Steptoe's cat code 'plug' - it works!

Hmmm...

Had yellow CCP - running rough.
Took out yellow CCP and reset - still running rough
Tried Steptoe's mod and reset - still running rough
To be honest, I couldn't tell the difference between any of the first three.

Took off silencer and ran using cat only (no reset!) - running rough, but sounds lovely!!


Service due tomorrow with Brian Giles. Not sure it's anything to do with the Motronic at all...

Time to try again...:rolleyes:
 
It's dead easy ugg fill the tank to the rim at the base of the filler neck Now you know you've got 24 litres if it's a metal tank and 25 litres it it's a plastic tank

Set the trip to zero and go riding!

When the light comes on or whatever you can either call in and top back up to where you were or drive on until it stops. Either way you can work out your mpg and running it until it cuts out or until it's empty (not recommended) will give you your maximum range for the bike [if you remember to strap a jerrican on or have an accomplice with a full ish tank you can syphon some from you wont even have to cadge a lift to the garage?

to do the maths (number of litres to fill up again) divided by 4.54 = ??Gallons

(Number of miles covered) divided by (gallons to top up tank again) = Miles per gallon

WHat do you get MPG wise? Mines doing about 45 to 50 but then again I'm nursing one of those dodgey M93 boxes

cheers bemer jay. about same as you.
thanks for the relpy i only put that up on the fourum to test the waters in the sort of replys i got.
i got what was expected . nourself not included. thanks ugg.
 
cheers bemer jay. about same as you.
thanks for the relpy i only put that up on the fourum to test the waters in the sort of replys i got.
i got what was expected . nourself not included. thanks ugg.

Nothing personal, but was that advice on how to fill your fuel tank really beneficial to you. . :hide:thumb2
 
I want to know if the cat code plug and the fuel calculation will work on for my bike, and whether it will be effected by the viscosity of the oil I am using (and obviously fully synth, semi or mineral)?

Come on Steppers - there's no point in pretending that this so-called mod is a high-performance, petrol saving tuneing aid if you can't be bothered to set out the basics is there?
 
Hi all

I am new to BM’s, mine’s an 1150gs and I've not really started tinkering with it yet, but I also have an old Porsche which I do tinker with and I have a reasonably good understanding of motor electronics/ ignition fuelling etc.

And having read through this post there seems to be some confusion on how these systems work

So for those that are not sure how it works these are the basics
All electronic/ fuel injected engines have a “chip” that controls the fuel input into the cylinder, the ignition spark and the advance or retarding of the ignition timing as well as monitoring environmental things such as temperature and altitude and also crank position etc

These chips can/will have multiple maps on them, for different countries emission laws or for different bike configurations etc and as said in a previous message, these will be generic maps and for the UK will probably be set up to meet our emission requirements and not for maximum power/output.

