Activmoto said:
The problem has nothing to do with ABS - it's the servo
FFS
Servo brakes....... yet again 4/9/05
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The problem has nothing to do with ABS - it's the servo
FFS
nemezis
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The interrogation of witnesses by the German police in the case "BMW Motorrad" is still going on. Today an editor of a German motorbike magazine was asked to be present at the police HQ for testimony. Well, he won't be the last that they ask. 
Furthermore today in Germany there started ambitions of several track related organisations to discuss banning BMW Motorbikes with Integrated Brakes from the track at least (if not in general) in "competition conditions" (US Manual: "weather conditions").
This would be a great step forward in safety for the other riders. An I really think banning these brakes from public roads will be possible in the future.
nemezis
Furthermore today in Germany there started ambitions of several track related organisations to discuss banning BMW Motorbikes with Integrated Brakes from the track at least (if not in general) in "competition conditions" (US Manual: "weather conditions").
This would be a great step forward in safety for the other riders. An I really think banning these brakes from public roads will be possible in the future.
nemezis
Le singe
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Interrogation,witnesses,German police,won't be the last.....you're not related to a certain Mr Hilter are you?
nemezis
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Le singe said:
Well, actually it's quiete normal in a constitutional state (Germany) what I reported. The Federal German Prosector is investigating against three managers of BMW Motorrad an two Managers of the brake manufacturer for endangering road traffic. Did you forget that? There was a time the investigated for fraud, but they dropped that.
The prosecutor gathers reports from witnesses by interrogation of the police. Well, and today they asked an editor of a famous German motorbike magazine. All I said was: This will not be the last they asked. We have more than one famous motorbike magagzine. You see?
According to your "Mr. Hitler" reference I think you are wrong since I cannot see any intelligence with this character. But I may be related to NEMESIS.
nemezis
just make sure your papers are in order
nemezis
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Did anybody of you get the supplement to the Riders's Manual in the UK yet?
I have read the US supplement. And I see there is need to reprint page 4 and to deliver this new page again to the owners. In case they did the same to the UK and Australia, they will have to reprint page 4 there, too. It's embarrassing for BMW to see this fault now recognized by the public:
In Germany it's about 'extreme competition conditions', in the US it's about 'extreme weather conditions'.
The lawyers will definitly see the difference and the need to reprint the page 4 in the manual.
There are negotiations in Germany to ban Integrated Brakes from the track, at least under competition conditions. And then there might easily come the time to ban these Integrated Brakes form the street ....
nemezis
I have read the US supplement. And I see there is need to reprint page 4 and to deliver this new page again to the owners. In case they did the same to the UK and Australia, they will have to reprint page 4 there, too. It's embarrassing for BMW to see this fault now recognized by the public:
In Germany it's about 'extreme competition conditions', in the US it's about 'extreme weather conditions'.
The lawyers will definitly see the difference and the need to reprint the page 4 in the manual.
There are negotiations in Germany to ban Integrated Brakes from the track, at least under competition conditions. And then there might easily come the time to ban these Integrated Brakes form the street ....
nemezis
Le singe
Guest
I'm horrified that Dr ABS/Nemezis could think that a banning of the Integrated Braking Systems for road use should be thought of as a positive move.
Imagine having to visit your dealer under a re-call only to have your entire braking system removed from your bike, surely having no brakes at all would be even more dangerous?
Imagine having to visit your dealer under a re-call only to have your entire braking system removed from your bike, surely having no brakes at all would be even more dangerous?
Phil Thomas
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As I understand it Helmut Dahne, who at the age of sixty two is still the official lap record holder for the Nurrburgring, crashed a K1200S a little while ago, as a result of Servo Failure. Apparently the problem arises after about five or so quick application of the brakes, which then fail to recharge. The result was that he crashed at the Ring at high speed.
The BMW corporate response was that it was "Rider Error"!!!
I don't think so - it was Helmut Dahne.
