This is a good bike, but..............

Davy F

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Did the arrival of the 2004 R1200GS Hexhead divide opinion much the same as the new WC has for quite a few GS owners ? I bought a 12GS in 2005 and didn't know at the time just how divisive the release of the 2004 12GS was and I wonder what the reactions of the old 1150 crowd at the time were considering that even today there still seems to be quite a void between owners of the 1150 and 1200 models ?

I took the new GS out for a spin as the sun was out, the roads dry and I made an effort to organize a demo ride. Unluckily, I was limited to only two hours as the bike was needed for NW200 duties later that day, but never the less, I headed off with great expectation and hope that this new model would reignite my fire for the brand, just like the 12GS did back in '04 when I first rode one.

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Now, there's no doubting that this isn't anything but an acomplished motorcycle. The new engine seems smoother and obviously, the extra power that it now comes with is very noticable. But it lacks the character of the old air/oil cooled donkey and appears to me to actually be rather bland. Wind the throttle back and it certainly shoots forward with gusto, but there doesn't seem to be any drama going on. OK, it's not turbine smooth like a Jap Four, especially with noticable vibes coming through while cruising at 80ish mph, but that boxer feel just isn't there anymore to the same degree. What I did feel that I didn't like was how clunky the gearbox has become on the new model. My old '05 12GS had a really nice 'box and it snuck into first gear like a Ninja assassin sneaking behind your back to stick his Samuri sword into you. And the amount of missed gears I found was annoying as it seems that BMW have employed crab footed development riders to design the footpeg/gearlever ergos. I suppose many would say that you need to get it set up for the individual, but I've never had this problem on any other manufacturers demo bikes I've ridden.

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I also take it that with time spent on the bike, the info panel within the clocks would become second nature, but initally I found it wasn't as intuitive as its main competitor, the KTM 1190. And what's with the tiny numbers on the speedo about ? C'mon Herr BMW, we're all getting older with failing eyesight and because the bike is so much quicker than the last model, keeping an eye on what speed you're doing is made harder by making the figures difficult to read at a glance. Maybe it's a ploy to cater for younger riders and to get all the old farts off the GS series.

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I was able to have just enough time to take the bike down my favourite roads and was impressed with how the bike handled. Yes, this is still a very capable bike and experiancing the lack of dive from the front forks combined with the very strong brakes reminded me just how good a GS is at floating over road imperfections giving the rider the confidence to hustle on in an unseemly manner. It still doesn't give the ultimate feedback of, dare I say again, the KTM 1190 ? But it is an undeniably good package and I have no doubt that the different suspension modes work very well as I do think BMW are the leaders in this field. The riding position was the usual wide bar upright stance and swinging the bike side to side through the corners was so easy.

In summary, I think that the new WC will appeal to many riders that haven't considered the brand before. Yes, loads of GS fanatics will think that criticisms will be akin to heresy and those that don't agree with the expected platitudes should be burnt at the stake. But when you set yourself up as the top dog, you have to expect others to take a pop at you, especially when the latest and greatest doesn't have the same appeal to many people in the ever improving adventure bike market.

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Maybe for me, and unlike the many new owners, it's a slow burner. However, I think back to how I felt when first riding the 2004 Hexhead and how that bike seemed so full of character. As I hinted earlier in my report, this bike has lost something for me and I don't think that a longer ride will significantly change my mind and that there's now a more impressive machine out there in an nice orange colour. And that machine did give me the fizz that the GS has lost in an even more explosive package.
 
Maybe for me, and unlike the many new owners, it's a slow burner. However, I think back to how I felt when first riding the 2004 Hexhead and how that bike seemed so full of character. As I hinted earlier in my report, this bike has lost something for me and I don't think that a longer ride will significantly change my mind and that there's now a more impressive machine out there in an nice orange colour. And that machine did give me the fizz that the GS has lost in an even more explosive package.[/QUOTE]

We are all getting older :rob
 
Davy, always enjoy your test reports but reading between the lines have you ordered the KTM yet????:beerjug:

Rumour has it he's been speaking with a funny accent and wearing some bbc sport freebies - looks like he's joined the clan / clones :D

(Seems he was riding a diff LC to the one I rode ) :augie
 
Could give the same report on the KTMs as had many and always found that spending many hours and pounds on the standard bike it only delivers a bike which only ever came close to the BMW ( Hex Head ) the new one is brtilliant , i sold my 2010 Ducati Mulistrada S and have not regreated it at all , this new bike is good and fills so many voids other bikes ( including KTM , Ducati , and the last GS) have only ever tried to fill.
I feel that even as a so called Beta tester i am F--in happy .. in fact extatic..
Happy Days to all that have taken the plunge to enjoy a bike that exceededs all :friday
 
Tbh the only fault i was able to find riding the demo was the inboard gearstick that allowed me to miss up changes but i did not let it put me off and found it hard to fault it compared to my TC, obviously peeps have said the fuelling and throttle are/is erratic but i suppose that depends on what your used to riding .

