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They will never prosecute you anyway, take it to court plead not guilt, the CPS prosecuter will have too much on that day and drop it.
This is my last post on this.
So if you stood a cricketer wearing yellow in the middle of a cricket pitch full of players wearing white, you wouldn't notice it?
Also begs a question why safety vests are not white, but yellow or orange instead.
Well if your really interested they dont have to be yellow or any other colour, it is the reflective on the jacket that makes it safety, the idea behind the legislation and I have personaly discussed it with the person who drafted it was that, it should stand out from the background and be reflective and that as soon as you saw it you would instantly know it designated a person WORKING on the carriageway and take necessary care and that originally ONLY people working in the carriageway would be wearing the hi viz, the whole premise behind it has been blown out of the water by everyone and his maiden aunt now wearing the stuff.
There are plenty of white, yellow, orange and pink hi viz jackets and clothing out there
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Coloured lighting is for fairground rides and clown cars...Take from that what you like.
Legal or not legal
Gentlemen,
2021 BMW R1250 GS Adventure.
I've fitted White lensed Denali D2's under the beak as additional daytime running lights, controlled by a Denali CanSmart. I rarely ride at night.
So far I have activated all the CanSmart extras such as 1) automatically switching off the on side D2 so as not to obscure the front indicator when in use. 2) Strobing both D2's when the horn is used. 3) D2's turn on/off in opposition to the hazard lamps.
I've read the law on the matter as supplied by 'bowser' (thanks you bowser) and to say it is somewhat complicated for the layman would be an understatement. How can one get a definitive answer regarding legality, anybody know?
On the practical side of life the lights are superb, moreover IMHO safety is greatly improved. Our 4 wheel friends definitely see me coming well in advance regardless of ambient light conditions and I only operate the lights at 50% power.
Gentlemen,
2021 BMW R1250 GS Adventure.
I've fitted White lensed Denali D2's under the beak as additional daytime running lights, controlled by a Denali CanSmart. I rarely ride at night.
So far I have activated all the CanSmart extras such as 1) automatically switching off the on side D2 so as not to obscure the front indicator when in use. 2) Strobing both D2's when the horn is used. 3) D2's turn on/off in opposition to the hazard lamps.
I've read the law on the matter as supplied by 'bowser' (thanks you bowser) and to say it is somewhat complicated for the layman would be an understatement. How can one get a definitive answer regarding legality, anybody know?
On the practical side of life the lights are superb, moreover IMHO safety is greatly improved. Our 4 wheel friends definitely see me coming well in advance regardless of ambient light conditions and I only operate the lights at 50% power.
Ah see that's where your are wrong, You get a ticket for light offences and the evidence that it was showing/working/not working is all that is required, e.g. On Day Date Time and place, vehicle index xxxxx was seen driving on public highway displaying illuminated lights red/green/blue etc to the Front/side/rear, you would have to prove that it is permissible to show it for what ever reason, since it is a non endorsable fine I have never known anyone to fight it, have known vehicles to be PG9 i.e. immediately put off the road until the fault rectified, in which case owner normally just cuts the wires and disables the stuff ( normally coloured led lights under and around the vehicle ) then gets a VDRS ticket to go to mot station and get examined to prove that the offending article has been repaired or removed etc.
this is really a pointless discussion anyway, Red/Green/Blue lights (and shades thereof are specifically prohibited as for use by emergency vehicles, Amber is for breakdown/recovery/road maintaince vehicles and one or two other special) so that only leaves yellow and white which is what has already been mentioned, and before some clown mentions it, stated case law has already decided that Pink is a shade of red, and purple a shade of blue etc and equaly prohibited for use on any vehicle other than emergency, although the most likely to get nicked are boy racers with Neon lights all over the place, the neon lights is normally just the starting point before going to town on the rest of the stuff in/on the vehicle that does not conform to con and use regs.
You are mixing emitted light with reflective surfaces.
Also the, again reflective, yellow of the vest is a completely different colour to the orangey of tinted headlight.
By the way, some of the most visible reflective jackets designed for cyclists are white. But again, it is not the colour as bowser explained.
Looking at a cluster of things and picking up the one in a different colour is not at all the same as noticing an headlight in you rear view mirror or the corner of your eye.
Complete separate things.
Great Post, many thanks for your patience and input
Its really simple you cannot have any flashing light other than hazards lights, the maximum wattage of lights is easy in reality is anyone going to do anything about it? Hell no, there would have to be a reason, I have a cheap pair of Chinese spots, those ones where you press the on button once and one setting, again for brighter and then third and they flash, so ok to fit but not ok to use. but I have done so either by accident or occasionally by design, Personally I think flashing lights occasionally especially the brake lights ones do no harm and make things more visibly apparent. I have seen a unit that increases the brake light brightness depending on how hard you brake and then in emergency braking flashes them that seems to me to be a great idea. Just be aware of what laws you are fracturing before you do so, and at least have some kind of defence prepared for If/When you get stopped.
As for brightness who cares, so long as they are E marked then they are legal, it is standard for headlights for instance to be 60/55W however I think the EU regulation that still prevails is 80/100 to get the E mark. So with the Denali if they were fitted they would be fine as long as E marked your bomb proof then pretty much, re the fitting obviously having the flashing option turned on may cause an issue IF big IF your ever caught etc. And if not E marked then the offence is already complete of fitting non approved lights, how they then operate is of no issue or consequence.
same answer as above they are illegal, but who out there is going to stop them or really care?.
Most bobbies on the beat dont spend much time on specific traffic stuff, traffic departments have all be decimated and now nearly allways do dual carriageway/motorway type stuff, plus in a lot of forces traffic are also twin jobbed as firearms officers so if any firearms jobs on then no traffic police at all, everyone else is just too busy doing really important stuff like reporting kids in school for hate crime because they called each other nasty names, or reports of people being called Sir or Madam, Mr or Mrs when they self identify as a gender neutral teapot, in a non binary relationship
Traffic policing seems to have been abandoned to camera detected stuff and nothing else.
How will they make any money……err, I mean…..how will they improve road safety ???
We already know where the fixed and mobile camera sites are used.
Wow, every bicycle I see in low light situations has a very bright front strobe light at least.... So these are illegal ?
And GS riders
Not always. If they are attached to the bike then technically they are illegal, but if they are fastened to your clothing or helmet then there are no regulations to cover that and so are not illegal.
good point failed to mention that, these are vehicle con and use regs, if the lights are fitted to the helmet or jacket of the rider then they don't count for this strictly speaking, but I still refer to the answer above, WHO is actually going to do anything about it? This is a fairly academic discussion, cyclists mainly get ignored in any case. With exception of at the scene of an accident or where one or more lights is not working and its night so obvious the only people I have known to get tickets for light offences are Hot Hatchback, fast and furious types and Trucks with more lights than a rock concert, others may have but it rarer than hens teeth.
sorry add to that those that have committed the offence of "pissing off the police in the execution of their duty" i.e. failing the attitude test in which case any vehicle will be gone through with fine tooth comb and every single little offence or fault ticketed.
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