Tested a 1250

Nice write up Piggy and your findings mirror almost exactly my own. Only difference is I was comparing with a 2016GSA with bar risers fitted and the bars pulled slightly back. I also preferred the longer suspension set up even if it is a bit slower turning in. It just feels more settled which suits the character of the bike better for me.

I don't know whether my engine was mapped or not (second owner and no paperwork with it suggesting it was mapped) but honestly, in Dynamic mode, pick-up from low revs I found very little difference until 4K or so when the 1250 seemed to pull faster without the dead spot, so apart from anything else, is better fuelled. 1250 has more pick up but it's definitely not the night and day difference that some on here would have me and others believe. More pokey? Yes. "Night and day" more? No...no way. Comparing my GSA with a recently ridden MT10, now that was night and day in every respect (way more powerful. Smoother and whilst no more torquey , it just pulled more linearly without the 5K slight flat spot and kept on pulling way past the red line of the twin until you thought your eyes would pop and arms would be ripped from your shoulders. Now that bike would run rings round the 1250 and deserves it's "bonkers" title).


It’s not. I’ve had several LC’s, and it’s a bit peppier. But not night and day.

Yes, nail on head. Would I have one over my 1200? No. Oddly, I think that the boxer actually suits a very slightly more laid back character. Once it starts trying to be a Super Duke, sacrifices have to be made in other areas. I don't care that the 1250's smoother or faster, I just see the little amount of vibes I get as part of the character of the lump. Over sanitise that and the character goes missing. BMW have a habit of taking a near perfect recipe and sanitising it. The S1000RR and S1000R are arguably the best bikes in their class, but oh dear, they do seem to be sterile to boot!

I have the same Bridgestones as some of the new 1250's are shod with and do like them although I still don't think they're quite as good as the older Anakee II's I had in the wet. They inspire confidence in the dry though and have very stable and predictable handling...you can easily ride the things off the edge and after doing that several times, the back end just gives a little kick and reminds you that as well as cylinder heads about to touch down, the rider will follow in short order unless he backs off a little! No other tyre I've had fitted to an ADV bike has given me so much confidence when it comes to the twisties.

I think that the 1250 has sort of polarised opinion between just about everyone I know who's tried one. There's no denying it's stronger in several areas but as an all round package, most, including myself, wouldn't trade our 1200's in any time soon as they still cut the mustard as a great all rounder with few weaknesses. Engine is strong enough. Want to race or do track days? Buy a 160bhp super naked or 180bhp superbike. Neither will be as good all-round imho as the GS....any GS.
 
I test rode a 1250 gsa yesterday, I felt the biggest improvement was at the bottom end and the peripheral ancillaries worked better than earlier versions.

If it was based on engine improvements alone IMO it wouldn’t be we worth changing. The GSAP and hill start are much better than earlier versions. The TFT was great and you can easily switch between kph & mph.

The bike I was riding had Bridgestones fitted, which were fine, I found the whole package very good.
 
Yep...meant to add that the TFT is WAY better than the rubbish clocks of the older GS's. I don't bother using mine for speedo now, I just have that set on the LCD display. Mind you, for a not inconsiderable out-lay you can add your own virtual TFT by buying a Navigator 5 or 6 which as sort of sold them to me.
 
The game changer is the SOS button . It’s worth £18k alone
 
Nice write up Piggy and your findings mirror almost exactly my own. Only difference is I was comparing with a 2016GSA with bar risers fitted and the bars pulled slightly back. I also preferred the longer suspension set up even if it is a bit slower turning in. It just feels more settled which suits the character of the bike better for me.

I don't know whether my engine was mapped or not (second owner and no paperwork with it suggesting it was mapped) but honestly, in Dynamic mode, pick-up from low revs I found very little difference until 4K or so when the 1250 seemed to pull faster without the dead spot, so apart from anything else, is better fuelled. 1250 has more pick up but it's definitely not the night and day difference that some on here would have me and others believe. More pokey? Yes. "Night and day" more? No...no way. Comparing my GSA with a recently ridden MT10, now that was night and day in every respect (way more powerful. Smoother and whilst no more torquey , it just pulled more linearly without the 5K slight flat spot and kept on pulling way past the red line of the twin until you thought your eyes would pop and arms would be ripped from your shoulders. Now that bike would run rings round the 1250 and deserves it's "bonkers" title).




Yes, nail on head. Would I have one over my 1200? No. Oddly, I think that the boxer actually suits a very slightly more laid back character. Once it starts trying to be a Super Duke, sacrifices have to be made in other areas. I don't care that the 1250's smoother or faster, I just see the little amount of vibes I get as part of the character of the lump. Over sanitise that and the character goes missing. BMW have a habit of taking a near perfect recipe and sanitising it. The S1000RR and S1000R are arguably the best bikes in their class, but oh dear, they do seem to be sterile to boot!

I have the same Bridgestones as some of the new 1250's are shod with and do like them although I still don't think they're quite as good as the older Anakee II's I had in the wet. They inspire confidence in the dry though and have very stable and predictable handling...you can easily ride the things off the edge and after doing that several times, the back end just gives a little kick and reminds you that as well as cylinder heads about to touch down, the rider will follow in short order unless he backs off a little! No other tyre I've had fitted to an ADV bike has given me so much confidence when it comes to the twisties.

I think that the 1250 has sort of polarised opinion between just about everyone I know who's tried one. There's no denying it's stronger in several areas but as an all round package, most, including myself, wouldn't trade our 1200's in any time soon as they still cut the mustard as a great all rounder with few weaknesses. Engine is strong enough. Want to race or do track days? Buy a 160bhp super naked or 180bhp superbike. Neither will be as good all-round imho as the GS....any GS.