When I finally got my bike it felt hugely better than the demo bike so was even more pleased, i than set about fixing the gearstick issue by making a spacer and now its perfect.
 
It would appear that most folks who are testing the new bike are making direct comparisons to the old 1200 the 1200tc and on some occasions even the 1150 ?
Lets remember this is a brand new bike 5 years in the development and not one part that is shared with a predecessor, which would suggest to me that the bike is going to be different !
If I'd have jumped on the bike and it felt exactly like my TC there would have been no point in throwing my hard earned at a new one, however it felt nothing like my TC.
After picking my bike up on Friday I've only managed 200mls but this is a bike that I feel I'm going to seriously enjoy.

I hate the indicators with a vengeance, but I'll adapt and seeing as they're only used for a very small percentage of the time it's not a problem.

For the folks that are having gearbox problems I urge you to have a look at the nub on the side stand,it's not always obvious that your foot is being restricted by it when you go to change gear,but I've bent mine down an inch and I'm having no gearbox problems at all, quite the reverse in fact,apart from a distinctive clunk when going into first the rest of the gear changes are smooth as silk for 95% of the time.

Please, please ,don't make the mistake of comparing this bike with anything that has gone before it,embrace it for what it is.

A very fine motorcycle that is more than capable in the majority of situations,
and an absolute hoot to ride.

Steve
 
Character....yea right..

People always go on about the new GS not having the "character" of the old 200* bike etc, etc.

Just like every time a m/c mag does a test on a Moto Guzzi, always not up to modern spec/standard, but has "character" (and I've had quite a few Guzzis in my time)
Is this "character" just a lot of sub standard behaviour trates on said bikes which have been ironed out on newer bikes. And, do we just work around these trates and eventually get used to this "character"..:nenau
 
It would appear that most folks who are testing the new bike are making direct comparisons to the old 1200 the 1200tc and on some occasions even the 1150 ?
Lets remember this is a brand new bike 5 years in the development and not one part that is shared with a predecessor, which would suggest to me that the bike is going to be different !
If I'd have jumped on the bike and it felt exactly like my TC there would have been no point in throwing my hard earned at a new one, however it felt nothing like my TC.
After picking my bike up on Friday I've only managed 200mls but this is a bike that I feel I'm going to seriously enjoy.

I hate the indicators with a vengeance, but I'll adapt and seeing as they're only used for a very small percentage of the time it's not a problem.

For the folks that are having gearbox problems I urge you to have a look at the nub on the side stand,it's not always obvious that your foot is being restricted by it when you go to change gear,but I've bent mine down an inch and I'm having no gearbox problems at all, quite the reverse in fact,apart from a distinctive clunk when going into first the rest of the gear changes are smooth as silk for 95% of the time.

Please, please ,don't make the mistake of comparing this bike with anything that has gone before it,embrace it for what it is.

A very fine motorcycle that is more than capable in the majority of situations,
and an absolute hoot to ride.

Steve

Absolutely Steve, you've hit the nail on the head.:thumby:
 
It would appear that most folks who are testing the new bike are making direct comparisons to the old 1200 the 1200tc and on some occasions even the 1150 ?
Lets remember this is a brand new bike 5 years in the development and not one part that is shared with a predecessor, which would suggest to me that the bike is going to be different !
If I'd have jumped on the bike and it felt exactly like my TC there would have been no point in throwing my hard earned at a new one, however it felt nothing like my TC.
After picking my bike up on Friday I've only managed 200mls but this is a bike that I feel I'm going to seriously enjoy.

I hate the indicators with a vengeance, but I'll adapt and seeing as they're only used for a very small percentage of the time it's not a problem.

For the folks that are having gearbox problems I urge you to have a look at the nub on the side stand,it's not always obvious that your foot is being restricted by it when you go to change gear,but I've bent mine down an inch and I'm having no gearbox problems at all, quite the reverse in fact,apart from a distinctive clunk when going into first the rest of the gear changes are smooth as silk for 95% of the time.

Please, please ,don't make the mistake of comparing this bike with anything that has gone before it,embrace it for what it is.

A very fine motorcycle that is more than capable in the majority of situations,
and an absolute hoot to ride.

