To keep the Beta haters happy

[stick]

Are the front pads normal? like, not worn. If they are there MUST be something wrong with the rears, if it was riding style/habits surely front would get the most wear. I don't know about you but I seldom use the back brake in circumstances that would cause wear by riding hard. It's normally at slower speeds.

Front seem fine , they are great , you can stand the bike on its front wheel , but no excessive wear at all . I normally get 3 to 4 k from fronts and … loads from the rear .
Just don’t get it . Once the free pads have gone we will be fettling some 1250 pads to get a comparison.

 

[stick]

it's not unheard of for someone to ride the rear brake pedal if it is not adjusted correctly

Not that , been check , plus it’s a new bike , I also ride toes on pegs so no contact unless I wish to settle or scrub speed from the rear .

 

[turpin]

Just a thought, but would it be worth the effort to buy some Brembo pads from Motorworks etc and try them for a comparison?

 

[pbbanks]

Stick...Are those rear pads the same as on the 1250??? They look the same!

I have a 1300 Trophy with the sports brake calipers and as far as I can tell the rear brake pads from 1250gs will fit the 1300gs.

I have a new spare pair of rear SBS pads I bought for the 1250 but didn't use. I have taken the rear caliper off my 1300 and taken the pads out to check them, 3.6mm of pad wear left after 700miles of use (think they only have about 4mm when new) , so the wear seems ok so far.
The only difference between the pads I've taken out and the SBS 1250gs pads is a slight raised nib on the SBS ones near the end of the pad where the hole is for the retaining pin. Looking at the caliper there is nothing to get in the way of this raised nib and the pads would go in without an
issue. Would be straight forward to file it grind it off anyway.
The photo shows one of the 1300 pads laid on top of one of the 1250gs pads.

 

[stick]

I have a 1300 Trophy with the sports brake calipers and as far as I can tell the rear brake pads from 1250gs will fit the 1300gs.

I have a new spare pair of rear SBS pads I bought for the 1250 but didn't use. I have taken the rear caliper off my 1300 and taken the pads out to check them, 3.6mm of pad wear left after 700miles of use (think they only have about 4mm when new) , so the wear seems ok so far.
The only difference between the pads I've taken out and the SBS 1250gs pads is a slight raised nib on the SBS ones near the end of the pad where the hole is for the retaining pin. Looking at the caliper there is nothing to get in the way of this raised nib and the pads would go in without an
issue. Would be straight forward to file it grind it off anyway.
The photo shows one of the 1300 pads laid on top of one of the 1250gs pads.

Thanks , already on this as have an old set and will take the road of experimentation, just running with the dealer at this time, but in the background……

 

[pbbanks]

Thanks , already on this as have an old set and will take the road of experimentation, just running with the dealer at this time, but in the background……

My original rear ones in my 1300 look to be sintered. The earlier photos of yours with the early wear don't look to be fully sintered.
This is a photo of mine showing part numbers. May explain the problem if they fitted the wrong pads to yours for some strange reason ??.

 

[leadfarmer]

Must admit stick, the browning on your disk looks like they’ve been getting pretty hot, like they’ve been binding

 

[stick]

Must admit stick, the browning on your disk looks like they’ve been getting pretty hot, like they’ve been binding

Yep , pointed that to the dealer and as it’s a new issue they seem to ignore it .but they are beholden to the mother factory and to be honest most folks have sat on the bikes and not run them in yet , so once the weather gets better we may see a pattern , uk bikes as the first service starts again . My dealer has 30 plus bikes out on the start of march ( fair weather pussys ) so let’s see …. Oh still love the bike as did the first one …

 

[Boxerlust]

Looks like they have not programmed the balance right to get excessive wear on the back like I hear people who use the foot brake which activates the front now (STUPID) changes the free play / biting point on the front…Unless the idiots in Brussels mandate a faster wearing organic material in the pads all it takes is some fine tuning on the brake software which you would think they had figured out Before releasing the new bike…But I remember 11 years ago the then all new R1200GS had exactly the Same problem…Some things never change

 

[stick]

My original rear ones in my 1300 look to be sintered. The earlier photos of yours with the early wear don't look to be fully sintered.
This is a photo of mine showing part numbers. May explain the problem if they fitted the wrong pads to yours for some strange reason ??.

Cheers I will have a check .

Must admit stick, the browning on your disk looks like they’ve been getting pretty hot, like they’ve been binding

I have pointed this out but again Germany say they are happy with the checks and measurements, oh well

 

[Tyzer]

Cheers I will have a check .

I have pointed this out but again Germany say they are happy with the checks and measurements, oh well

Happy with rear pads lasting 700 miles ,WTF !

 

[stick]

Happy with rear pads lasting 700 miles ,WTF !

I know ... feel my pain and frustration at the moment , the factory say no , the dealer agrees its not right , but they as the weather gets better they will have more bikes to compare at the 600 mile service and see if there is a pattern , early days so I will be patient and as a foolish Beta Tester will take it on the chin , as the bike is just awesome. Borrowed my mates KTM for a few days , lets not go there lol.

 

[B15ape1981]

As ive said before, i found the standard rear pads on the 1250 fooking shite as well...swiss cheese comes to mind!!

The EBC sintered pads sorted that right out but still get swopped out every service just to make sure.

I understand your frustration Stick with the big German machine saying computer says no...But fook me mate youve paid top dollar for a premium machine(Which i have rode and is fooking awesome as you say), the least they can do is do their homework and chuck in some different uprated pads.