That’s it, you’ve upset Stick now. He’ll be bloody furious. :rob:JB
 
The 1250 test ride wasn't enough to convince me I want one over my 1200Rallye, but I stopped at the A5 Super Sausage near Towcester today and looked over a KTM 1290 Super Duke GT and I could feel the dark side drawing me towards it :D
 
I’ll bite.
Had a HillTopped MY17 TB GS which was pretty much flawless for the past 20k miles.
Picked up a 1250 GS.
From around 3.5k-5k rpm, the 1250 is noticeably faster accelerating compared to the 1200. The self levelling suspension makes an equally bigger difference - it rides firmer, but more importantly keeps the bike from wallowing at the rear and has less fore-aft pitch. The trade-off is that the 1250 does not offer as plush a ride as the older 1200 without self levelling suspenders.
1250 GS has to be one of the fastest cross-country bikes and is perfect for the UK.
 
I’ll bite.
Had a HillTopped MY17 TB GS which was pretty much flawless for the past 20k miles.
Picked up a 1250 GS.
From around 3.5k-5k rpm, the 1250 is noticeably faster accelerating compared to the 1200. The self levelling suspension makes an equally bigger difference - it rides firmer, but more importantly keeps the bike from wallowing at the rear and has less fore-aft pitch. The trade-off is that the 1250 does not offer as plush a ride as the older 1200 without self levelling suspenders.
1250 GS has to be one of the fastest cross-country bikes and is perfect for the UK.

Summed up well....at last an honest and true post about the new 1250.
 
The 1250 test ride wasn't enough to convince me I want one over my 1200Rallye, but I stopped at the A5 Super Sausage near Towcester today and looked over a KTM 1290 Super Duke GT and I could feel the dark side drawing me towards it :D

The dark side of which you speak is indeed very dark

I am 800 miles into mine now and it is a genuine comfy tourer with a hyperdrive it will get you to your destination in a very civilised manner then destroy everything else on the road

Effortless power and torque and anyone who can get off one and say they gave it a thrashing are liars or GP stars

There are no roads that the GT will not laugh at
 
I too have sampled the new 1250. My 1200TE (13 plate) was in for new fork seals. very impressed with the engine and quickshifter; up shifts good. Down shifts not so. The suspension felt no different to my ESA do daa's. Thought i'd notice a difference, oh well. Brakes no real change from mine either. Went out for a few hours on bumpy roads I know well so had a good comparison ride.
Dash and engine are an improvement, as was the clutch engagement, but not a 9k improvement if I chopped my one in.
 
Summed up well....at last an honest and true post about the new 1250.

I'll go a bit further and copy the slightly more detailed post I wrote on PH here:

Picked up my 3rd GS over the weekend and put on a couple hundred miles. It replaced my trusty hilltopped MY17 GS which had been faultless, so expectations are high! Had never ridden the new 1250 until collection, and my oh my, what a difference the new bike is. 3 key differences compared to the 1200:

1) The self-levelling suspension is generally firmer and ensures the 1250 maintains better geometry with less fore-aft pitch and increasing it's agility (I transferred the tyres from my outgoing 1200 onto the 1250 at delivery so it was not a case of old vs new tyres). The downside is that the 1250 does not have quite a plush ride for lolloping along, but the 1250 is more controlled and better damped. Telelever + self-levelling suspension + Paralever = unflappable in corners, stability under braking, ability to get on the throttle really early out of every bend, and just consistent handling.

2) The all digital TFT dash is ultra clear, but slightly frustrating from a UI perspective. Integrated satnav to the dash is fantastic minimising the need for the separate Nav6 unit.

3) The new 1250 engine. Mid-gear acceleration from 3.5k rpm - 5k rpm is especially strong and the reduced time to accelerate is noticeable. I was still running the engine in so not able to give it the full beans, but the bike just drives forward with far less drama than my old one which had also been Hilltopped (itself was an improvement over a standard 1200). The 1250 is smoother and more refined.

All in, it's a lovely upgrade. Evolutionary. It has turned the GS into an incredibly fast bike over A and B roads that is comfortable all day. The 1250 gearing feels the same as the outgoing 1200, so it remains fun with over 100ftlbs torque and short gearing that is ideally suited to the 60-110mph range.

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The dark side of which you speak is indeed very dark

I am 800 miles into mine now and it is a genuine comfy tourer with a hyperdrive it will get you to your destination in a very civilised manner then destroy everything else on the road

Effortless power and torque and anyone who can get off one and say they gave it a thrashing are liars or GP stars

There are no roads that the GT will not laugh at

You can thrash them , but you will end up in a hedge as the bike is let down by its shocking suspension , and as for 1290 s …better but not much. Dark side my arse , ready to race ..in your dreams.
 
You can thrash them , but you will end up in a hedge as the bike is let down by its shocking suspension.

Odd you say that as i am finding the WP semi stuff very good, at least as good as the Ohlins that were on the Duc
 
Makes me laugh how the new R1250 is being compared to previous 'Hilltopped' R1200.... as being much faster...

YES BECAUSE HILLTOP DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE... YOU MUPPETS :D
 
Odd you say that as i am finding the WP semi stuff very good, at least as good as the Ohlins that were on the Duc

Its WP.. no good anymore as under developed and cheap . Front end like a nodding donkey or a locked knee , the 1250 can and does run rings around one , even tho the system on the 1250 isn't brillian just supported by top quality electronics .
Tractive on mine soon and then you will have a super 1250 gs
 
The dark side of which you speak is indeed very dark

I am 800 miles into mine now and it is a genuine comfy tourer with a hyperdrive it will get you to your destination in a very civilised manner then destroy everything else on the road

Effortless power and torque and anyone who can get off one and say they gave it a thrashing are liars or GP stars

There are no roads that the GT will not laugh at

You are not helping :blast
 


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