Scottoiler

[SPG]

I have been looking on Scottoilers site and they say that the touring kit is not suitable for the 1190R. They do sell a KTM specific kit, which is the same as the standard oiler but has orange graffics. The larger reservoir would be far more convenient.

Has anyone fitted the touring kit with the large reservoir that goes behind the licence plate? I can't see why it wouldn't work or am I missing something ?

Thanks in advance Steve

 

[AustinW]

I don't know about the specifics of the KTM but on 3 of my past bikes I just fitted an old tomato sauce bottle on the bike, filled it with chainsaw chain oil and connected it to the breather on the standard Scotoiler reservoir with 6mm tubing.

5,000 mile touring kit for a few pence.

 

[cookie]

presumably you had to add a breather to the tomato sauce bottle?

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Did you get yours set up ok in the end Cookie? I know a couple of people who've got Scottoilers on 1190s and they have problems with where the oil goes (ie all over the back wheel) and, I think, flow rates.

I like the idea of fitting one but have been put off by this.

Andres

 

[AustinW]

presumably you had to add a breather to the tomato sauce bottle?

The 6mm tubing is a loosish fit in the hole (I am talking about the squeezy type of bottle) so doesn't build up a vacuum. I had two scotoilers - one would suck through from reservoir easily, the other required it carefully balancing - not so high it syphoned and over ran the valve in the reservoir and not so low the vacuum couldn't "lift" the oil. But it's a simple and cheap addition. I cable tied the sauce bottle in the corner between the mud guard and the number plate.

 

[cookie]

i've played about with it and have come to the conclusion that the scottoiler has it's flaws, but is probably the best solution.

adjusting the flow rate to the required point is the problem. set it up to the one drop a minute in the garage suggested by scottoiler means that loads more is dispensed when it gets hot (30C i measured) being mounted at the back of the motor. a bit of trial and error while riding will get it right when dry, but it will need turning up when wet. i always forget.

what it does do is keep the chain relatively clean and grit free. i never have to clean it. if the price for that is a bit of oil thrown onto the rear cylinder and shock, i think i'll accept that.

might be different if i were to take it off road, but i have heard of owners just turning up the flow to slosh the chain clean after dirt excursions

 

[SPG]

i've played about with it and have come to the conclusion that the scottoiler has it's flaws, but is probably the best solution.

adjusting the flow rate to the required point is the problem. set it up to the one drop a minute in the garage suggested by scottoiler means that loads more is dispensed when it gets hot (30C i measured) being mounted at the back of the motor. a bit of trial and error while riding will get it right when dry, but it will need turning up when wet. i always forget.

what it does do is keep the chain relatively clean and grit free. i never have to clean it. if the price for that is a bit of oil thrown onto the rear cylinder and shock, i think i'll accept that.

might be different if i were to take it off road, but i have heard of owners just turning up the flow to slosh the chain clean after dirt excursions

Cookie do you thick that if you changed the location of the unit you have less trouble controlling flow rate? The touring kit is designed to be placed behind the number plate which shouldn't be affected by engine heat.

Steve

 

[cookie]

yes. i think if i moved the unit somewhere cooler, it would regulate more consistently. not sure where i'd move it to though. it's in the place suggested by scottoiler specifically for the 1190. it's convenient there too.

i've thought about using the thicker red oil, but i think in the end, just turn it down a bit from the 1 drip per minute cold setting & it's fine when it gets warm. it just means there's a little less oil flowing when starting off. i don't consider that a problem.

what i do need to do, is remember to turn it up a bit in the wet, and work out how much further to turn it?

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Cheers for the info

I think, on balance, I'll give one a miss. Dirt and oil on my shiny[1] new bike??? I'm far to vain for that!

Andres

[1] Actually, at the moment it's very matte, not shiny in all the areas covered in that wax stuff I used as an ACF50 alternative. It seems to be holding up very well so far and I just give the bike a very quick hose down every now and again. You can see where the wax is as the water just runs off. I can't wait to see how easy it is to remove in the spring (not)..................

 

[SPG]

Thanks for the feed back cookie.
I think I will go down the touring kit route as the unit is away from most heat sources. The only issue may be the exhaust gases coming from the can as the unit is on the right hand side of the large oil tank. I may mount it round the other way if it becomes a problem to see if that helps.

Steve

 

[Myke Rocks]

I fitted a Scottoiler to by Suzuki Dr850 (yes!) many years ago. with reservoir behind rear number plate.
Did not help chain life in the slightest. (Circa 6,000 miles)
Did stop the plastic rear number plate rusting, though.
That was the only benefit I could see from it.
Yes, I know about regulation etc, but even severely overdosed, it did not seem to
improve chain life at all.
Myke

 

[cookie]

everyone i've ever spoken to about scottoilers say their chain life has been extended dramatically

 

[Richie N]

might be the chains you used - 6k is crap, i always get 20k out of mine - HD gold DID

i have used the scottoilers for over 15 years, and 150k miles, great, but extremely messy - which does not bother me, because i never wash my bike anyway!

 

[Myke Rocks]

might be the chains you used - 6k is crap, i always get 20k out of mine - HD gold DID

i have used the scottoilers for over 15 years, and 150k miles, great, but extremely messy - which does not bother me, because i never wash my bike anyway!

The best one could buy. HD Gold DID.Suzuki Dr800 has so much torque you feel like the arms are being ripped out of their sockets when you open the throttle. Do in chains at an alarming rate.
Myke

 

[Giles]

Earth to Cookie ... Earth to Cookie ...

How's your scottoiler doing?? I'm sort of toying with the idea, even if it just keeps the chain cleaner.... !

 

[wessie]

If you are feeling flush Scottoil do an electronic version now. A mate has one on his XT660 Tenere and thinks it's a big improvement on the vacuum type. It should be at £175!

 

[cookie]

i um, er, well, haven't actually ridden the bike since before christmas so updates are a bit skimpy.

i'm keeping it for the moment at least and think it's still probably the best option. only issue is, if i run it just enough to keep it oiled in the dry, it's not enough in the wet so i'm going to have to keep an eye on the output rate depending on the conditions.

it's very simple to adjust, it's really remembering that's the drawback for me. maybe just up the rate a bit and live with a bit of fling?

 

[DutchBryn]

Giles, Dunno if you've ever come across these chaps. They lay claim to the dual sided delivery feed.

http://www.loobman.co.uk/about.asp

 

[mikeyboy]

have a look at the tuturo one ,
easy to fit and adjust,or this one
http://www.pdoiler.co.uk/

 

[cookie]

If you are feeling flush Scottoil do an electronic version now. A mate has one on his XT660 Tenere and thinks it's a big improvement on the vacuum type. It should be at £175!

i'm unsure as to the advantage of the electric one? it doesn't dispense while the bike is stationary (no big deal) and there is an adjuster panel on the handlebars.

downsides are - it's getting on there is an adjuster panel on the handlebars.