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Really ?
Wow you are easily pleased
Where are you getting 9% increase from BHP ?
R1250 = 134.1
R1200 = 125.0
Would you agree then that, the marginally noticeable increase in power is "Streets ahead" of the last of the 1200's ?
I'm really hoping this 1300 is "Streets ahead" of my !200 Rallye GSA, which has all the same elec-trickary as the current 1250's. If its not, Ill be keep the Rallye for a while more. I skipped the Air cooled 1200's with my 1150 for similar reasons. Then the 1200LC came out and i thought it was a "streets ahead" bike to change up!
I bet the 1250 Boyos are furious there isn't a 1250 independent section here on UKgser
Wow you are easily pleased
Where are you getting 9% increase from BHP ?
R1250 = 134.1
R1200 = 125.0
Would you agree then that, the marginally noticeable increase in power is "Streets ahead" of the last of the 1200's ?
I'm really hoping this 1300 is "Streets ahead" of my !200 Rallye GSA, which has all the same elec-trickary as the current 1250's. If its not, Ill be keep the Rallye for a while more. I skipped the Air cooled 1200's with my 1150 for similar reasons. Then the 1200LC came out and i thought it was a "streets ahead" bike to change up!
I bet the 1250 Boyos are furious there isn't a 1250 independent section here on UKgser
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1) From MCN, on the same Dyno.Really ?
Wow you are easily pleased
Where are you getting 9% increase from BHP ?
R1250 = 134.1
R1200 = 125.0
Would you agree then that, the marginally noticeable increase in power is "Streets ahead" of the last of the 1200's ?
I'm really hoping this 1300 is "Streets ahead" of my !200 Rallye GSA, which has all the same elec-trickary as the current 1250's. If its not, Ill be keep the Rallye for a while more. I skipped the Air cooled 1200's with my 1150 for similar reasons. Then the 1200LC came out and i thought it was a "streets ahead" bike to change up!
I bet the 1250 Boyos are furious there isn't a 1250 independent section here on UKgser
2) Never claimed it is 'streets ahead'
Not sure about the 1250 being streets ahead of the 1200LC, but I do find it better than my old TC. That was a great bike, I did have it for 10 years.
Back to the thread, I am going to be sent a replacement level sensor and will fit it myself. Would of liked to have keep the broken one fitted, to see how long the repair lasts, but the dealer needs it back to return it to BMW.
Back to the thread, I am going to be sent a replacement level sensor and will fit it myself. Would of liked to have keep the broken one fitted, to see how long the repair lasts, but the dealer needs it back to return it to BMW.
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Just stickers and a bit more power….
Blinkered or what?
There is plenty information out there, about the improved lights, improved traction control system, new features in dynamic pro.
Some information below if you are interested.
www.lonerider-motorcycle.com
I test rode the late version s 1000 xr and a few months later the r1250gs. The improvements on the 1250 over the previous 1200 are there and become more apparent once you fine tune the dynamic pro.
This does not make the previous 1200 a bad bike, just makes the 1250 much improved.
Blinkered or what?
There is plenty information out there, about the improved lights, improved traction control system, new features in dynamic pro.
Some information below if you are interested.
BMW R 1250 GS: Electronic Wizardry Explained
Here we’ll take a dive into the electronic wizardry housed inside BMW’s flagship adventure bike. We’ll explain what all the acronyms mean and how they work.
www.lonerider-motorcycle.com
I test rode the late version s 1000 xr and a few months later the r1250gs. The improvements on the 1250 over the previous 1200 are there and become more apparent once you fine tune the dynamic pro.
This does not make the previous 1200 a bad bike, just makes the 1250 much improved.
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Get over yourself. It's the same bike, with a few subtle changes.
Hardly noticeable.
Blinkered? No, just realistic.
If you want a new, different bike, look at the 1300 when it's launched.
You should demand BHT gives you a separate forum for the 1250
Hardly noticeable.
Blinkered? No, just realistic.
If you want a new, different bike, look at the 1300 when it's launched.
You should demand BHT gives you a separate forum for the 1250
To the majority of bikers more electronic wizardry is totally irrelevant. Once you realise this things become simpler. I never faff with things like modes etc, just leave it in tour.Just stickers and a bit more power….
Blinkered or what?
There is plenty information out there, about the improved lights, improved traction control system, new features in dynamic pro.
Some information below if you are interested.
BMW R 1250 GS: Electronic Wizardry Explained
Here we’ll take a dive into the electronic wizardry housed inside BMW’s flagship adventure bike. We’ll explain what all the acronyms mean and how they work.
I test rode the late version s 1000 xr and a few months later the r1250gs. The improvements on the 1250 over the previous 1200 are there and become more apparent once you fine tune the dynamic pro.
This does not make the previous 1200 a bad bike, just makes the 1250 much improved.
