The 2820 screen size is too small in my book
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Phil Reynolds said:
Did you try it with the audio jack plugged in ??
Quite often with clever gizmos, the menu item isn't enabled until it's physically available, i.e the audio jack may need to be plugged in.
Just guessing
PS Geoff, I found this for you 'cos you appear to have spat yours out
PanEuropean
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mrTickle said:
mrTickle said:
Press SETTINGS
Press MAP
Press MAP DATA FIELDS
Select NONE
Press OK
Measure map with ruler, and compare size to 2610.
As you can see, it is exactly the same image size (and the same content) as the picture that you posted (shown below).
PanEuropean
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Phil Reynolds said:
Phil:
Do you have a BMW Nav III or a SP 2820? The Nav III does not have an audio out jack on the side of it, for that reason, it does not display that menu item.
I don't have my 2820 with me right now, so, I can't check myself to see how it works. In the meantime, if you have not done so already, perhaps check using the Garmin WebUpdater to make sure you have the latest release of the software. Don't forget that it takes two 'cycles' through WebUpdater to update everything, so, watch the prompts carefully and accept the prompt to 'check for further updates', after the first cycle through.
Fanum might have identified the issue with his thought that the menu only appears if something is actually plugged into the jack. I can't recall, I have been flying a plane for the last 2 weeks and have not used any of these GPSRs for quite a while. Beyond that, I really don't know what would cause a hiss. The technical specifications don't say what impedence the speaker should be. I had a line running from the audio out jack on the 2820 to the sound system of my VW (the factory stereo), and it worked fine for me.
Another thought - this is kind of a shot in the dark - is that if you plan to use custom earplugs on the bike, rather than plugging the earplugs into the jack on the side, you might want to either get a motorcycle power cable that has a jack coming out of it, or just get a bare-end power cable, and tap into the two wires that supply audio out via the 8 pin connector on the back. That might work better than plugging the headset / earplugs into the side of the unit. I think (not 100% sure, though) that the jack on the side of it is intended to deliver music and audio book output to a car stereo, not navigational guidance, music, and books to a headset. If nothing else, doing things that way (getting audio from the end of the cable that goes in the 8 pin connector) would at least let you put the headset jack where you want it on the moto - for example, coming out from under the seat - rather than forcing you to plug into the side of the GPSR and having a loose wire dangling around up front.
Michael
mrTickle said:You're in cuckoo land. Show me where I said any of the above you DICKHEAD
1)You don't like the fact that the screen depicts a more detailed image, but it has not occurred to you to press the zoom button to view the image at the same size as your previous GPSR.
I said the screen on the 2810 looses around 1 inch of it's display because it doesn't have transparent tabs - you DICK
[2) You don't like the guidance message across the top, or the time to go fields across the right, but you aren't willing to read the owner manual and find out how to set the display up the way you want it.
Where did I say that - you DICK
3) You think the GPSR was too expensive, but you didn't bother to take 5 minutes to compare the 27xx and 28xx and discover that the 27xx would have given you what you wanted, even though Garmin has a side by side comparison tool available here: Mobile Electronics Product Comparison.
I said the 2610 is far better value than the 2820 - you DICK
4) You're complaining about the sound output of your Autocom intercom, blaming the GPSR, when the problem has nothing to do with the GPSR. It's entirely your fault, you didn't bother to read the part of the user manual that explains how to switch between 'speaker output' and 'line output', depending on what you are feeding the signal to.
I said the hum is there with a pair of headphones connected to it as well and the supplied microphone from Garmin is useless on my unit. And as Phil stated above, there is no Audio Jack option even though it shows it in the manual - you DICK
Just because you brown nose for Garmin doesn't mean I swallow all your B.S. You in fact p1ss me right off. Grow up
I don't have a GPS unit of any kind. I don't know PanEuropean (Michael) either.
I often read the GPS related threads as I am undecided as to whether or not to buy one and find that Michael is a font of considerable knowledge on the subject who freely imparts information to anyone who asks.
In my opinion your last post is deeply offensive mrTickle. If you are unable to have an exchange of views without resorting to personal insult maybe you should just stay quiet.
TxTortoise
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As you can see, it is exactly the same image size (and the same content) as the picture that you posted (shown below).
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PanEuropean said:
I had already decided to respond before I read as far as the post above -
Well done MrTickle - You have single-handedly managed to piss off the one person who responds to every single request for help with Garmin GPS units.
