Strange problem accessory socket anybody else had this?

[ianm00]

Hi,

I have my 2610 connected to the front accessory socket on my 1200GS.

Today whilst riding the 2610 turned off as though there wasn't any power. I thought that there was a loose connection so continued with the ride, however throughout the ride the GPS would stay off for about 3mins then it would turn on for about 1min and the process of on/off repeated.

When I got home I used a 12v test bulb (5W) as a test. With the bike running just stood in the garege the same thing happens.

Anybody seen this before?

Thanks

Ian

 

[Paul Wakefield]

After I had my Autocom and 2610 installed, I had a similar but not identical issue with the power shutting down for long periods. It would come on when switching the ignition on but then go off; every so often you could hear it trying to start up.

Cutting a very long story short, the Autocom installation had left 2 bare wires (underneath the insulating tape). Every so often they would touch and short out so the Canbus shut down the sockets. I was fairly grateful for the Canbus as I would have run out of fuses long before I finally traced the problem.

So could something be shorting out? Have you done/had done any work to the wiring recently?

Paul

 

[ianm00]

After I had my Autocom and 2610 installed, I had a similar but not identical issue with the power shutting down for long periods. It would come on when switching the ignition on but then go off; every so often you could hear it trying to start up.

Cutting a very long story short, the Autocom installation had left 2 bare wires (underneath the insulating tape). Every so often they would touch and short out so the Canbus shut down the sockets. I was fairly grateful for the Canbus as I would have run out of fuses long before I finally traced the problem.

So could something be shorting out? Have you done/had done any work to the wiring recently?

Paul

Just recently my bike had to have the gearbox oil seals and clutch replaced so maybe they have done something to it. I pulled the connectors for the accessory plugs apart and they still cause the problem.

Ian

 

[Pukmeister]

I had an intermittent fault with my power socket, it turned out to be corrosion of the copper cable where it goes into the plastic plug on the socket wiring connector. It had turned green and the copper was rotten and had given up. Your front socket is simply spurred off of the rear socket so it is possible that you have the same fault as mine had with the wiring loom connector.

The standard auxiliary socket wiring is a poorly executed design IMHO and very poorly protected from the elements up under the seat.

A new wiring socket connector was soldered in under warranty and I put loads of silicon grease onto it to prevent the ingress of water and corrosion.

 

[ianm00]

I had an intermittent fault with my power socket, it turned out to be corrosion of the copper cable where it goes into the plastic plug on the socket wiring connector. It had turned green and the copper was rotten and had given up. Your front socket is simply spurred off of the rear socket so it is possible that you have the same fault as mine had with the wiring loom connector.

The standard auxiliary socket wiring is a poorly executed design IMHO and very poorly protected from the elements up under the seat.

A new wiring socket connector was soldered in under warranty and I put loads of silicon grease onto it to prevent the ingress of water and corrosion.

You are correct about the poor design of this connector. Previously I have covered this connector with waxoly to prevent corrosion.

I could believe this as a problem if it was intermittent but this turn off turn on cycle is very regular and seems as though its 3mins off then 1 min on even with the bike stood still in the garage.

Thanks

Ian

 

[birdseye]

I agree - if it actually is precisely regular then it must be an electronics fault rather than some dodgy wiring

 

[walti]

I agree - if it actually is precisely regular then it must be an electronics fault rather than some dodgy wiring

It could also be the overcurrent trip system operating, the time for a trip and the time for reset would be fairly constant, suggesting an overcurrent rather than a short circuit... ???

 

[ianm00]

It could also be the overcurrent trip system operating, the time for a trip and the time for reset would be fairly constant, suggesting an overcurrent rather than a short circuit... ???

Yes maybe overcurrent perhaps short? It does the same thing with both 2610 or a 12V test bulb. 3mins off and 1min on regular with just ignition on. It does it if bike is running or not.

This bike has given me so many problems Im now losing patience and am considering getting rid of it! Its my first BMW and probably my last the way this bike is going!

Looks like calling the dealer again tomorrow.

Thanks

Ian

 

[Mouse]

Hi,

I have my 2610 connected to the front accessory socket on my 1200GS.

Today whilst riding the 2610 turned off as though there wasn't any power. I thought that there was a loose connection so continued with the ride, however throughout the ride the GPS would stay off for about 3mins then it would turn on for about 1min and the process of on/off repeated.

I had exactly the same problem yesterday, except I was running the GPS from the GPS socket rather than the accessory socket. I speculate that they are controlled by the same device though, if not actually on the same circuit.

The common thing is this: both our bikes were in the dealers recently. I know for sure that my bike's software was updated (which did wonders for the engine response, presumably new fuel mapping), but I never saw this problem prior to the update.

So it looks like a bug in the new software

 

[Mouse]

Hmm, a thought. I wonder if the socket is turning off due to not enough power draw, rather than too much? Next time I go out, I'll try having my heated vest plugged in too.

 

[ianm00]

I had exactly the same problem yesterday, except I was running the GPS from the GPS socket rather than the accessory socket. I speculate that they are controlled by the same device though, if not actually on the same circuit.

