That leaning over traction control thing...................

[Deleted account 211025001]

..................does it mean that exiting a wet roundabout in 3rd gear I can just wack the throttle wide open and the bike will take care of itself?

Sorry, I know it's a bit of a WC section question but I'm bored..............whilst I understand it's a 'safety' feature and there's no way I intend trying the above I wonder if it really is that clever or have I misunderstood what it can do?

Andres

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

There's only one way to find out

 

[Norfolk Tiger]

Make sure you video the results for us to judge

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

 

[cookie]

it would seem so

let us know how your testing goes. you can always dictate your findings to the nurse

 

[Shep]

I'd guess the clever gadgets would control any wheel spin encouraged events but I can't see how they could control the laws of physics, if you put enough sideways force into the contact patch it will slide wheel spinning or not!

Please take photos TYVM!

 

[cookie]

i think it takes an awful lot more force than most riders realise to get a modern bike tyre to slip sideways on wet tarmac without braking.

 

[Giles]

I thought it was more to do with braking into the corner not accelerating .... ??

 

[JayC]

FWIW when exiting a wet roundabout on my (at the time) 1200GS I fed the power in before getting the bike upright and the back end gave out, momentarily. I didn't give it a handful, just enough for the electronics to say 'whoa boy , I'm not letting you do that'!, and all was well in the world.

To my way of thinking, if the TC took over, thereby interupting enthusiastic throttle use , then I see little reason why it wouldn't take over on the handful setting.

I'd be interested to learn how the 'handful' testing goes. You first.

 

[wozalldisden]

I say gyroscopes!

 

[Packer]

Quote "..................does it mean that exiting a wet roundabout in 3rd gear I can just wack the throttle wide open and the bike will take care of itself?"

That's how I interpreted the report on the braking/traction control system. I'm happy to use your bike to test it. When the wheel starts to slip under power if the system is quick enough it should cut the power before any significant lateral acceleration puts the slide beyond recovery. I've managed to do that myself a few times on the GS, especially on Knockhill track coming out of the hairpin. Too much power too soon starts to spin up the rear and sets it stepping out. Shut the throttle fast enough and you can catch it without highsiding. The KTM electronics are probably quicker than my 59 year old noggin.

 

[wozalldisden]

Quote "..................does it mean that exiting a wet roundabout in 3rd gear I can just wack the throttle wide open and the bike will take care of itself?"

That's how I interpreted the report on the braking/traction control system. I'm happy to use your bike to test it. When the wheel starts to slip under power if the system is quick enough it should cut the power before any significant lateral acceleration puts the slide beyond recovery. I've managed to do that myself a few times on the GS, especially on Knockhill track coming out of the hairpin. Too much power too soon starts to spin up the rear and sets it stepping out. Shut the throttle fast enough and you can catch it without highsiding. The KTM electronics are probably quicker than my 59 year old noggin.

You've got it. Accelorometers, gyroscopes and wheel speed sensors doing it all for you in milliseconds. It doesn't mean you can't fall off, but it's a lot lot harder to. Not sure that diesel or black ice can be beaten yet though
So Andres should be OK I reckon

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

I thought it was more to do with braking into the corner not accelerating .... ??

No, it's both braking and accelerating with both being 'lean' sensitive.....................

Andres

 

[fatbob99]

I also thought it was only for braking not accelerating , like washing out the front whilst braking ?

 

[Engineer]

..................does it mean that exiting a wet roundabout in 3rd gear I can just wack the throttle wide open and the bike will take care of itself?

Sorry, I know it's a bit of a WC section question but I'm bored..............whilst I understand it's a 'safety' feature and there's no way I intend trying the above I wonder if it really is that clever or have I misunderstood what it can do?

Andres

Yes - but I bet if you asked KTM that question they'd say no just to cover their arses, which if you think about it makes a nonsense of the whole traction control bollox, so why bother with it?

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

This is what the bumff says about the TC:

MTC (MOTORCYCLE TRACTION CONTROL)

As an integral part of the MSC package, MTC (Motorcycle Traction Control) also regulates subject to the angle of lean. It guarantees sporty yet completely controllable propulsion on all surfaces. Its intervention is indicated with a flashing LED in the completely new VDO multi-function display. For different levels of permissible rear-wheel slip, the disengageable MTC system provides four different modes, selected in connection with the engine modes using the multifunctional switch on the left handlebar grip. Developed in close collaboration with Bosch, it reacts in a matter of milliseconds if the rear wheel begins to rotate too rapidly for the riding conditions. It also makes use of the quick intervention time of the ride-by-wire system to reduce propulsion to a safe level, subject to the angle of lean. Depending on the MTC mode, the EMS (Engine Management System) also makes available a suitable level of power – for example, "only" 100 instead of 150 hp in rain mode.

Four different MTC modes are activated by changing the engine modes:

» Sport: Something for the courageous to try: Allows a respectable and perceptible amount of slippage - drift-feeling all-inclusive!

» Street: Smooth control for comfortable, undisturbed riding with full engine power.

» Rain: Early intervention and minimum slippage in the wet, with engine power reduced to a maximum of 100 hp.

» Offroad: Up to 100 per cent slippage - i.e. double wheel speed - for ambitious offroad use. Have a go at controlled offroad drifts, with engine power reduced to a maximum of 100 hp.

» Off: Those who know better than the MTC can enjoy maximum propulsion at all times, completely to their individual tastes, without electronic assistance.

Andres

 

[Popell]

Try it - what's the worst that can happen?

 

[Packer]

Completely off topic Andres, your KTM has 24 times the engine size of your Tomos and over 60 times the power but only uses about three or four times as much fuel

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Completely off topic Andres, your KTM has 24 times the engine size of your Tomos and over 60 times the power but only uses about three or four times as much fuel

Stop messing with my head, I'm having enough problems with this traction control malarky without worrying about stuff like that

As an aside, I've averaged 40mpg whilst running in the KTM - can't wait to see what it'll do now I can use ALL the revs.............................

Andres

 

[Bendy toy]

My GS washed the front out left on a traffic island in heavy rain. A quick right flick on the bars stood the bike up. No drama. No fuss. I should have scared poo-less but it was all so simple.
But they've yet to invent a computer that can do that.