Should I sell my 1200 and get an 8?

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Since April I've racked up 12000m on my 04 1200GS, I commute everyday 40m round trip. I ride quick on the road 80-100 when on the autobahn officer, plus 3 tours in Europe and off road work with the guys from the ABR forum.
The 12 averages about 45-50mpg and been fairly reliable. I have fitted it with lots of extras, mainly off road protection and performance parts, but I feel the need for more off roading, but will I miss the 100+bhp and torque of the 12? I havent ridden a parallel twin since the 80's:rob Will the 8 give me the road performance I need? I know you'll probably say "take a test ride" but I bought the 12 without ever riding a BMW in my life!
Yours indecisive.
 
The F8 may not give the performance you 'want' but it'll certainly give what you need!

Point to point the 12 won't even look at it. :augie
 
Since April I've racked up 12000m on my 04 1200GS, I commute everyday 40m round trip. I ride quick on the road 80-100 when on the autobahn officer, plus 3 tours in Europe and off road work with the guys from the ABR forum.
The 12 averages about 45-50mpg and been fairly reliable. I have fitted it with lots of extras, mainly off road protection and performance parts, but I feel the need for more off roading, but will I miss the 100+bhp and torque of the 12? I havent ridden a parallel twin since the 80's:rob Will the 8 give me the road performance I need? I know you'll probably say "take a test ride" but I bought the 12 without ever riding a BMW in my life!
Yours indecisive.

How much off-roading have you done on the 12? I ask as I wonder what makes you think you'll do more if you have an 8...
 
My 1200 went in for a 4-day diagnostic period...... I was given a F800 with only 89km on the clock to ride for the 4 days. I rode it the first day and the day I returned it to collect my bike. Could not wait and get the exchange done soon enough....
Tried to swap with my mate for an hour or so - he pulled over after about 4km and told me to give his GSA back!

Maybe just us - maybe spoilt..... just could not get on with the 8 at all......... :confused:

my advice would be to try the bike for a couple of days before making the decision....
 
Without a doubt ... go for it :thumb

Better off road performance and certainly just as good on road performance :thumb

Don't even think about comparing the F8 with a twin of the 80's and at the end of a good day in the saddle you'll be putting £5 to £7 less petrol in than the 12's ;)

Over 60,000 miles on mine now .... fantabidozy :thumb

:beerjug:
 
Keep it !

The mileage you mention is deserved of a 1200 and imho you would miss the effortlessness of the 12's engine. If it doesnt stand you anything in finance and you really feel the need to go "off roading" why not opt for a 650 Dakar / 660 Tenere type machine as an addition to the stable that can be brought out to play on the green lanes etc on Sundays
 
I had thought about two bikes, but with a wife and two young children I consider myself blessed having one bike, Mav I've only discovered the dirt this year after over 30years of riding and really enjoying it, and my license doesn't get such a pounding. Maybe I'm just paranoid about the dreaded 1200 reliability issues catching me up as I rack up the miles :confused:
 
I had thought about two bikes, but with a wife and two young children I consider myself blessed having one bike, Mav I've only discovered the dirt this year after over 30years of riding and really enjoying it, and my license doesn't get such a pounding. Maybe I'm just paranoid about the dreaded 1200 reliability issues catching me up as I rack up the miles :confused:

My 12 GSA has very nearly 60k miles on it - has done 4000 miles in a week without skipping a beat, as well as a bunch off-roading, including 2up off-road.

So don't be afraid of using your 12 for what it is was designed to do :thumb
 
My 12 GSA has very nearly 60k miles on it - has done 4000 miles in a week without skipping a beat, as well as a bunch off-roading, including 2up off-road.

So don't be afraid of using your 12 for what it is was designed to do :thumb

Thank you (still a paranoid old fart tho) :rob
 
The 12 averages about 45-50mpg and been fairly reliable. I have fitted it with lots of extras, mainly off road protection and performance parts, but I feel the need for more off roading, but will I miss the 100+bhp and torque of the 12? I havent ridden a parallel twin since the 80's:rob Will the 8 give me the road performance I need? Yours indecisive.

I regularly ride with a mate who's on his 2nd 1200. Performance wise, there is nothing between his 1200 and my 800 (and we do get a move on), it's just that the 1200 does it all a bit easier. Personally, I don't really want my riding to be that easy, I like to work at it. I'm not quite ready for the pipe and slippers yet!

The 800 is great fun when you work it. The 800 is an all together sportier package. Livelier handling, with a really perky engine. The 800 with its counter balance conrod is surpisingly smooth for a twin.

If you're managing 45-50mpg, then the 800 will give you all the road performance you need, plus you'll probably be getting 60+mpg. Off-road, the lighter 800 should be much better.
 
Having had an 1150GSA and now an 800, I would say that it is such a subjective choice (and not all practical) as to why you might want one or t'other.

Here's my comparisons with my bikes. I know you have a 12 so it will be different but whatever ! :D

If you travel in a group on road and far away, then a 12 will do the high road mileages if not quicker, then perhaps a little more comfortably. If you travel alone and want to pick the small tracks and high passes or generally off road, the the 800 is a better option as it's lighter, more manageable and sprightly. I avoided places I really wanted to go because I knew if i dropped the bike or things got very narrow, I would be stuffed on my own.