The lambda sensor is a feedback system to the “chip” that monitors the input to balance the fuel mixture, leaning the mixture when the sensor reads rich and richening the mixture when the sensor reads lean. This only comes into play once the engine/sensor has warmed up
Lambda sensors produce a voltage signal that recognises the amount of unburned oxygen in the exhaust. An oxygen sensor is essentially a battery that generates its own voltage. When hot (at least 250 degrees c.), the zirconium dioxide element in the sensor's tip produces a voltage that varies according to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust compared to the ambient oxygen level in the outside air. The greater the difference, the higher the sensor's output voltage.
Sensor output ranges from 0.2 Volts (lean) to 0.8 Volts (rich). A perfectly balanced or "stoichiometric" fuel mixture of 14.7 parts of air to 1 part of fuel gives an average reading of around 0.45 Volts.
The lambda sensor's output voltage doesn't remain constant, however. It flip-flops back and forth from rich to lean. Every time the voltage reverses itself and goes from high to low or vice versa, it's called a "cross count." A good O2 sensor on an injection system should fluctuate from rich to lean about 1 per second. If the number of cross counts is lower than this, it tells you the O2 sensor is getting sluggish and needs to be replaced.
Most lambda sensors will cycle from rich to lean in about 50 to 100 milliseconds, and from lean to rich in 75 to 150 milliseconds. This is referred to as the "transition" time. If the O2 sensor is taking significantly longer to reverse readings, this too is an indication that it is getting sluggish and may need to be replaced.
Observing the sensor's waveform on a scope is a good way to see whether or not it is slowing down with age. If the sensor becomes sluggish, it can create hesitation problems during sudden acceleration.
A lambda sensor's normal life span is 30,000 to 50,000 miles. But the sensor may fail prematurely if it becomes clogged with carbon, or is contaminated by lead from leaded petrol or silicone from an antifreeze leak or from silicone sealer.
As the sensor ages, it becomes sluggish. Eventually it produces an unchanging signal or no signal at all. When this happens the engine may experience drivability problems caused by an overly rich fuel condition. Poor fuel economy, elevated CO and HC emissions, poor idle, and/or hesitation during acceleration are typical complaints.
If the lambda sensor's output is sluggish and does not change (low cross counts & long transition times), the engine computer will not be able to maintain a properly balanced fuel mixture. The engine may run too rich or too lean, depending on the operating conditions. This, in turn, may cause drivability problems such as misfiring, surging, poor idle, and high emissions.

Sometimes an apparent lambda sensor problem is not really a faulty sensor. An air leak in the intake or exhaust manifold or even a fouled spark plug, for example, will cause the lambda sensor to give a false lean indication. The sensor reacts only to the presence or absence of oxygen in the exhaust. It has no way of knowing where the extra oxygen came from. So keep that in mind when diagnosing oxygen sensor problems.
The lambda sensor is also grounded through the exhaust manifold. If rust and corrosion of the manifold gaskets and bolts is creating resistance, it may affect the sensor's output. To rule out a bad ground, use a digital volt meter to check for a voltage drop between the sensor shell and the engine block. More than 0.1v can cause a problem.
If the lambda sensor is removed altogether the chip can (not sure if this is the case with BMW’s) revert to a default/base map which will usually run a slightly richer map than normal, this would be to make sure the engine does not run lean, as running a lean engine will cause detonation or pinking, this is really bad as it can burn holes in pistons in a short time if left like that. However an overly rich running engine is also bad as the excess fuel can “wash” the cylinder of lubrication causing premature wear.
The fitting of the Y pipe in place of the cat would free up power but if the lambda sensor is not replaced, could also cause premature cylinder wear due to a “rich” running conditions
Or a replacement chip could be made to suite the exact specification of the bike, this would then do away with the need for a lambda sensor altogether, the bike would then run only on the map within the chip.
The “Steptoe” plug short could be overriding the lambda sensor (I don’t know if this is the case as I’m not familiar yet with the BM’s) and running the rich map which could give better/ smoother power, as the system is set up for emissions not power.
If someone has a chip reader you can find out how the maps are set up and then would have a better understanding of what the changes are doing.
So some of the “surging” and poor running issues that these bikes seem to suffer with? Could be related to air leaks or poor functioning of the sensor

Sorry for the long post but….
Hope this is helpful!!
phill
 
Hi all

I am new to BM’s, mine’s an 1150gs and I've not really started tinkering with it yet, but I also have an old Porsche which I do tinker with and I have a reasonably good understanding of motor electronics/ ignition fuelling etc.

And having read through this post there seems to be some confusion on how these systems work

So for those that are not sure how it works these are the basics
All electronic/ fuel injected engines have a “chip” that controls the fuel input into the cylinder, the ignition spark and the advance or retarding of the ignition timing as well as monitoring environmental things such as temperature and altitude and also crank position etc

These chips can/will have multiple maps on them, for different countries emission laws or for different bike configurations etc and as said in a previous message, these will be generic maps and for the UK will probably be set up to meet our emission requirements and not for maximum power/output.

