Should I S10 or not :jibber

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I've owned my 1150GS for almost 10 years and over 90,000 miles, it's a trusted comfortable old friend, cheap as chips to run as well. But I have a hankering for something different. I've ridden all of the 12GS models up to the twin cam and a brief run on a 12WC. I wasn't impressed with the feel of the early 12's, much preferred the 1150 and the clutch/gearchange/neutral on the WC was horrible, streets worse than the 1150 and just not acceptable. I've also monitored the various reliability issues of the 12's and don't feel that it is likely that the WC will be a big leap back to the days of quality construction.

I want shaft drive which kind of limits my options and I want longish travel suspension around 7", and some dirt road ability. Oooh, look, the S10 seems to tick most of the boxes, the big downside seems to be the weight.

So today I prepare to go for a test ride, the Yammie shop says "just go ride for two to three hours", a bit like a BMW test ride then. I can do that. But first I won't buy a bike that I can't pick up so please mister dealer can you lay it on its side so that I can try and lift it? No problem sir, more people should consider that. Turns out it's no harder to lift than the 1150 so that's OK.

It's full of fuel so off I go. Feels very easy to balance and very agile at low speed weaving through the Glasgow traffic. The fueling is very on/off compared with my bike but that may just be because there is 25bhp more on tap than a mint 1150. Out into the country, through Torrance, over the Campsie hills on the B822, a rotten boring road, you don't ever want to ride it, no sir, never, no way. Across to the A81, down to Strathblane, west and up the A809 to Drymen and then north on bumpy single track road to Aberfoyle. Another dreary bit of road called the Dukes Pass and then the main road west to Stirling and back down the M9 to Glasgow.

An annoying yellow tell-tale on the dash turns out to be the traction control repeatedly kicking in over little jumps and gravelly patches on the single track:augie

The engine pulls nicely and will trickle along at tickover with the clutch fully home in traffic. Seems to pull smoothly from around 2,000 rpm in any gear. The T (softer) mode makes hairpin bends on and off the power easier to deal with but apart from that and city traffic "S" is the mode. The bike had only done 130 miles when I collected it and I doubled that. Out of respect for a new and tight motor I kept below 5,000 revs except for brief spurts overtaking. This bike has Martini power, any time, any place, any revs.:thumb2

The gearbox is superb, neutral is a first time every time event in stark contrast to the latest effort from BuMW. The only thing to make me cringe is the clunk into first from neutral, again not as bad as the Bogger. First is lower than the 1150, 6th is about the same as the overdrive on my 1150 but the torque of the Yammie means it's not just an overdrive on the S10, about 20mph per 1,000 revs. Good for big trips.

Suspension felt firm and a bit knobbly, however I'm used to custom spec'ed Wilburs. I don't know how it was set but as I've shrivelled down to a mere 89Kgs it may have been a tad too hard for my sylph-like form. Much less dive from the tele forks than expected. Very little shaft jacking on power as well so do we all need the complexity of paralever back ends?

Out on the motorway the bike gets to 70 + very easily, effortlessly. The screen is very good, I dont think that I'd need to make any mods to it at all, streets better than the 1150 even with Tobinators. This is a much faster bike than the 1150 and the 100mph I managed on a private estate was tourer smooth, comfortable and free of buffeting. Obviously it was only a very short spell but I think that it would cruise at a 100mph with ease. The 1150 certainly doesn't.

Back at the dealership it turns out that the laying down of bike onto a pad of cardboard bent the wee tang for the side stand and that meant that my foot was resting on it all the time. A non-standard aggravation:toungincheek. It's not needed anyway as the side stand foot is easy to access. The tyres still had chicken strips but not much, very nearly to the side wall on the rear EXP, nothing touched the ground apart from the tyres:).

This is certainly no sports bike, this is good as I don't want one of those. It tracks brilliantly around corners and deliberate changes of line mid corner were completely drama free. It felt as though it needed a fair bit of effort to push it fast into corners, more than my own bike.

This may well be my next, possibly my last, big dual sportish bike. £800 off list and three years interst free credit means that I can buy the bike and still try and find a useful investment for the cash I don't need to spend. Well, it would be churlish not to accept such a kind offer:D Of course there are adverts on the 'net for new bikes under £11,000. Maybe it's on run-out, a bit like the 1150 was when I bought that. Do I see a trend here?
 
I was in a similar position last year. I went from a 2000 W reg 1150GS to a year old S10 with just 900 miles on it. The bike has 12500 miles now and I've done three >2000 mile trips to the Continent and loads of weekend rides in Wales &the Cotswolds.

The S10 may not be loved by journalists but if you are coming from a bike designed in the late 1990s then it is big leap in technology.

Your test ride mirrors my experience. I find the screen very good as my point of reference was the 1150GS. I find the performance adequate for my needs - just ask the other riders on the recent trip to Annecy about the S10's pace when I was in hooligan mood.