The 800 returns 60 mpg or better (the recent protest rally at 40mph I was getting over 110mpg!). So with my huge old 33 l tank I was getting 250 miles range on average. My 800 gives me 240 on a tank full. Both at the same sorts of speeds. The 800 for a lot less weight and a lot more fun.

I'm not saying that everyone thinks the same as there are undoubtedly some riders (taller and way better than I) who could get the same out of their 12's as I do out of my 800 (or better) in terms of fun and performance.

There are other riders who chose the 12's because they're fat barstewards who need a bike to minimise their colossal size :augie There are others who just want to look all 'Adventurous' to the wider public and chose a bike most who have watched TV will recognise. Others want a bike that is smoothe and effortless to ride. The F800 isn't effortless but why ride a shire horse when you can ride a jumper ? Some here are size queens and so more cc's is to them is, well, more/better :D

Touring is where the 12 might be better . IF you want to carry a heavy load and cruise at 100 all day. But then many bikes will do that well. I'm happy that I can carry two-up when i want to. And my wife insists that that is often ! But I tour alone and even though camping, travel very light compared to many on here. I'm also not someone who feels the need to go at 100+ all the time. I pick lesser travelled roads and am happy at 50-75mph. The bigger bikes really do need that speed to make them travel smoothly. The 800 doesn't.

Whislt there are a few stereotypes on here, it is evident that we are all very different and seek a different mix of what we want from motorcycling and so everyone's advice comes with their own, particualr slant.

This is a decision you need to make on your own. Perhaps remove your bling, sell your 12 and try and 800 for 6 months. You can always get another 12 if you don't like the 800. Guaranteed the 800 will not be that bad you won't want to ride it even if you decide it's not for you. Money-wise you won't lose much - if anything - if you stick with used bikes. Non of these things are irreversible.

Think about what YOU want from the bike. If you tour for two weeks of the year then perhaps the 800 will be better for the other 96% of your riding. Maybe it's all about the 'look' and image you want to project about yourself ....... they are still valid reasons for chosing a bike if not particularly practical ones !

I'm a fan of the 800 myself but I wouldn't use my reasons for liking it to dictate why you should get one. I can only explain why I chose it.

Good luck.:thumb2

Dave
 
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That's an excellent write up and captures why I have my GSA - for long commuting days where I could with the bike not being tiring, and for 2 up, loaded, distance touring.

If I wasn't occasionally doing 300 mile work days, or overloaded 2up touring I'd be seriously tempted by an 8 :thumb
 
I'm a fan of the 800 myself but I wouldn't use my reasons for liking it to dictate why you should get one. I can only explain why I chose it.

Good luck.:thumb2

Dave

Well said Dave .... just about bang on :thumb

:beerjug:
 
If you want a lighter bike, which is as quick in the real world whilst being a lot more frugal choose the 800. More fun through traffic, much more fun on trails and dirt tracks.

Switch the seat for something better (Touratech/Sergeant/BMW Comfort/ whatever) and it's all day comfy.

So many people blether on about tank range, but honestly, when were you more than 250 miles from a fuel station? And when an extra gallon strapped on will extend that range to over 300 miles, the tank range argument is a silly one.

If you really want to do 100mph two up touring, then in my opinion anything with a GS sticker is the wrong bike, so buy a GT / LT / GTL (if you have deep enough pockets!)

The ONLY place a 1200GS betters the 800GS is in weather protection. But since most of us are in Goretex these days, and heated grips / jackets are pretty cheap, even that doesn't really make up for being a heavier, thirstier, more agricultural truck of a thing.

In my opinion anyway! :thumb
 
Thanks for the replies guys, some really good remarks. I hardly ever ride two up, probably only done 50 miles two up in the last ten years. I would like to be more adventurous on my tours in europe by taking on some trails but to be honest all my euro riding has been on tarmac. I tend to pigeon hole myself into the old skool catergory, (900ss and Jotas on my bedroom wall) where bigger is better(but I'm not a fat bastid) I reckon I average 20000m a year and only about a 1000 off road.
I suppose the question is "is the 800 that much better off road than the 12 for the amount I do"
But heres a thing, if I do change it would save me between £800-£1000 on fuel a year :beerjug:
 
Thanks for the replies guys, some really good remarks. I hardly ever ride two up, probably only done 50 miles two up in the last ten years. I would like to be more adventurous on my tours in europe by taking on some trails but to be honest all my euro riding has been on tarmac. I tend to pigeon hole myself into the old skool catergory, (900ss and Jotas on my bedroom wall) where bigger is better(but I'm not a fat bastid) I reckon I average 20000m a year and only about a 1000 off road.
I suppose the question is "is the 800 that much better off road than the 12 for the amount I do"
But heres a thing, if I do change it would save me between £800-£1000 on fuel a year :beerjug:

It's not why I bought my F800GS ... to be honest the 1200GS-A was getting too big for me :rob

But a days riding on the continent with mates on their 1200's, we stay together, ride together, overtake together and their bikes don't do anything my F800 can't do ... but at the end of the days riding, 160 - 180 miles, I'll probably put anything from 8 to 10 euro's less in the tank :thumb

:beerjug:
 

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