The lambda sensor is a feedback system to the “chip” that monitors the input to balance the fuel mixture, leaning the mixture when the sensor reads rich and richening the mixture when the sensor reads lean. This only comes into play once the engine/sensor has warmed up
Lambda sensors produce a voltage signal that recognises the amount of unburned oxygen in the exhaust. An oxygen sensor is essentially a battery that generates its own voltage. When hot (at least 250 degrees c.), the zirconium dioxide element in the sensor's tip produces a voltage that varies according to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust compared to the ambient oxygen level in the outside air. The greater the difference, the higher the sensor's output voltage.
Sensor output ranges from 0.2 Volts (lean) to 0.8 Volts (rich). A perfectly balanced or "stoichiometric" fuel mixture of 14.7 parts of air to 1 part of fuel gives an average reading of around 0.45 Volts.
The lambda sensor's output voltage doesn't remain constant, however. It flip-flops back and forth from rich to lean. Every time the voltage reverses itself and goes from high to low or vice versa, it's called a "cross count." A good O2 sensor on an injection system should fluctuate from rich to lean about 1 per second. If the number of cross counts is lower than this, it tells you the O2 sensor is getting sluggish and needs to be replaced.
Most lambda sensors will cycle from rich to lean in about 50 to 100 milliseconds, and from lean to rich in 75 to 150 milliseconds. This is referred to as the "transition" time. If the O2 sensor is taking significantly longer to reverse readings, this too is an indication that it is getting sluggish and may need to be replaced.
Observing the sensor's waveform on a scope is a good way to see whether or not it is slowing down with age. If the sensor becomes sluggish, it can create hesitation problems during sudden acceleration.
A lambda sensor's normal life span is 30,000 to 50,000 miles. But the sensor may fail prematurely if it becomes clogged with carbon, or is contaminated by lead from leaded petrol or silicone from an antifreeze leak or from silicone sealer.
As the sensor ages, it becomes sluggish. Eventually it produces an unchanging signal or no signal at all. When this happens the engine may experience drivability problems caused by an overly rich fuel condition. Poor fuel economy, elevated CO and HC emissions, poor idle, and/or hesitation during acceleration are typical complaints.
If the lambda sensor's output is sluggish and does not change (low cross counts & long transition times), the engine computer will not be able to maintain a properly balanced fuel mixture. The engine may run too rich or too lean, depending on the operating conditions. This, in turn, may cause drivability problems such as misfiring, surging, poor idle, and high emissions.

Sometimes an apparent lambda sensor problem is not really a faulty sensor. An air leak in the intake or exhaust manifold or even a fouled spark plug, for example, will cause the lambda sensor to give a false lean indication. The sensor reacts only to the presence or absence of oxygen in the exhaust. It has no way of knowing where the extra oxygen came from. So keep that in mind when diagnosing oxygen sensor problems.
The lambda sensor is also grounded through the exhaust manifold. If rust and corrosion of the manifold gaskets and bolts is creating resistance, it may affect the sensor's output. To rule out a bad ground, use a digital volt meter to check for a voltage drop between the sensor shell and the engine block. More than 0.1v can cause a problem.
If the lambda sensor is removed altogether the chip can (not sure if this is the case with BMW’s) revert to a default/base map which will usually run a slightly richer map than normal, this would be to make sure the engine does not run lean, as running a lean engine will cause detonation or pinking, this is really bad as it can burn holes in pistons in a short time if left like that. However an overly rich running engine is also bad as the excess fuel can “wash” the cylinder of lubrication causing premature wear.
The fitting of the Y pipe in place of the cat would free up power but if the lambda sensor is not replaced, could also cause premature cylinder wear due to a “rich” running conditions
Or a replacement chip could be made to suite the exact specification of the bike, this would then do away with the need for a lambda sensor altogether, the bike would then run only on the map within the chip.
The “Steptoe” plug short could be overriding the lambda sensor (I don’t know if this is the case as I’m not familiar yet with the BM’s) and running the rich map which could give better/ smoother power, as the system is set up for emissions not power.
If someone has a chip reader you can find out how the maps are set up and then would have a better understanding of what the changes are doing.
So some of the “surging” and poor running issues that these bikes seem to suffer with? Could be related to air leaks or poor functioning of the sensor

