Cole
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Does anyone use any other forms of security other than the option extra BMW immobiliser and alarm?
If so, what?
Do GSs get stolen a lot?
If so, what?
Do GSs get stolen a lot?
Security - Is the BMW immobiliser enough?
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riderbob
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I always use the Oxford lock, sometimes with the heavy duty chain. I commute into London so at least they have to either cut it off or lift the beast to nick it. It's an extra deterrent for the amateur, but the professional will nick it no matter what you do.
finglonga
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I use a Oxford U lock as well as the Datatool alarm. it not that there is much theft around here but you can never be too carefull. 
Colebatch said:
yes..
Colebatch said:
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All depends on whether you live in the leafy suburbs or chav city and whether you work / park in the dodgy areas or inside a secure site. I've never (touch wood) been burgled or had anything of any value stolen. But I'm lucky to live in the sort of area where this doesnt happen much at all, so I never bothered with extra security
I still lost my bike - thanks to some dopey young woman in a 3 door hatch.
I still lost my bike - thanks to some dopey young woman in a 3 door hatch.
Ashes
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I use a Zena alarmed disk lock. When the bike it at home I have guard dogs..2 mini Daschunds..
Alan1963
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I always use a decent Squire chain and lock to a ground anchor at home and a decent disc lot when I'm out. You can't be too careful with some of the lowlife around.
Phil Clarke
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Chains are the hardest to defeat for most bike thieves (ie neds) as they need a good set of bolt cutters (if your using an abus granite or similar) which are hard to get and harder to conceal. Rigid U locks and disk locks are susceptible to freeze spray and even a good hacksaw - easily obtained and concealed - as they are easier to hold rigidly as you cut through them. Get the biggest FO chain you can afford with a good quality padlock and always try to lock it to something. Most disk locks are a waste of space - the steering lock is as good for low risk situations (like nipping into the shop for less than a minute) and neither are good for high risk situations.
As far as I know neds are less interested in GS's than say, a KTM enduro bike - but they may just take one for the novelty factor.
Prof thieves will go for them as they are popular enough to support a thriving 2nd hand spares market - tho not as bad as sports bikes I would think.
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Phil
As far as I know neds are less interested in GS's than say, a KTM enduro bike - but they may just take one for the novelty factor.
Prof thieves will go for them as they are popular enough to support a thriving 2nd hand spares market - tho not as bad as sports bikes I would think.
Info gained from friends working in a youth project
Phil
bmwboy
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i commute to london everyday.. just carry long heavy chain and heavy lock in tail bag secured on rack of bike. using this lock secured to something fixed, make sure lock not lying slack on the floor.. make it hard for any scum...! i believe an alarm is noy worth the hassle they cause.. also for me an alarm gains 10% discount on insurance.. so what with price of alarm.. plus price of installing.. would take 10 years of insurance premiums to recover costs..!! really not worth the hassle....
Cole
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You've convinced me ... a disc lock has arrived. I am struggling with the chain concept. Celebrating BMW shaving 30 kgs off the bike and then carrying around a 15 kg chain - high up on the bike where it most detracts from handling - confuses my logic somewhat.
On the bright side, my lust for data and statistics seems to show up the BMWs are very theft unfriendly ... and this is data before the new immobilisers and key recognition stuff came out.
According to the home office bike theft data that came out last year, the probablity of a bike being stoken in the UK is 3.7% chance in 2003 (down from 3.9% in 2001). All of the large BMWs less than 10 years old had a probability of below 1%. Unfortunately as the results were "banded" there is no more accurate data than that. Just "below 10 in a 1000".
So I found some Australian bike theft data. The probability of any of the big 4 Japanese brands being nicked was around 2% in 2001. The probability of a BMW being stolen was less that 0.2%.
Sods law is that having posted this, I will probably go home tonight to find the bike gone.
On the bright side, my lust for data and statistics seems to show up the BMWs are very theft unfriendly ... and this is data before the new immobilisers and key recognition stuff came out.
According to the home office bike theft data that came out last year, the probablity of a bike being stoken in the UK is 3.7% chance in 2003 (down from 3.9% in 2001). All of the large BMWs less than 10 years old had a probability of below 1%. Unfortunately as the results were "banded" there is no more accurate data than that. Just "below 10 in a 1000".
So I found some Australian bike theft data. The probability of any of the big 4 Japanese brands being nicked was around 2% in 2001. The probability of a BMW being stolen was less that 0.2%.
Sods law is that having posted this, I will probably go home tonight to find the bike gone.
Remember that if its hassle for you to fit security, its hassle for someone else to try and remove it, especially without the keys. Thats why they'll probably go and find something easeir to steal. Crooks are mostly lazy opportunist scum, if they weren't they would be in a proper job earning a living like the rest of us.
For me its the BMW Alarm/Immobiliser, Oxford "Omega" (Thatcham Gold approved) Disklock and Oxford "Monster" chain & padlock.
Yes its a bit more hassle and if they really want it they'll find a way of taking it and arrive tooled up for it, but I ain't gonna make it easy for them.
For me its the BMW Alarm/Immobiliser, Oxford "Omega" (Thatcham Gold approved) Disklock and Oxford "Monster" chain & padlock.
Yes its a bit more hassle and if they really want it they'll find a way of taking it and arrive tooled up for it, but I ain't gonna make it easy for them.
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Zena disk lot, Oxford chain and a Tracker. 99% recovery they say.
my 1150 was stolen from a street in central London earlier this year. 5 years old with 60k on the clock i think they were after the ohlins/ remus/ TT bits. i would be extra careful if you have lots of accessories.
I now carry an Abus U-lock under the seat for short stops and have a (very) heavy weight chain + lock wrapped around a railing where i park at work.
I now carry an Abus U-lock under the seat for short stops and have a (very) heavy weight chain + lock wrapped around a railing where i park at work.
Phil Clarke
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Chains more like 2kg methinks plus given that having my girlfirend and a massive amount of luggage on the back doesn't upset the handling to any great degree having a toty wee lock on the back is gonna make zero difference. A good argument for your mans anchor chain idea!
carsqhere
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Colebatch said:
My bikes are anchored to the concrete with one of these;
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
Using similar at each end of the commute basically. Plus I've a "light" chain I use with an Abus Granit disk lock for ad-hoc parking in shittsville as required, with a second disk lock for that added bit of deterrent when needed.
Not cheap, but when your insurance is the equivalent of about STG£1,000 it all makes sense.
CQH
[Edit: I forgot to mention the off-street parking, electric gates, CCTV & matey's large 4x4 which blocks the bike in its daily space. No, really.]
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