The common thing is this: both our bikes were in the dealers recently. I know for sure that my bike's software was updated (which did wonders for the engine response, presumably new fuel mapping), but I never saw this problem prior to the update.

So it looks like a bug in the new software

Umm this might be correct! My bike also had the software update. I also found that it did wonders for engine reponse.

I spoke to dealer today, but mechanic was sick so I need to ring again tomorrow.

Ian

 

[JerryP]

When I had my bike serviced and updates carried out, the update form showed "Entladene Batterie" - unloaded battery, according to google translation.

I wonder if that may be what's causing your problem?

 

[ianm00]

When I had my bike serviced and updates carried out, the update form showed "Entladene Batterie" - unloaded battery, according to google translation.

I wonder if that may be what's causing your problem?

Im not sure what this means, but did you have any of the symptons concerning the accessory socket or GPS plug supply. Did the dealer do anything different due to this message?

Thanks

Ian

 

[ianm00]

Hmm, a thought. I wonder if the socket is turning off due to not enough power draw, rather than too much? Next time I go out, I'll try having my heated vest plugged in too.

Mouse let me know how it goes?

I took my bike to dealer today but during the ride there the GPS fault disappeared and started working correctly.

The dealer checked my bike and couldn't find anything wrong, however they were not happy with the way my GPS power lead was connected.

Basically I connected the Garmin motorcyle lead using two scotchblock connectors to the two wires on the bottom of the front accessory socket.

The dealer said scotchblock connectors shouldn't be used and this may be the cause of the problem! I totally disagree with this as I disconnected the front accessory plug by unplugging it at the rear of the standard accessory plug under the seat. (the front accessory socket is just piggy-backed off if the standard accessory socket). With the front section disconnected I used a 12V test bulb on the standard socket and this was behaving in the same way as my GPS on for about 1 min then off for 3mins!

Cant argue much with the dealer because the problem has now gone and I cant show him that disconnecting the front accessory socket has no effect on the problem.

Ian

 

[Mouse]

Scotchblock connectors are not the best thing to use, they'll let in water and the wires will corrode eventually. But the dealer blaming the power problem on these connectors is bullshit, it's just the typical way some dealers will blame you for causing a problem because you've done something not 100% correct.

I would either solder the wires and put heatshrink sleeving around the joints, or if you want it to be removable, use crimp on bullet connectors.

I've got my GPS connected directly to the GPS power socket on the GS (the one under the font of the petrol tank) and still see the same symptoms. I'm convinced this is a software glitch.

But I've been busy and haven't had chance to either report it to my dealer or test it with the heated vest connected, sorry! Will report back when I can though.

 

[Stoney]

My heated jacket no longer appears to work and having sent it back to the UK distributor for repair it was given the all clear. My suspicions are now well any truly raised about the power socket.

I had it checked last week when the problem initially arose and the dealer gave the socket the all clear.

Clearly something is a miss somewhere - I just wish I knew where!

The strange thing is I have been doing some testing with my optimate plugged into the power socket (with the ignition turned on - as this is the only way the optimate seemed to work). Sure enough aftyer about 2 mins the leds went out - and rhen back on after about 3.

Phoned the dealer - they had never heard of such an issue.

Back out to garage to find the led on and staying on. Even stranger the two leds that had not been working in my NN rear tail light were now working.

Even weirder the optimate now works with the bike turned off.


Confused? I am!

 

[ianm00]

Scotchblock connectors are not the best thing to use, they'll let in water and the wires will corrode eventually. But the dealer blaming the power problem on these connectors is bullshit, it's just the typical way some dealers will blame you for causing a problem because you've done something not 100% correct.

I would either solder the wires and put heatshrink sleeving around the joints, or if you want it to be removable, use crimp on bullet connectors.

I've got my GPS connected directly to the GPS power socket on the GS (the one under the font of the petrol tank) and still see the same symptoms. I'm convinced this is a software glitch.

But I've been busy and haven't had chance to either report it to my dealer or test it with the heated vest connected, sorry! Will report back when I can though.

Yes I had thought of this so I covered the connectors with waxoyl spray to stop corrosion. Currently it seems to be working OK again, but Im thinking of wiring it into the GPS connector just to satisfy the dealer.

Im thinking of drilling two holes in the GPS connector covering cap and puting two pins (made from paper clips maybe or I may try find a connector from work that has gold plated pins which can be used as this will be better) through the cap and gluing into place. The garmin cable can then be soldered and heatshrinked to produce a home made GPS connector.

Let me know how you get on when you have chance to try it.

Cheers

Ian

 

[ianm00]

Latest Software Update Problems with Accessory/GPS connectors

All,

Has anyone had this accessory plug power problem fixed by their dealer yet?

I now know of two other 1200GS who have just had the latest "battery fix" software update done and are now having similar problems with the GPS power connector and the +12V accessory plugs!

This is definitely a software problem which BMW need to be aware of and get fixed!

Cheers

Ian

 

[Stoney]

I did have this problem but it seems to have fixed itself. I'm warm and toasty with my heated vest plugged in to it.

 

[ianm00]

I did have this problem but it seems to have fixed itself. I'm warm and toasty with my heated vest plugged in to it.

Yes I had the problem originally and mostly its OK but it still does it every so often!

Ian