BMW designs are Fantastic bur build quality is poor. If they built them as well as they design them I’d still be riding one.
General build quality, I'd argue is high. Reliability of individual parts can be sketchy for certain bits but the fact is you always hear the bad stuff on forums and rarely that a bike's covered say 50K miles without anything other than regular maintenance. I recently did a little digging and there are a surprising number of 1200LC boxers about which have 100+ K miles on them, most with nothing other than regular maintenance. One in particular impressed. Owner had never had to touch valve timing or even re-shim the head in 100K miles allegedly (!) but did need to replace the clutch.
I've owned a lot of bikes over the years and the bikes that BMW are churning out now are very impressive in fit, finish and engine reliability. Yes, if you want the most reliable motors, Japanese IL4s are the way to go with Suzuki, Kawasaki and Honda in particular making some utterly bomb proof examples. Look at Bruce (teapotone) with his round the world Suzuki with 100K miles on it! They have it down to a fine art and produce way more of the world market than BMW.
When it comes to big tourers or adv bikes, BMW are as good as anything else out there and better than some (KTM for example?). People like to moan though about what are niggles, lack of maintenance issues and electronic limited life things which should be considered consumables. BMW cars are another matter. I wouldn't touch any modern German made car. The horror stories about some of them are entirely deserved. I think that the demographic buying bikes has changed a lot. They used to be bought and run by mostly commuters and tourers who did a lot of their own maintenance and knew how to look after them. Most of the bikes from the era I started riding big bikes were not too clever in reliability and needed way more fettling. Yamaha's sodium filled valve stems used to stretch valves and burn them out (on both big Yams I had), Italian bikes would fall apart in front of your eyes and electric starters fail the moment you wheeled one out of the showroom. I put up over 100 thousand miles commuting and can say hand on heart that modern production boxers are vastly more reliable than most that came before. I was always fiddling to keep my R100RT in tune, had to carry spare plugs as it ate them, had to do regular valve clearance checks and adjustments, had multiple front wheelbearing failures, suffered from the dreaded cracked alloy spokes and many other issues that I had to look after myself. It stayed on the road and covered over 44K miles before I chopped it in for an FJ1100 which had low miles and despite this burnt it's exhaust valves out within a year costing me a small fortune to repair, ditto my 750 Super Ten which suffered the same fate. Build quality on that was crap.
Modern machinery and EU emmission controsl have necessarily made bikes more complex but for all that I'd argue they're more reliable today. ESA may or may not need new shocks at 25K but I'd be looking to refurbish or replace any shock at that mileage and you always have the choice of fitting mechanical Ohlins, Wilbur or similar if you don't want the problems.
I've owned a lot of bikes over the years and the bikes that BMW are churning out now are very impressive in fit, finish and engine reliability. Yes, if you want the most reliable motors, Japanese IL4s are the way to go with Suzuki, Kawasaki and Honda in particular making some utterly bomb proof examples. Look at Bruce (teapotone) with his round the world Suzuki with 100K miles on it! They have it down to a fine art and produce way more of the world market than BMW.
When it comes to big tourers or adv bikes, BMW are as good as anything else out there and better than some (KTM for example?). People like to moan though about what are niggles, lack of maintenance issues and electronic limited life things which should be considered consumables. BMW cars are another matter. I wouldn't touch any modern German made car. The horror stories about some of them are entirely deserved. I think that the demographic buying bikes has changed a lot. They used to be bought and run by mostly commuters and tourers who did a lot of their own maintenance and knew how to look after them. Most of the bikes from the era I started riding big bikes were not too clever in reliability and needed way more fettling. Yamaha's sodium filled valve stems used to stretch valves and burn them out (on both big Yams I had), Italian bikes would fall apart in front of your eyes and electric starters fail the moment you wheeled one out of the showroom. I put up over 100 thousand miles commuting and can say hand on heart that modern production boxers are vastly more reliable than most that came before. I was always fiddling to keep my R100RT in tune, had to carry spare plugs as it ate them, had to do regular valve clearance checks and adjustments, had multiple front wheelbearing failures, suffered from the dreaded cracked alloy spokes and many other issues that I had to look after myself. It stayed on the road and covered over 44K miles before I chopped it in for an FJ1100 which had low miles and despite this burnt it's exhaust valves out within a year costing me a small fortune to repair, ditto my 750 Super Ten which suffered the same fate. Build quality on that was crap.
Modern machinery and EU emmission controsl have necessarily made bikes more complex but for all that I'd argue they're more reliable today. ESA may or may not need new shocks at 25K but I'd be looking to refurbish or replace any shock at that mileage and you always have the choice of fitting mechanical Ohlins, Wilbur or similar if you don't want the problems.
J biker
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My 4th BMW with no quality issues, no failures. More than can be said of the three Ducati. All had parts failure, poor quality and reliability issues.
Anyway, pleased that GSADavidZH2 has made some progress with the problem.
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