Sorry for the long post but….
Hope this is helpful!!
phill

BMW's come out of the factory fitted with different CCPs, or even without any CCP. So there is no definate setting. Each bike is set to an average.

Just as i've always said, but in fewer words - try it and see if it works on your bike. Some it does, some it doesn't :D
 
BMW's come out of the factory fitted with different CCPs, or even without any CCP. So there is no definate setting. Each bike is set to an average.

Just as i've always said, but in fewer words - try it and see if it works on your bike. Some it does, some it doesn't :D

I'm not clear - so you're saying that they're all the same and it will definitely work on any given bike due to the uniform commonality of settings?
 
I'm not clear - so you're saying that they're all the same and it will definitely work on any given bike due to the uniform commonality of settings?

I think he's saying they're all basically different, which is why BMW use a range of CCP's (or none) to get them all the same.

Take away the CCP's and they're all different again, which is why Steptoes's link may or may not work, depending on the bike.
 
I think he's saying they're all basically different, which is why BMW use a range of CCP's (or none) to get them all the same.

Take away the CCP's and they're all different again, which is why Steptoes's link may or may not work, depending on the bike.

Yeah - zakley - so they will all work coz they're all the same. I think Steptoe should have mentioned that earlier on in this whole business and been a lot clearer. Con artist.
 
I tried this and it didn't make any difference. Who do I complain to?
 
Mmmmm. Lots of reading!

I now have a REMUS Y-piece, REMUS Revolution can with baffle REMOVED, K&N filter plus a Lennie's induct.

Was a bit fluffy until I removed the baffle the other day.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what type of wire to use for the CCP thingy (okay, some might laugh but I'm being honest and that's what these forums are here for ... little help to those that need it!) so I used a highly modified (!!) paperclip. Somebody has already mentioned that they used this! I will try it when I go home tonight ...

Will this type of 'wire' work? O level physics was never my strongpojt and I've forgotten all about 'resistance' and that type of cr*p ... can anybody enlighten on what type of wire works? I couldn't just grab a bit of old electric appliance wire / earth wire, or the like, and stick 2 spade end thingys on ... or could I? I really don't know!

Cheers.

:nenau

Nick
 
Will this type of 'wire' work?

yes. just don't let anyone see it, they might laugh :)

I couldn't just grab a bit of old electric appliance wire / earth wire, or the like, and stick 2 spade end thingys on ... or could I?

yes, you could. i'd get someone else to do it for you though as i'm guessing you don't have crimpers etc.
 


I couldn't just grab a bit of old electric appliance wire / earth wire, or the like, and stick 2 spade end thingys on ... or could I?

yes, you could. i'd get someone else to do it for you though as i'm guessing you don't have crimpers etc.


And indeed, I did just that.

Even though I was reckless enough to do it without the assistance of "wrists like a granny" ratchet crimpers. Lord knows how I got away with it. :rolleyes:
 
Well, I did it and it worked. Blimey, did it work!

As somebody else has mentioned, I think I had a similar result, with the bike running 'better' than it has for a while! Smooth all round.

Or is this another (and it wouldn't be the first time :rolleyes: ) example of doing something, expecting something better, expectation playing with the mind and then me thinking everything is better than before? Mmmmmmm ..

I better get off to B&Q and look for some of those electrickery things and crimpers ... yes, we actually have a single B&Q store in Hong Kong! Only been here since this year and I've yet to visit, though!

Cheers all.

Nick
 


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