Slow Control course

Lord Snooty

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We ran a slow control course on Tuesday, we had four students and one of them was on a 1200GS which he purchased last year and is having difficulties at slow speeds. I didn't do the training so did not get to meet the chap and I was wondering if he is on this forum and how he has got on. Hopefully he is much more confident with his low speed ability after the course.
 
I see a large number of older riders who would benefit from your course @Lord Snooty

There’s some shocking examples out there of riders, going through town with their legs dangling

Get your feet on those pegs asap and your bike control will be far better

Balance is your friend
 
I see a large number of older riders who would benefit from your course @Lord Snooty

There’s some shocking examples out there of riders, going through town with their legs dangling

Get your feet on those pegs asap and your bike control will be far better

Balance is your friend
I know mate, the number of riders of many years' experience who cannot control and balance a bike at walking speed is astonishing. Dangling your legs makes it worse as it it like having two sides of beef swinging around in the breeze causing the bike to become unstable and so many riders look down instead of keeping their head up and jab at the front brake causing the bike to dip at the front and and then bounce back up causing more problems. Most of this is due to lack of confidence and skills. Right from CBT level we train students to only use the back brake when less than 15mph as the front is just too aggressive at low speeds.

Sadly too many riders do not practice slow control enough, any idiot can make a bike go quick but it takes a lot more skill to ride one slowly. With your trials experience you will understand the concept of working the rear brake in harmony with the clutch and throttle to achieve low speed balance.

In DAS training I do an car park exercise with my students getting them to slightly drag the rear brake whilst getting the clutch just on the bite point, the sweet spot I call it, whilst keeping the throttle busy above tick over and often succeed in getting them riding at 4 and sometimes 3mph without issues. It's easy to do it with new riders as they are blank pieces of paper and do not have years of ingrained bad habits to change.
 
But surely without that, you would have to put your feet down at traffic lights and don’t we all anticipate slow riding to the point where you’ve nearly tipped off the side and then luckily it goes to red amber😁
 
Which reminds me, I must change my rear disc this Winter. It is in tolerance...just, but it’s horrible feeling resistance then none, then resistance at slow speed. ‘Puts me right off!’
 
There’s some shocking examples out there of riders, going through town with their legs dangling
That & U-turns. I don’t understand how guys, many of whom have been riding for years, can’t do a u-turn without ‘paddling’ all the way around. Surely it’s something that should be taught, checked in the test & then practiced by the rider until he has a handle on it.
It’s not difficult & surely a lot safer than waddling around in the middle of a public road :rob
 
I’m relatively OK with slow riding but I really envy those chaps who come to a standstill and just balance without a care in the world.
Something I’m dreadful at.
 
I know mate, the number of riders of many years' experience who cannot control and balance a bike at walking speed is astonishing. Dangling your legs makes it worse as it it like having two sides of beef swinging around in the breeze causing the bike to become unstable and so many riders look down instead of keeping their head up and jab at the front brake causing the bike to dip at the front and and then bounce back up causing more problems. Most of this is due to lack of confidence and skills. Right from CBT level we train students to only use the back brake when less than 15mph as the front is just too aggressive at low speeds.

Sadly too many riders do not practice slow control enough, any idiot can make a bike go quick but it takes a lot more skill to ride one slowly. With your trials experience you will understand the concept of working the rear brake in harmony with the clutch and throttle to achieve low speed balance.

In DAS training I do an car park exercise with my students getting them to slightly drag the rear brake whilst getting the clutch just on the bite point, the sweet spot I call it, whilst keeping the throttle busy above tick over and often succeed in getting them riding at 4 and sometimes 3mph without issues. It's easy to do it with new riders as they are blank pieces of paper and do not have years of ingrained bad habits to change.
It does make it easier

Last Saturday, I threaded my way through a multitude of parked bikes at all angles @ Manor Cafe bike meet, like a slalom at walking pace.........feet up on my KTM 350 with clutch/throttle and rear brake, in harmony and all the road riders were just staring - I was a smug bastard :D ;)
 
I'll put my hand up to poor slow speed control and trickling along; my u turns also need a more confident approach also;; the hard part is it's not always been this way; i'am nearly 69 now and have had some health issues since i retired( i think retiring may have caused a few :D ) and my milage as fallen of a cliff in real terms;; like it's been said it's a confidence thing that may come with age and fragility; who knows; becoming a doddery old bastard is no fun;; i have tried some offroad trails on the GS and ended up upside down on a few occasions but the last time i was grateful of a couple of other riders who came across me twisted in a deep rut; there was no way i could get the bike up on my own; this finished me with the trails; i would never have believed how much confidence it could suck from me. Could this be turned around at my age.
 