I've found the bike to be reasonably comfortable. I have just acquired a seat modified by Tony Archer and this was more supportive than the original on a 200 mile lap of the Cotswolds. Time will tell if it extends my bum's range to the 200 miles available in the tank!

See the other post in this section about a bike coming onto the market soon. Dealer discounts on new bikes have hit residuals so you might get a bargain.
 
I was in a similar position last year. I went from a 2000 W reg 1150GS to a year old S10 with just 900 miles on it. The bike has 12500 miles now and I've done three >2000 mile trips to the Continent and loads of weekend rides in Wales &the Cotswolds.

The S10 may not be loved by journalists but if you are coming from a bike designed in the late 1990s then it is big leap in technology.

Your test ride mirrors my experience. I find the screen very good as my point of reference was the 1150GS. I find the performance adequate for my needs - just ask the other riders on the recent trip to Annecy about the S10's pace when I was in hooligan mood.

I've found the bike to be reasonably comfortable. I have just acquired a seat modified by Tony Archer and this was more supportive than the original on a 200 mile lap of the Cotswolds. Time will tell if it extends my bum's range to the 200 miles available in the tank!

See the other post in this section about a bike coming onto the market soon. Dealer discounts on new bikes have hit residuals so you might get a bargain.

Thanks Wessie, I'd seen the ad' but really would prefer to buy new. I know the bike from day one and as I don't intend to change on a regular basis the depreciation is acceptable. The 1150 cost well over £9k in '03 so the worst the depreciation could be is £930 per year. Ten years on and I'm facing an equivalent figure of £1100p.a. for the S10
 
I've owned my 1150GS for almost 10 years and over 90,000 miles, it's a trusted comfortable old friend, cheap as chips to run as well. But I have a hankering for something different. I've ridden all of the 12GS models up to the twin cam and a brief run on a 12WC. I wasn't impressed with the feel of the early 12's, much preferred the 1150 and the clutch/gearchange/neutral on the WC was horrible, streets worse than the 1150 and just not acceptable. I've also monitored the various reliability issues of the 12's and don't feel that it is likely that the WC will be a big leap back to the days of quality construction.

I want shaft drive which kind of limits my options and I want longish travel suspension around 7", and some dirt road ability. Oooh, look, the S10 seems to tick most of the boxes, the big downside seems to be the weight.

So today I prepare to go for a test ride, the Yammie shop says "just go ride for two to three hours", a bit like a BMW test ride then. I can do that. But first I won't buy a bike that I can't pick up so please mister dealer can you lay it on its side so that I can try and lift it? No problem sir, more people should consider that. Turns out it's no harder to lift than the 1150 so that's OK.

It's full of fuel so off I go. Feels very easy to balance and very agile at low speed weaving through the Glasgow traffic. The fueling is very on/off compared with my bike but that may just be because there is 25bhp more on tap than a mint 1150. Out into the country, through Torrance, over the Campsie hills on the B822, a rotten boring road, you don't ever want to ride it, no sir, never, no way. Across to the A81, down to Strathblane, west and up the A809 to Drymen and then north on bumpy single track road to Aberfoyle. Another dreary bit of road called the Dukes Pass and then the main road west to Stirling and back down the M9 to Glasgow.

An annoying yellow tell-tale on the dash turns out to be the traction control repeatedly kicking in over little jumps and gravelly patches on the single track:augie

The engine pulls nicely and will trickle along at tickover with the clutch fully home in traffic. Seems to pull smoothly from around 2,000 rpm in any gear. The T (softer) mode makes hairpin bends on and off the power easier to deal with but apart from that and city traffic "S" is the mode. The bike had only done 130 miles when I collected it and I doubled that. Out of respect for a new and tight motor I kept below 5,000 revs except for brief spurts overtaking. This bike has Martini power, any time, any place, any revs.:thumb2

The gearbox is superb, neutral is a first time every time event in stark contrast to the latest effort from BuMW. The only thing to make me cringe is the clunk into first from neutral, again not as bad as the Bogger. First is lower than the 1150, 6th is about the same as the overdrive on my 1150 but the torque of the Yammie means it's not just an overdrive on the S10, about 20mph per 1,000 revs. Good for big trips.

Suspension felt firm and a bit knobbly, however I'm used to custom spec'ed Wilburs. I don't know how it was set but as I've shrivelled down to a mere 89Kgs it may have been a tad too hard for my sylph-like form. Much less dive from the tele forks than expected. Very little shaft jacking on power as well so do we all need the complexity of paralever back ends?

Out on the motorway the bike gets to 70 + very easily, effortlessly. The screen is very good, I dont think that I'd need to make any mods to it at all, streets better than the 1150 even with Tobinators. This is a much faster bike than the 1150 and the 100mph I managed on a private estate was tourer smooth, comfortable and free of buffeting. Obviously it was only a very short spell but I think that it would cruise at a 100mph with ease. The 1150 certainly doesn't.