Steve

+2 ... Well said:thumb

I had a 57 plate 1200 (MY04) before and loved it. Lost it in an accident 19 months befor I got the new one and didn't ride a GS in between so difficult for me to compare but I do like this new one a lot.. I think some people are expecting too much from it and can't really fault it so, are picking on some small issues which can be simply changed like your side stand. I don't have a problem with the gear box. In fact it's one of the best I've ever had and the clunk in to first seems of have almost gone. As for in and out of gears...it's lovely.

I too, don't care for the indicators but hey ho! Change can some times be good but you don't see it, at first.

:)
 
+3

Character is hard to define. Some of it comes from the shortfalls in a bike that we learn to live with, other aspects are to do with how it handles and performs. There's no doubt the new GS has oodles of character, but it's not the same character as the old GS, it's a different bike.

But it is certainly a great bike. BMWs investment and development has produced something special. The bike is capable and a hoot to ride, and well equipped.

Is it perfect? Absolutely not, there will never be a perfect bike. Not least because we all want something different - no bike or manufacturer will ever totally dominate the market. But it is one of the most compelling ever made.

Is it better than the Multistrada or KTM? Well I haven't ridden the KTM, but it also sounds like a fantastic bike. The 'strada is good too, and I know from first hand experience. But they are a different proposition in terms of dealer support, build quality, looks, accessories, cost, etc and there are elements of the GS that when considered together make the GS the best overall proposition for me.

Why this forum attracts a plague of people who just enjoy being liberal with their criticism of the bike this forum is here to support I'm not sure. And i'm not knocking those who test the bike and just speak plainly about the things they didn't like - that's fair play. It's those who come to this forum almost daily, some of whom haven't even ridden the bike, just to be negative.

50,000 miler bikes will start to tell us whether the new GS has any major flaws, but to date this bike is showing great promise. And it looks like almost every new owner is just blown away by their purchase. Buyers remorse does not seem to be a trait of the new GS.
 
Please, please ,don't make the mistake of comparing this bike with anything that has gone before it,embrace it for what it is.


Can't really agree with that statement as BMW themselves rely on people making the connection to the GS lineage, history and mystique that has built up over 30 odd years now. To want people to dismiss what has gone before isn't doing the new bike any justice either. I do understand that people who have bought the new GS are going to be defensive towards it, I guess I would too if I'd spent a serious wedge of cash on one, but sometimes it seems that certain folk feel they need to cry foul in order to rationalise their expensive layout when others who have tried the bike don't think it's as good as either previous models or as good as it might have been. Bear in mind, this is only my opinion and as I did say, it is still a good bike. But I do not think it is the best bike for me compared to others on the market.
 
Can't really agree with that statement as BMW themselves rely on people making the connection to the GS lineage, history and mystique that has built up over 30 odd years now. To want people to dismiss what has gone before isn't doing the new bike any justice either. I do understand that people who have bought the new GS are going to be defensive towards it, I guess I would too if I'd spent a serious wedge of cash on one, but sometimes it seems that certain folk feel they need to cry foul in order to rationalise their expensive layout when others who have tried the bike don't think it's as good as either previous models or as good as it might have been. Bear in mind, this is only my opinion and as I did say, it is still a good bike. But I do not think it is the best bike for me compared to others on the market.

I've bought one as you all know. I think its an awesome bike. I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks.:rob:D:beerjug:
 
Can't really agree with that statement as BMW themselves rely on people making the connection to the GS lineage, history and mystique that has built up over 30 odd years now. To want people to dismiss what has gone before isn't doing the new bike any justice either. I do understand that people who have bought the new GS are going to be defensive towards it, I guess I would too if I'd spent a serious wedge of cash on one, but sometimes it seems that certain folk feel they need to cry foul in order to rationalise their expensive layout when others who have tried the bike don't think it's as good as either previous models or as good as it might have been. Bear in mind, this is only my opinion and as I did say, it is still a good bike. But I do not think it is the best bike for me compared to others on the market.

As BWM themselves have said after 32 years of development they are now engaging on a new chapter.

As I read it,yes they want us to remember it's lineage but they don't want us to compare it.

Steve
 
As BWM themselves have said after 32 years of development they are now engaging on a new chapter.


What BMW actually said was :

For 32 years, the BMW Motorrad GS has been defining and dominating the segment of travel enduros. No other motorcycle is such an uncompromising embodiment of freedom and adventure, reliability and riding dynamics, and ultimately pure riding pleasure both on and off the road. BMW Motorrad is now embarking on the next chapter of its success story – with the new R 1200 GS.
 


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