That took some doing, even before adding the insults.
If you are that incensed with your poor choice - stick the unit on ebay and be done with it.
Al
mrTickle
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PanEuropean said:Press SETTINGS
Press MAP
Press MAP DATA FIELDS
Select NONE
Press OK
Measure map with ruler, and compare size to 2610.
As you can see, it is exactly the same image size (and the same content) as the picture that you posted (shown below).
...your picture of the 2820 screen has NO TABS visible. Show me the same picture with the tabs visible and you'll find that the screen display will be 2cm smaller... just like the picture below...
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Get rid - you bought a pup and after having owned the best Streetpilot to date you went for a Nirvana that simply wasn't there, the hype wins today, and whats worse you dragged Reynolds into it, the ultimate GPS numpty, ooh my aching sides 
mrTickle
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Blackal said:
I didn't ask for his advice - you notice he stuck his nose in and was very rude to me first. If I've p1ssed him off, he only has himself to blame. I didn't ask for his purile remarks that are of no help to me whatsovever. He frequents other GPS forums and has excactly the same attitude to anyone that dares to criticise Garmin. He got upset because of my opinion of the 2820, how sad.
He's upset with me because 3 years ago I bought an American 2610, loaded it with Worldmap & City Navigator and never had a problem. The poor chap has never got over it. If he's got a problem with me, he can stick me on his ignore list. The fact of the matter is I am not going to pander to him - he's never helped me with a GPS issue and all the information he has given to me has been a load of nonsense.
If I p1ssed him off GOOD, because he's p1ssed me off
mrTickle said:
Come on Geoff, get off the fence and tell us what you're really thinking!
Greg
metro
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Blackal said:
A lot of other people could be just as helpful, maybe some just don't bother anymore because they know that the font of all knowledge will be along to correct them anyway.
Andy.
bustah
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Greg, you evil swine! go drive an ambulance or something
Llama
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Insults and jibes aside can someone just give me a definative answer:
Are the extra Sat Nav related bits worth paying the additional £200-£300 for on a 2720/2820 over the 2610.
I've had my quest nicked and I want a replacement. MP3, Bluetooth etc. sound good but I don't want to phone anyone on the move and I already have a 2 Gig MP3 player which I use on the bike.
2610's are available for £250 (used), £360 (refurb/new) whereas 2720's are £590-ish.
Is it worth paying the extra, bearing in mind I was pretty happy with my Quest.
Before anyone says anything: I have done a search and read until my eyes bled, and I've used the Garmin comparitor.
I can see that the main differences are the TMC and proximity alerts and some increase in processor speed. All good things I know but are they worth the extra. The TMC & warnings I will have to judge for myself, as for processor speed I was happy with the speed of my quest so I'm guessing the 2610 will be okay.
Its all the other bits that don't appear in the manual which only surface with use such as the user interface which is causing so much grief here.
A long babbling post in which I've possibly answered my own question but to summarise.
If I save myself £200 and go for a 2610 will I be stupid or content?
Answers on a postcard please, to.........
Are the extra Sat Nav related bits worth paying the additional £200-£300 for on a 2720/2820 over the 2610.
I've had my quest nicked and I want a replacement. MP3, Bluetooth etc. sound good but I don't want to phone anyone on the move and I already have a 2 Gig MP3 player which I use on the bike.
2610's are available for £250 (used), £360 (refurb/new) whereas 2720's are £590-ish.
Is it worth paying the extra, bearing in mind I was pretty happy with my Quest.
Before anyone says anything: I have done a search and read until my eyes bled, and I've used the Garmin comparitor.
I can see that the main differences are the TMC and proximity alerts and some increase in processor speed. All good things I know but are they worth the extra. The TMC & warnings I will have to judge for myself, as for processor speed I was happy with the speed of my quest so I'm guessing the 2610 will be okay.
Its all the other bits that don't appear in the manual which only surface with use such as the user interface which is causing so much grief here.
A long babbling post in which I've possibly answered my own question but to summarise.
If I save myself £200 and go for a 2610 will I be stupid or content?
Answers on a postcard please, to.........
my 2p...
i have a 2610 which works great as a GPS. i have used a 2710 alongside it & i might buy one of those as a replacement but i wouldn't be too bothered either way.
