Had my new TE for just under a week and and not noticed and issues, I found my 2013 LC light at direct compared to my twin-cam but it only took about 10 mins to adjust, if that.
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Had my new TE for just under a week and and not noticed and issues, I found my 2013 LC light at direct compared to my twin-cam but it only took about 10 mins to adjust, if that.
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Picking nits: Dyna can be a bit abrupt when picking the bike up out of a slow corner, and Road does have a bit of a flat spot (which makes me prefer Dyna for spirited riding), but in general I think the fueling is pretty good for OEM. Its certainly not bad enough that I think a remap is mandatory. YMMV.
He will say that, as his business is remapping, and he wouldnt want to scare customers off.
In reality though, if a dealer can or can't see a remap, warranty work is their bread and butter, so a lot of dealers would turn a blind eye, unless the remap has caused the issue, in which case the remap company would be liable for the repair.
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Why would somebody running such a successful and highly regarded business lie? If he were bullshiting you can be sure it would have come back to bite him on the arse by now?
Also, not that I'm a pedant, but Hilltop do not load a new map. The base level firmware is altered. The map stays the same. This is why a dealer cannot see anything and also, why, if updated maps are loaded onto the bike by a dealer it won't affect the work carried out by Hilltop.
The only people that can see altered firmware are Hilltop or another outfit with the same kit or the factory. Dealers can only see maps.
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Also, not that I'm a pedant, but Hilltop do not load a new map. The base level firmware is altered. The map stays the same. This is why a dealer cannot see anything and also, why, if updated maps are loaded onto the bike by a dealer it won't affect the work carried out by Hilltop.
The only people that can see altered firmware are Hilltop or another outfit with the same kit or the factory. Dealers can only see maps.
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There's probably more chance of a warranty claim being rejected if there is a bit of hardware there that could be attributed to the failure, they could in theory say "No Mr Nutty, we think your GSA has blown up because of these shiny new header's you have fitted"
I'm surprised at Paul's experience, maybe the map changed the checksum or modified the flashcounter, maybe BMW cars, with BMW's very extensive database of a car's history have a record of what certain ECU parameter's were when the car rolled off the line, and compared them with the parameters it saw when the turbo problem occurred. If the ECU had to be removed to flash it, and it could not be done through the ODBII port then it would have lost comm's with other ECU's on the car, so maybe that highlighted something. I'd accept that BMW UK or the Factory could see an ECU's software had been altered in some way, but i'm not convinced the dealer diagnostics could see it, unless it was a map that involved the removal of the ECU (Which Hilltop's does not)
I've no qualms going back to Geoff for a map, and as I mentioned earlier, had a warranty claim go through without issue for gearbox work on my GSA which was post remap.
A couple of trusted VAG Tuners I use have the full VAS System for VAG cars in their shop, and also perform maps, they can't see the maps using VAS that have been uploaded via the ODBII Port.
Anyway, what was this thread about again
I'm surprised at Paul's experience, maybe the map changed the checksum or modified the flashcounter, maybe BMW cars, with BMW's very extensive database of a car's history have a record of what certain ECU parameter's were when the car rolled off the line, and compared them with the parameters it saw when the turbo problem occurred. If the ECU had to be removed to flash it, and it could not be done through the ODBII port then it would have lost comm's with other ECU's on the car, so maybe that highlighted something. I'd accept that BMW UK or the Factory could see an ECU's software had been altered in some way, but i'm not convinced the dealer diagnostics could see it, unless it was a map that involved the removal of the ECU (Which Hilltop's does not)
I've no qualms going back to Geoff for a map, and as I mentioned earlier, had a warranty claim go through without issue for gearbox work on my GSA which was post remap.
A couple of trusted VAG Tuners I use have the full VAS System for VAG cars in their shop, and also perform maps, they can't see the maps using VAS that have been uploaded via the ODBII Port.
Anyway, what was this thread about again
Hilltop seems to make the bike better than OEM, even decreasing fuel consumption, why then does BM use a map/firmware that appears to be below par. Surely BM has much greater resources for research than any independent, so one wonders why the standard map/firmware can so easily be improved.
Is there a reason that we are missing?
Is there a reason that we are missing?
BMW has to set the bike up for strict emissions testing and so can set the bikes up to run lean, they also have to allow a greater tolerance for varying fuel qualities, temperatures and altitudes around the globe, Hilltop are taking what's already there, and tightening the "electronic" tolerances.
Think of any car rolling off the factory, with a mass produced engine, that has to work with varying fuel types, altitudes and is subject to strict emission control. You have the engine blueprinted, were everything is balanced and matched to extremely fine tolerances. You've added nothing new, no big turbo, no bigger pistons etc etc, just made what was already there, work to it's fullest potential.
It's not that Hilltop know more than BMW, but Hilltop can set the bike up to work better in the UK climate, on UK Fuel, and without being forced to account for emission levels.
if your a type of guy who lays awake at night thinking a sticker might be a modification on your insurance or headers, remap, end can could affect your warranty then id leave it well alone and put up with the shit fueling cos all you'll do is you'll be sweating when it comes to collecting your bike from a service etc..... life's far to short
or twitching!
I don't understand how a remap could NOT be spotted, surely you are changing the memory contents of non-volatile RAM (EEPROM?)Or do they add another box of tricks that takes the original map (memory contents) and change the signals fed to the injectors plugs etc? Which is how I think the power commander things work
If the contents of the the BMW memory are changed then it MUST be visible to any device that reads that memory by simply comparing it to what it should be.
Can someone explain the technical details to me of what exactly people like Hilltop do? I want to understand this stuff.
If the contents of the the BMW memory are changed then it MUST be visible to any device that reads that memory by simply comparing it to what it should be.
Can someone explain the technical details to me of what exactly people like Hilltop do? I want to understand this stuff.
The 'firmware' as you call it is a program and data stored in non volatile memory, if the memory has been changed it can be read back and compared to the original - there is no question about - please explain how this is not possible?
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I might just call them and get them to explain how any changes that they make can't be detected - In the meantime is there anyone on here who can explain it to me?
Another question - does a Hilltop remap or whatever they call it lead to increased emissions and/or increased fuel consumption?
I got better fuel economy from the TC. Time will tell on the LC
Sounds good, I am wondering what, if any, are the downsides - I will give Hilltop a call tomorrow, actually an email might be better, so that I have their reply in writing and can post it verbatim on here
I would like to know both the upsides and downsides, whether or not it could affect my warranty etc 
Let us know what they say, as it would certainly put people's concerns to bed.
I'm seriously thinking about getting it done, as I've heard nothing but positives on here, and anything that will put right any EU restraints that BMW have to put in place can only be a good thing.
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Engineer.... I will if you will !!! I don't live that far away either.
Let us know what they say, as it would certainly put people's concerns to bed.
I will email them tomorrow and see what happens.
You will what? I am a trifle concerned now!
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