, often with special tyres and then tell the journalists the price of a base spec bike with no toys.... 15k for a GS - yes Sir....but the one you road tested was really 28k !!!

and bonkers fast - as in its performance envelope is not like any other you can buy.....

Car tyre testing - check why ALL proper tyre tests used to do a blind locally bought comparison, vs the ones given out for testing by the manu - its NORMAL the ones they give out for multi brand tyre test comparisons are NOT the ones you can buy - the big manu like to push fakes - special compounds to get the grip and handling win - but it falls to bits inside 8k miles - these days they have been caught out so much, many testers pretend to do wear rate comparisons - but then the bit you ride on when new is not the trash you have half way through the tread depth !!!
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not worried about pretend pictures - the facts are - I've ridden two hex head bikes - a 2008 press demo (specially knobbled by the manu - that probably had the HP map)

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so if your now saying you didnt say that , what are you saying ??

Oh and Trick tyres :blast ?? The only way your going to improve grip on stock rubber is slicks - ........ and ???
 
you inferred I had modified the bike - it was BMW for a press launch - and you can put special compound tyres on bike that look the same but perform very differently

these days you get a 3 week holiday in south africa, and when you say nice things magically up springs a long term test bike and usually the new S1000rr for the winter !!! - so the reviews are always impartial - then muppets buy them at stupid prices
 
Why do you persevere with BMWs? You appear to have plenty of experience of them but seem to just bitch about them most of the time.
 
Why do you persevere with BMWs? You appear to have plenty of experience of them but seem to just bitch about them most of the time.
It would appear he'd be better off on an s1000 as he appears to ride like a BSB racer too and can exceed the limits of an adventure bike. Go figure.
 
Back on topic, I dropped £10k in cash plus the keys to my '08 GSA MU in exchange for a shiny 2019 GSA Rallye HP in a moment of madness. Its a decision I regret as the new bike is quicker, smoother and has way more toys like cruise control and the whizz wheel etc yet I miss the basic feel and simplicity of my old bike, which only had 50k on the odometer and will probably still be running if cared for long after this 1250 is a pile of scrap.
 
Back on topic, I dropped £10k in cash plus the keys to my '08 GSA MU in exchange for a shiny 2019 GSA Rallye HP in a moment of madness. Its a decision I regret as the new bike is quicker, smoother and has way more toys like cruise control and the whizz wheel etc yet I miss the basic feel and simplicity of my old bike, which only had 50k on the odometer and will probably still be running if cared for long after this 1250 is a pile of scrap.


so was the 08GS the 4 rocker cover bolt heads ? these do seem to have a more suitable power curve for everyday riding - that's one of my points, every since this old engine was replaced ALL the newer ones don't ride as well. Yes its a bag of nails and the later one is less shocking - but then its nags more - as its almost right but has stray random rattles that grate

on my 9k mile like new TC, I just had the i-level updated (mainly to get the alarm all happy) and it looks like nothing was updated software iteration wise in ANY module - when u dig at the detail JUST like everyone, all GS' and the K1300's the ABS module they don't ever flash - yet this update is often the only module where a later iteration exists ? and still the glitches, holes and coughs in this MAP are if anything worse than those I moan about I the VX800 thread on the old hex head one !!!! - I've even done the valve clearances (at £8 a shim) only needed to sort one, where one exhaust valve aiming for max acceptable and I took 5 thou out and done the carb balance

as for my choice of bike and riding style - I ride a GS for the very reason you seem to think I shouldn't - I had poly pockets exups, tl1000r and tried mates other's ones - (fireblades, 996, speed triple's etc.) our roads are so naff with now obscure sight lines and bomb craters everywhere - you must have a 19" front, and the GS is easier and far safer to travel a lot quicker than almost any other bike made....