Back at the dealership it turns out that the laying down of bike onto a pad of cardboard bent the wee tang for the side stand and that meant that my foot was resting on it all the time. A non-standard aggravation:toungincheek. It's not needed anyway as the side stand foot is easy to access. The tyres still had chicken strips but not much, very nearly to the side wall on the rear EXP, nothing touched the ground apart from the tyres:).

This is certainly no sports bike, this is good as I don't want one of those. It tracks brilliantly around corners and deliberate changes of line mid corner were completely drama free. It felt as though it needed a fair bit of effort to push it fast into corners, more than my own bike.

This may well be my next, possibly my last, big dual sportish bike. £800 off list and three years interst free credit means that I can buy the bike and still try and find a useful investment for the cash I don't need to spend. Well, it would be churlish not to accept such a kind offer:D Of course there are adverts on the 'net for new bikes under £11,000. Maybe it's on run-out, a bit like the 1150 was when I bought that. Do I see a trend here?

I recently bought one - only done 1500miles on it, but love it. Great quality and does most things well.
 
I think the 1150 was the target Yamaha set out to beat, it is now "left behind" by the latest superbikes on stilts (KTM / Ducati) and the new GS is really a sports-tourer in adventure clothing.

I was surprised how light the Yamaha feels, I parked my old 1200GS next to the demo bike and it looked / felt smaller, and once moving felt lighter.


I have a Wilburs on my S10 and it makes a good bit of difference, especially two up (the Yam shock is a shade soft - very compliant solo, but two up even with max pre-load it is well squashed and ground clearance limited)

Had my forks fettled too, feedback is better, dive reduced and it rides bumps far better - a common mod in the S10 world is different springs (most go for linear springs to replace the Yamaha dual rate jobbies) well worth a couple of hundred quid for a "keeper"

Over 3 years since launch and there seems no real weakness, the odd FD seal and a few headlight harness problems, but no major failures, and most minor failures have been isolated incidents.

Yamaha seemed to go for building a solid ADV bike when every other manufacturer decided to join the power race, I can honestly say I don't want 150BHP or electronic suspension - although cruise control would be nice.

This could be the last ever bike that is built like a tank, buy one while stocks last :thumb2
 
I had an R1150 GS Adv and loved it. However, it always felt a bit out of breath when I carried a pillion. Also Servo assisted brakes, single sided swinging arm and a clutch
located in the most inaccesible spot always struck me as less than ideal. The S10 by
contrast doesn't seem to notice a pillion, double sided swing arm and conventional
clutch, so ticked a lot of boxes. 4 months and 5k+ miles later I am happy.
 
Thanks Wessie, I'd seen the ad' but really would prefer to buy new. I know the bike from day one and as I don't intend to change on a regular basis the depreciation is acceptable. The 1150 cost well over £9k in '03 so the worst the depreciation could be is £930 per year. Ten years on and I'm facing an equivalent figure of £1100p.a. for the S10

Just as an aside, my bike (the one mentioned) has around 10k miles on the clock and is pretty much as new. I know what you mean about wanting one from new (as that is what I tend to do) but they seem to be a pretty safe used buy. Incidentally I have the ECUnleashed reflash on my S10 and, as others can testify, this really livens things up in S mode. :)

I am not trying to sell you mine as I am not 100% sure when it will be for sale yet, but probably after taking a peek at the options at the bike show and weighing up whether I can be bothered to sell privately or just trade in. The only reason I am moving on is just that I love to ride different bikes and tend to have a swap every now and then.

Matt :thumb
 
Very little shaft jacking on power as well so do we all need the complexity of paralever back ends?

I guess if you design something properly then there is no need for an over complex and heavy solution. :rolleyes:
 
The only reason I am moving on is just that I love to ride different bikes and tend to have a swap every now and then.

I think that is why I have sold so many great bikes while they were in fantastic condition, my other problem is I tend to mod them to the point of perfection and then let someone else benefit from all the expense :blast

My latest theory is to not trade in, just hang on until I can afford another one, the problem is that means a new bike every ten years instead of every two, luckily the older I get the less I feel then need for the "latest and greatest" but must admit I often fancy a change.

I thought of just taking lots of test rides, but seeing as I have bought almost every bike I ever tested that won't work either.
 
Good read there Packer.

I aint owned a GS but test rode a 1200 triple blk before I bought the S10 last yr. I went with the YAM, made more sense to me and less cons too.

Re the S10, it is a great bike. Weight isnt really there when you're on the go. I was out over the weekend and lofting the front wheel over uphill crests while on the trottle at 80+

My only real gripe with the bike is the back shock and some oxidation on some of the bolts. I really was pushing the bike well beyond the rear shocks limits. Feel / Grip isnt an issue, the front is planted but the rear hops around a bit in twisty / hilly sections. Quite a compliant chassis and handles superb with lively riding ( not ragging it to bits quite ).

You'll enjoy it.

Wear well :thumby:
 


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