It would also appear that a number of road riders have also experienced this problem.
Regards to all,
The BMW corporate response was that it was "Rider Error"!!!
I don't think so - it was Helmut Dahne.
It would also appear that a number of road riders have also experienced this problem.
Regards to all,
Phil Thomas said:
i know someone who had the same problem while riding through London -
Lots of use of the brakes in a short space of time/distance and they failed .
It happened more than once. He gave the bike back and took another BM ( no servo brakes) in P/X
nemezis
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Wizard said:
Both!
There are a lot of reasons that the ABS and/or the servos can fail.
nemezis
Gonzo
Registered user
Anyone here with said brakes and trackday experience care to comment?
nemezis
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@Phil Thomas
Where did you get this information?
As I said the German Federal Prosecutor is investigating and the police interrogates witnesses. This man could be a very useful witness.
nemezis
Phil Thomas said:
Where did you get this information?
As I said the German Federal Prosecutor is investigating and the police interrogates witnesses. This man could be a very useful witness.
nemezis
nemezis
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There have been questions about what causes the ABS or the servos to fail.
A German driving instrutor organisation asked BMW Motorrad about this, and all I can do is presenting you the original statement of BMW Motorrrad from 08/10/2005 here (German language): BMW Motorrad Integral-ABS (application/pdf 84.4 KB)
A German driving instrutor organisation asked BMW Motorrad about this, and all I can do is presenting you the original statement of BMW Motorrrad from 08/10/2005 here (German language): BMW Motorrad Integral-ABS (application/pdf 84.4 KB)
BBB61
Registered user
Ah, the beauty of the ignore function. I don't have to see Nemizis/Dr ABS Brake/whatever his name will be next week obsessive rantings on the subject of the servo/ABS system
Bob
Bob
nemezis said:
Hmmm. Here's a thing. I'm an engineer. When users of our equipment make a complaint it's either "It's not doing xyz" or "It doesn't work". The latter usually translates into "I don't like this gear and I've got an axe to grind"
Bob..... good call matey, ignore list it is!
nemezis
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@wizard
This is no joke: There are a lot of reasons the ABS or the servos fail.
As I said before a German driving instrutor organisation asked BMW Motorrad about this, and all I can do is presenting you the original statement of BMW Motorrrad from 08/10/2005 here (German language): BMW Motorrad Integral-ABS (application/pdf 84.4 KB)
Please ask BMW UK for an official translation. You will find several resons in this paper as I said before.
nemezis
This is no joke: There are a lot of reasons the ABS or the servos fail.
As I said before a German driving instrutor organisation asked BMW Motorrad about this, and all I can do is presenting you the original statement of BMW Motorrrad from 08/10/2005 here (German language): BMW Motorrad Integral-ABS (application/pdf 84.4 KB)
Please ask BMW UK for an official translation. You will find several resons in this paper as I said before.
nemezis
BBB61
Registered user
Nemizis,
Go and see a shrink!! You need help. The only thing that you have posted on UKGSer is about the servo brakes. Nothing else. Go and see a shrink and get yourself sorted. You are not a well man.
Bob
Go and see a shrink!! You need help. The only thing that you have posted on UKGSer is about the servo brakes. Nothing else. Go and see a shrink and get yourself sorted. You are not a well man.
Bob
Mouse
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I thought you had him on ignore.
Ignore him if you like, but I don't see why this sort of thread always has to descend into personal insults.
The suggestion that their precious BMWs might not be the best bikes ever seems to get some people a bit riled up. Are you going to suggest Steptoe needs medical help too, seeing as he agrees that servo brakes can fail in the manner described?
Ignore him if you like, but I don't see why this sort of thread always has to descend into personal insults.
The suggestion that their precious BMWs might not be the best bikes ever seems to get some people a bit riled up. Are you going to suggest Steptoe needs medical help too, seeing as he agrees that servo brakes can fail in the manner described?
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