To tight to buy Sat Nav

[James Embrey]

Birdseye
How much do you want for your Sat Nav. I take it that it is bike friendly?

James

 

[Big Lee]

2610`s are very bike friendly Waterproof and a touch screen you can use with gloves on. They were the GSers gps of choice a couple of years ago.
I`m cosidering selling mine for an upgrade too

 

[Norm]

c) How do you think the man in the brightly liveried van with big flashy blue lights navigates to the scene of said accident?

SAT NAV

 

[zerocool]

The TomTom ONE classic has just come down to £89.99 or slightly less in some places, get one of them and stick it in your tank bag. You wont have audio but still got a screen for when you get lost. Plus it will charge off the bike or run on battery.

 

[Deleted account W]

Some people just have no sense of direction sat nav works for them, I have, so manage fine with out. On a recent trip to Slovenia 3 cars, 2 with sat nav me without, I was the only one not to make cock-ups after rush hour traffic and a smash at munich, I rerouted and sat at 65mph for two hours on the motorway the others rerouted via sat nav then averaged 90mph and they finally caught up at a Austrian border service station, we'd allready drank a coffee.
Another recent trip as a passanger going to Glen Etive, the driver is a sat nav freak, wanted to go the long way round cos tomtom said M8 M80 A84 A85, he went with my route M8 A82 and agreed much quicker. But 11pm in September is dark and when heading at a wet round about at 70mph I shouted BRAKE he repleid oh tomtom didnt know about that island it says straight road ???

I think all this proves is that the people you mention aren't bright enough to use a GPS properly.

A GPS and a good map are the best way to navigate, but the user of both needs to be able to proficiently use and understand both of them

 

[stinkyfeet]

going down unsurfaced roads, taking HGVs down height, weight, width restricted roads etc.

Yeah, uhm... like if you follow the Garmin route for the Channel Tunnel on the French side it takes you up a unsurfaced pot-holed rut, with the motorway on your right and a nice piece of tarmac someway over to your left that you just turned off which runs parallel to the rut, but is ~5 metres shorter so the Garmin goes for the rut.

Reasons for a SatNav:

#1 - Petrol, petrol, petrol.
#2 - Directions to the hotel for the last 10 miles; after 14hrs on the road, avoiding the stress of getting lost and missing a hot shower.
#3 - If you like single-track roads
#4 - Comfort factor, you're never really lost.

Plus it has a power switch.. so you can turn it off.

 

[AdamA]

SAT NAV

You would have won a prise had you not given the answer after I already had.

I think i will get a Garmin 400 which I have since found at £199to help with last 3 or 4 miles in cities, this should help in stopping my being squashed by HGV or likewise on islands as I work out were to go.

Wouldn't choosing somewhere more appropriate to stop do that just as well?

 

[Wapping]

I think all this proves is that the people you mention aren't bright enough to use a GPS properly.

A GPS and a good map are the best way to navigate, but the user of both needs to be able to proficiently use and understand both of them

In one.

You only have to look at the number of posts in the travel section, repeatedly asking for help. It seems some people are perhaps too lazy, or lack sufficient imagination, or simply cannot read a map to do some basic planning.

GPS is excellent for taking one to an exact spot, to an accuracy of about 15 meters. It is also great to guide / prompt you along pre-planned routes dreamed up from a map. But it goes tits up if you have to make a significant detour (and you want to work out something better) or it stops working. I have seen people with no idea where they are to anywhere, as they simply had no map to back themselves up with. We have sat on a dusty road because we had a map of the wrong half of Istanbul, I recall .

The devices are bad for getting the scale of distances, you need a good map for that.

 

[Big Lee]

In one.

You only have to look at the number of posts in the travel section, repeatedly asking for help. It seems some people are perhaps too lazy, or lack sufficient imagination, or simply cannot read a map to do some basic planning.



The devices are bad for getting the scale of distances, you need a good map for that.

It`s always good to get advice about a place you want to go, how many times have people said oh you should`ve went that way instead but going out without a map is too

 

[barneydinosaur]

Quite. So you know EXACTLY what I am getting at with a) then.
You can pull over if you find looking and moving too much.