The problem at the minute is their just greedy greedy bastards, there selling these gs's like hot cakes and probably cant make them quick enough at the moment, but in short they couldn't really give a toss about your problem because they've got bikes to sell. BMW's customer care is shite, it was once classed as the best...Not anymore!!!

Best thing you could do, go into your dealer on a Saturday when their mad busy kick up a holy shitstorm of a fuss, make sure every other gs wanker like myself can hear you!!! Watch the fuckers come running to settle you...bet your bike gets sorted then. Sorrry for the rant!!

 

[stick]

As ive said before, i found the standard rear pads on the 1250 fooking shite as well...swiss cheese comes to mind!!

The EBC sintered pads sorted that right out but still get swopped out every service just to make sure.

I understand your frustration Stick with the big German machine saying computer says no...But fook me mate youve paid top dollar for a premium machine(Which i have rode and is fooking awesome as you say), the least they can do is do their homework and chuck in some different uprated pads.

The problem at the minute is their just greedy greedy bastards, there selling these gs's like hot cakes and probably cant make them quick enough at the moment, but in short they couldn't really give a toss about your problem because they've got bikes to sell. BMW's customer care is shite, it was once classed as the best...Not anymore!!!

Best thing you could do, go into your dealer on a Saturday when their mad busy kick up a holy shitstorm of a fuss, make sure every other gs wanker like myself can hear you!!! Watch the fuckers come running to settle you...bet your bike gets sorted then. Sorrry for the rant!!

Agree , but the new rear calliper has not been fitted before , so as yet have no alternative apart from adapting some similar pads , say RS/GS pads which we will do , before I had the issues with the 1250 3k in I never had to even check the rear pads , okay the valves and the guides wore faster lol

 

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I know ... feel my pain and frustration at the moment , the factory say no , the dealer agrees its not right , but they as the weather gets better they will have more bikes to compare at the 600 mile service and see if there is a pattern , early days so I will be patient and as a foolish Beta Tester will take it on the chin , as the bike is just awesome. Borrowed my mates KTM for a few days , lets not go there lol.

id tell those kunts in Germany and your dealer to fk off mate, its not good enough when you are spending the thick end of 20k for them to try and blame you and to have to piss about with extra pads. Have they replaced any other parts, thinking here around the brakes being linked and anything that could cause them to be applied without you hitting the pedal. Have they re flashed the software on the bike?

I think I would put something in writing to the dealer at the very least and ask them to summarise the diagnosis and what they have and haven't ruled out and what the next steps are if the problem remains.

 

[Boxerlust]

Its pretty obvious that the proportioning is not programmed right as the tear gets too much brake pressure when pulling the lever compared on the front as I dont think Stick is too demented dragging the rear because this time the front rotors would be applied too fof whatever stupid reason BMW decided to link the foot brake to the front rotors…Also the pads might be copper free which means more wear and less brake force as I found put on my Camaro getting bigger and heavier rotors but having less bite for whatever stupid CA regulation…Going from 305 to 310 mm but still no 320 which would be helpful for fast A group track riders to dissipate heat and prevent the rotors up front from warping…For the teapots & co the 305s which are lighter would have been plenty as even a smaller 16 liter tank to save even more weight…

 

[pbbanks]

Agree , but the new rear calliper has not been fitted before , so as yet have no alternative apart from adapting some similar pads , say RS/GS pads which we will do , before I had the issues with the 1250 3k in I never had to even check the rear pads , okay the valves and the guides wore faster lol

Is it the "sports" calipers you have on the 1300?.

1250gs (my2022) rear pads fit straight into the 1300gs Trophy sports rear caliper. SBS 674LS are OEM spec for 1250 & are sintered ones.
From SBS cross reference charts :--
"674LS LS - SINTER REAR
OE replacement compound for bikes with sintered pads
Designed for modern high performance, sport and big touring bikes
Sintered compound offering predictable and controllable performance for rear wheel use
Exclusive rear wheel compound formulated according to OEM concept offering ideal front/rear brake balance, to avoid over-braking and rear wheel lock-up.

RACING
Rear brake sintered compound with medium brake performance and long pad life
Recommended for riders using the rear brake occasionally or only slightly entering the turns"

 

[Boxerlust]

If the pads are the same then definitely the software is wrong giving to much brake pressure to the rear or even dragging the pads…Funny thing 11 years ago the then all new 1200GS-LC had the same problem as also getting air in the rear brake causing the foot brake feel spongy…Now it seem when using the foot brake the front feeling spongy or moving the biting point since the foot brake also applies the front which is a very stupid move…! I remember the R1150RT did this too and everybody hated it especially the cops who drag the rear brake and rear brake only on tight parcours competition…Hopefully they get the right software soon and de-link the footbrake !

 

[Boxerlust]

And offer a option for a 24 L or at least 6 gallon tank ! Because not everyone wants to go full-fat ADV if you actually want to ride without having to look for fuel every other hour…Its a BMW and not a poser play toy for fucks sake after all…

 

[Arsey]

And offer a option for a 24 L or at least 6 gallon tank ! Because not everyone wants to go full-fat ADV if you actually want to ride without having to look for fuel every other hour…Its a BMW and not a poser play toy for fucks sake after all…

Will you shut the fuck up you cockwombling mexicancopbumming wankfest