I'll put my hand up to poor slow speed control and trickling along; my u turns also need a more confident approach also;; the hard part is it's not always been this way; i'am nearly 69 now and have had some health issues since i retired( i think retiring may have caused a few :D ) and my milage as fallen of a cliff in real terms;; like it's been said it's a confidence thing that may come with age and fragility; who knows; becoming a doddery old bastard is no fun;; i have tried some offroad trails on the GS and ended up upside down on a few occasions but the last time i was grateful of a couple of other riders who came across me twisted in a deep rut; there was no way i could get the bike up on my own; this finished me with the trails; i would never have believed how much confidence it could suck from me. Could this be turned around at my age.
I’m not a long way behind you at 65. Luckily without any health issues, well other than being old and having arthritis in numerous joints. I definitely won’t be taking the 1250 GSA off road. Perhaps a lighter off road bike would help your confidence. I have been off road riding a couple of times this summer and do enjoy it but I do have an old 1991 Suzuki DR 650 for this.
Perhaps joining one or two of the open invite trips posted on here would help you get your mileage back up.
 
I’m not a long way behind you at 65. Luckily without any health issues, well other than being old and having arthritis in numerous joints. I definitely won’t be taking the 1250 GSA off road. Perhaps a lighter off road bike would help your confidence. I have been off road riding a couple of times this summer and do enjoy it but I do have an old 1991 Suzuki DR 650 for this.
Perhaps joining one or two of the open invite trips posted on here would help you get your mileage back up.
Cheers for the reply Glenn; i always went offroad on my own; and things usually went wrong when i got sucked into sections that were proberbly too gnarly for a GS 1100; both my knees are playing up so it's not the smartest of ideas on any bike never mind summat like mine; i've been a rd rider all my life and only ventured off rd on a whim when i got the GS;; it was more a case off i wonder where this goes; fuck this is a bit harder than i thought;; i could never say i was led into it. :beerjug:
 
I'll put my hand up to poor slow speed control and trickling along; my u turns also need a more confident approach also;; the hard part is it's not always been this way; i'am nearly 69 now and have had some health issues since i retired( i think retiring may have caused a few :D ) and my milage as fallen of a cliff in real terms;; like it's been said it's a confidence thing that may come with age and fragility; who knows; becoming a doddery old bastard is no fun;; i have tried some offroad trails on the GS and ended up upside down on a few occasions but the last time i was grateful of a couple of other riders who came across me twisted in a deep rut; there was no way i could get the bike up on my own; this finished me with the trails; i would never have believed how much confidence it could suck from me. Could this be turned around at my age.

my brother is older, 75. He has had health issues, with surgery to remove cancer. He also has emphysema from smoking. He sold his larger bikes, old Moto Guzzi and BMWs and has bought a CB200, just like the commuter bike he passed his test on in the 1980s when the 250cc rule changed. He has been enjoying running errands over the summer using the CB200 rather than his van. As Glenn says, maybe get yourself a smaller bike for bimbling about on. Something easier to wheel out of the garage and less effort to muscle around bends.
 
A month or two back there was a slow riding / control day at Nutts Corner but it was £99 for the day, that put a lot of people off.
 
I see a large number of older riders who would benefit from your course @Lord Snooty

There’s some shocking examples out there of riders, going through town with their legs dangling

Get your feet on those pegs asap and your bike control will be far better

Balance is your friend

Sadly too many riders do not practice slow control enough, any idiot can make a bike go quick but it takes a lot more skill to ride one slowly. With your trials experience you will understand the concept of working the rear brake in harmony with the clutch and throttle to achieve low speed balance.
Absolutely. We used to have UKGSer meet up at The Hunters Inn, between Leeds and Harrogate, the same night as a few Harley riders (the accountant and dentist type) met for a beer and a natter. One of them was guaranteed to drop their bike..then it'd take 4 of 'em to pick it up and then all roar off with that distinctive diesel growl those bikes have...(Learning how to pick up a dropped bike is another key skill IMHO)
It always strikes me how bad some/many are when boarding or alighting a ferry....often a damp metal deck and their legs dangle meaning they're going to use the front brake...not a good idea
 
Our local IAM group (Solent) regularly holds a level 1 and level 2 slow riding course.

I’ve completed it twice over and it’s possibly the best bike training I have ever received.
 
my brother is older, 75. He has had health issues, with surgery to remove cancer. He also has emphysema from smoking. He sold his larger bikes, old Moto Guzzi and BMWs and has bought a CB200, just like the commuter bike he passed his test on in the 1980s when the 250cc rule changed. He has been enjoying running errands over the summer using the CB200 rather than his van. As Glenn says, maybe get yourself a smaller bike for bimbling about on. Something easier to wheel out of the garage and less effort to muscle around bends.
Sorry to hear about your bro wessie; i've been toying with that idea for awhile if i'am honest; but when the Mrs was asked what her goal was when she went for her hip opperation she told the surgeon what she wanted most of all was to get on the back of the bike again; :D we have been all over Europe annd most of Britain together; she did'nt go on the GS much because it was too uncomfortable but she could manage just on the SX; i could'nt desert her now with a smaller bike; it's a bit of both or none ; thank's for the input;:beerjug:
 
Did you have to undress whilst riding along Adam?

🤣🤣

Not quite, but some of the stances were quite a challenge. I had to go around more times than I anticipated before I got it right on a couple of them that initially looked easier than they actually were.

Riding home after the course was a revelation, it felt like I could throw my GSA at anything and make it dance. Very confidence building stuff.
 


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