I still don't get the link between

I suspect that trying to read a map on a bike will ensure a speedy arrival at the nearest A&E.

and

a) Why would anyone have to look at a map or sat nav on the move?

I never suggested the anyone 'had' to do anything.

Ok, I didn’t have my TRC SA hat on the other day (this is a much more easy-going forum…I think).

Let me rephrase my original post.

The OP mentioned that he wanted a tank bag in which to put a map rather than buy a satnav.

I do not feel as if I am in full control of my motorcycle if I try to ride and read a map at the same time because there is often too much information on a map for me to process. I have no evidence but I think that others may be in a similar position and I think it likely that riding while concentrating on something else such as a map is not good practice and probably leads to an increase in risk of an accident.

Under most circumstances, I find that it is much easier and less mentally demanding to put a very simple list of directions in the window of my tank bag as an aid to my memory after having had a good look at the map before starting my journey rather than refer to the map. Of course, if in doubt, I think it would be good practice to stop in a safe place and read the map.

The OP and any other readers might like to consider this observation.

 

[James Embrey]

Am I the OP?
If so i agree that reading a map while riding is dangerous. Possible that it is safer to look at a well mount Sat Nav that is aways at the right page (well i hope so). One of the issues I was getting at is should we depend on Sat Nav as much. I employ older drivers that never use it and have good sense of direction and if the truth be know can't be bothered to learn down to use it, one old boy called Frank is still getting to grips with the phone!
The younger drivers totally depend on it and there for seem to have no clue where places are even if they have been there. These guys go head long into traffic jams etc etc and seem scared to make their own route because the box on dashboard says NO.

I think and combination of common sense, maps and Sat Navs is the answer but Sat Navs seem to cancel out common sense.

James

 

[barneydinosaur]

Am I the OP?

Yes

I think and combination of common sense, maps and Sat Navs is the answer but Sat Navs seem to cancel out common sense.

A good, healthy dose of commonsense usually makes most tools safer to use, including internet fora.

Sadly it is human nature to be lazy and rely on things like satnavs

 

[AdamA]

I still don't get the link

The link is:
Nobody is forcing you to read a map on the move and hence crash. You can stop to read it.

I never suggested the anyone 'had' to do anything.

Nor did I imply you did. I was just highlighting the fact there is no need to look at any navigational aid on the move if you choose not too. However it is possible. And safer to do so with a sat nav.

Are you looking for an argument that isn't there?

I do not feel as if I am in full control of my motorcycle if I try to ride and read a map at the same time because there is often too much information on a map for me to process.

So don't do it. You don't have to. My point.

I have no evidence but I think that others may be in a similar position and I think it likely that riding while concentrating on something else such as a map is not good practice and probably leads to an increase in risk of an accident.

Undoubtedly.
Plenty of people do it with no worries tho.
Some are even trained to.

Are we there yet?

I employ older drivers that never use it and have good sense of direction and if the truth be know can't be bothered to learn down to use it, one old boy called Frank is still getting to grips with the phone!
The younger drivers totally depend on it and there for seem to have no clue where places are even if they have been there. These guys go head long into traffic jams etc etc and seem scared to make their own route because the box on dashboard says NO.

I think and combination of common sense, maps and Sat Navs is the answer but Sat Navs seem to cancel out common sense.

Do you not have anyone in the middle ground?
People that are not Luddite technophobes but have some basic navigational knowledge, common sense and intelligence?

I guess the yoof of today is the issue there. Not sat navs.

 

[GSTourer]

Yaaaaaaaaaaawn !!!

 

[James Embrey]

Bugger all intelligence around these parts. Local beer kills of your brain cells!

 

[AdamA]

Bugger all intelligence around these parts. Local beer kills of your brain cells!

Tastes good tho.

 

[birdseye]

Birdseye
How much do you want for your Sat Nav. I take it that it is bike friendly?

James

email me at severn dot sea dot school at hotmail.co.uk and I can send phots and details. the answer is cheap!!