Although I'm struggling to stop on the TC - whilst the altered steering geometry gives a nicer steering feel and makes it more maneuverable below 50mph, I've lost so much braking stability its quite scary. The Std GS stops much better - this GSA gets seriously squirrely even when trying 30% less hard - an issue I face is I didn't notice the Std one improve under braking when I put on a wilbers, I always had plenty of stability - but an aftermarket front is a reason it could be better - but I think its all about the geometry

Thats one thing the LC did well, it had very strong braking
 
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Interesting to read, I’ve been toying with a newer LC or even a 1250 but I don’t like PCP I like owning my bikes and cars too. So interesting to read your thoughts, im also up in Highlands and another issue is servicing. We don’t really have any decent options up here, so I think I will go back to the TC. I can service it myself which is good for me over on the islands.

Be good to hear what the main gripes of the LC is other than gadgets. The LC is becoming quite cheap as an option now and I do like gadgets 😀
 
Alternator/ stator 2013-2014

2016-
Mine had the following replaced under warranty & (extend warranty)

Throtle grip unit
Throttle grip wiring
Rear shock not warranty 1.1k contribution from me
Cam sensor
Main ecu
Fuel pressure regulator
Rh throttle body

I called it a day when the throttle body failed
 
I guess you go with what you like riding the most.
Bought my 2013 GSA TC brand new, sold it on here in 2019 following a great deal on a GSA 1200 LC Rallye. After a year and 8k miles on the LC I just missed the TC and managed to buy it back.
Fortunately it was in the same mint condition as I had sold it and had only done 4k miles in someone else's hands, so was really lucky and glad to get it back.
 
I guess you go with what you like riding the most.
Bought my 2013 GSA TC brand new, sold it on here in 2019 following a great deal on a GSA 1200 LC Rallye. After a year and 8k miles on the LC I just missed the TC and managed to buy it back.
Fortunately it was in the same mint condition as I had sold it and had only done 4k miles in someone else's hands, so was really lucky and glad to get it back.
And a beauty she is too. Anyone who bought one of the last TCs in the country, especially in that colour scheme got an incredible deal and can count themselves very lucky indeed. 😍
 
And a beauty she is too. Anyone who bought one of the last TCs in the country, especially in that colour scheme got an incredible deal and can count themselves very lucky indeed. 😍
Agreed, as you know your GSA is the same as mine.
After a demo on the LC I made a throw away comment to the sales guy, "It's a shame the TC has stopped" at which he pointed out their last unregistered TC tucked away in the corner behind the LCs. BMW were chucking in alloy luggage, inner bags, Nav V, tinted screen, a £1000 sales bonus plus a healthy discount and some servicing from the dealer made it a package I could not refuse.
 
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Thought I should include some pictures. I’m delighted, have now done about 500 miles. Not had a twin cam before, had two new hexheads and two new LCs. Also had an 1150, 2 x 1100, an R100 and an R80. This twin cam is my favourite 😊
 

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That's why I'm still on my old 2006 GSA after 137.000 miles now. I'm just returning from the top of Estonia on it. 760 Kms today down to the south of Lithuania and it's a joy and a comfort to ride.
I had a few rides on WC's including 3.000 miles in Alaska on a 1250. Too complicated and I just couldn't gel with them.
Enjoy your new bike.

I love hearing stories like this. I’m on 100,000

Hoping for many more years yet
 
that's two people in last few month that have said they bought a hex head and actually both bought a TC

I too bought a TC (in June this year with 9200 miles) the original hex head is more than twice the bike a TC is - the later one is busy, much slower and needs 40% more gear changes - I still have both
do you write this stuff for a reaction or are you just a nutter ?
 
I’ve owned both engine types a 2009 hex and 2010,2011 & 2012 TC.

All brilliant but I far prefer the TC for smoothness out of the box. I did find my 2011 was causing white finger after long rides but Rox anti-vibe sorted this. The other two twin cams were smooth as smooth things.

The 2009 hex required a remap to get it soothed out but it still didn’t have the grunt of any of the twin cams.

For me twin cam engine wins my vote hands down, however that’s just my opinion and each to their own..
 


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