2720 screen is better & 3d view is nice but it appears no faster at doing near identical route calculations as my 2610
i have concluded that the apparent lack of routing configuration on the 2710 is something of a red herring. the sliders on the 2610 are so course in effect as to do nothing in practice that the 2720 doesn't do with one click.
if i need a GPS speed camera warning thing, i'll buy a stand alone device which would get more use than a very nickable GPS unit that i usually don't need day to day.
if i want music, i'll buy a stand alone mp3 player. i bet the 2820 is pretty shit at that in comparison.
WTF wants to answer the phone while riding anyhow?
the fact that the tabs cannot be made transparent in the later models does impinge a bit on effective screen size. i know you can get the same detail on both, but the map area is smaller. it's all a question of resolution.
garmin have definitely made a big mistake if they cannot rectify that in software IMO.
i have a 2610 which works great as a GPS. i have used a 2710 alongside it & i might buy one of those as a replacement but i wouldn't be too bothered either way.
2720 screen is better & 3d view is nice but it appears no faster at doing near identical route calculations as my 2610
i have concluded that the apparent lack of routing configuration on the 2710 is something of a red herring. the sliders on the 2610 are so course in effect as to do nothing in practice that the 2720 doesn't do with one click.
if i need a GPS speed camera warning thing, i'll buy a stand alone device which would get more use than a very nickable GPS unit that i usually don't need day to day.
if i want music, i'll buy a stand alone mp3 player. i bet the 2820 is pretty shit at that in comparison.
WTF wants to answer the phone while riding anyhow?
the fact that the tabs cannot be made transparent in the later models does impinge a bit on effective screen size. i know you can get the same detail on both, but the map area is smaller. it's all a question of resolution.
garmin have definitely made a big mistake if they cannot rectify that in software IMO.
bustah said:
Greg
I had a very pleasant lunch with Michael on Tuesday. He said the reason he frequented this forum even though he doesn't have a BM (yet ) was we were all such a nice bunch of people. 
Personally I've found his assistance on matters GPS extremely helpful; greatly assisted by his lucid style of writing.
Llama, I've been having the same internal debate as you. I think the only thing that I personally would really benefit from (as opposed to "be quite nice to have") is the proximity alerts. But you can still have speed cameras (if that is what you are thinking of) on the 2610 but without warnings & get into the habit of scanning the screen every so often. Not ideal but not worth the cost of change for me (yet!). BTW, will you miss the portability and internal battery of the Quest? Have you considered the 276c which many seem to really like?
Paul
) was we were all such a nice bunch of people. Personally I've found his assistance on matters GPS extremely helpful; greatly assisted by his lucid style of writing.
Llama, I've been having the same internal debate as you. I think the only thing that I personally would really benefit from (as opposed to "be quite nice to have") is the proximity alerts. But you can still have speed cameras (if that is what you are thinking of) on the 2610 but without warnings & get into the habit of scanning the screen every so often. Not ideal but not worth the cost of change for me (yet!). BTW, will you miss the portability and internal battery of the Quest? Have you considered the 276c which many seem to really like?
Paul
Aidan1150 said:
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Llama
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Paul Wakefield said:
Paul
Yes it was the speed camera bit I was thinking about and only I can decide if thats worth the extra dosh. It mainly whether there are any other benefits the 27xx has over the 26xx that don't appear in the garmin bumf.
Wrt the portability of the quest. I have used it a couple of time to find cinemas when on foot when I'm staying away from home in hotels in a few places. But I could have just have easily asked the Receptionist for directions. I do have an old Etrex which I can use for 'foot navigation' so I feel happy that I can do without.
To be honest I was happy with the quest and I still have a Ram bike mount on the GS so it would probably be easier to just get another one. But I'm a bloke and I see this as an opportunity to buy a new toy. You know how it is
Wrt the 276c I will have look at this but unfortunately you cant do a direct comparison on the Garmin site.
Cookie
From what you've said it would seem that I would probably be more than happy with the 2610, thanks for that. But am I right in thinking that the 2610 doesn't have 3D view?
Ralph
I very much doubt if Pan will respond to this sort of gutter language.mrTickle said:
mrTickle, you obviously didn't do your homework before buying your new toy - more fool you. And if the 2610 was so perfect, why did you change?
There's nothing wrong with a good whinge, but you might reflect that Pan is someone who can pass constructive ideas 'up the chain.' You do none of us any favours if your arrogant, offensive & crude remarks cause him to abandon this forum. He would be missed. I wonder how many would miss you?
