Tourance vs Tourance EXP my first impression

[snerkler]

Snerkler, put the pressures up to 38/44....................what have you got to lose

Nothing, will try them with more pressure in. Don't know if I'll go that high as BMW recomendation is 32/36psi (2.2/2.5 bar), Metzeler recommendation is 36/42 (2.5/2.9 bar), which is BMW's recommendation fully loaded. The metzeler site only states one pressure though so isn't clear if this pressure is for solo or fully loaded, does anyone have any official info on this?

Had a 2 wheel drift yesterday on gravel, both wheels sliding at the same time...........good fun

Sounds fun, however my skills offroad a practically nil

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Nothing, will try them with more pressure in. Don't know if I'll go that high as BMW recomendation is 32/36psi (2.2/2.5 bar), Metzeler recommendation is 36/42 (2.5/2.9 bar)so will try the Mtez recommendation. On the metzeler site though it doesn't state different pressures for different loads, does anyone have any official info on this?

Sounds fun, however my skills offroad a practically nil

I run 36/42 all the time, solo and if I had a problem i'd go higher, you'll not lose grip

Don't worry I've used 44/48 in torrential rain day after day in Germany and had no loss of grip

 

[snerkler]

I run 36/42 all the time, solo and if I had a problem i'd go higher, you'll not lose grip

Don't worry I've used 44/48 in torrential rain day after day in Germany and had no loss of grip

Will try 36/42
I assume it makes no difference between the 1150 and 1200?

 

[thosoneill]

Nothing, will try them with more pressure in. Don't know if I'll go that high as BMW recomendation is 32/36psi (2.2/2.5 bar), Metzeler recommendation is 36/42 (2.5/2.9 bar), which is BMW's recommendation fully loaded. The metzeler site only states one pressure though so isn't clear if this pressure is for solo or fully loaded, does anyone have any official info on this?

according to metzeler the following pressures are recommended for dual purpose tyres

http://www.metzelermoto.com/web/products/tyre_pressures/default.page

Dual Purpose (750cc & up )

Solo 2 Up Light 2 Up Heavy
Front 2,15-2,30 2,30-2,40 2,40-2,9
Rear 2,40-2,55 2,55-2,70 2,70-2,9

 

[snerkler]

according to metzeler the following pressures are recommended for dual purpose tyres

http://www.metzelermoto.com/web/products/tyre_pressures/default.page

Dual Purpose (750cc & up )

Solo 2 Up Light 2 Up Heavy
Front 2,15-2,30 2,30-2,40 2,40-2,9
Rear 2,40-2,55 2,55-2,70 2,70-2,9

Many thanks for this, don't know why I couldn't find it
So it seems that the page I found saying 2.5 and 2.9 is actually for 2 up and heavy, yet in the spiel at the top of the page you posted says that improved mileage and customer satisfaction is found if emphasis is put on the higher pressures
Inflated mine to 36/42psi (2.5/2.9bar) now so will see what they're like on the run to work tomorrow. If they're overinflated and I have a spill I'll be knocking on JB's door

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

If they're overinflated and I have a spill I'll be knocking on JB's door

All info was given at your own risk and judgement basis

 

[(RIP) andrewgsadv]

Tourance Tyres

Hi Snerkler,
Just read your post and had exactly the same response after switching from exp to originals. Felt weird . (Have run them before on 1150s and 1200).

Fitted new ones at National Tyre Barnsley Friday. They have always done my tyres for my bikes and Julies. Trust them completely. Still look round before I depart. Up to Roundabout to join M1 WTF Always a little nervy on new tyres . So on route home tested out on 2 roundabouts . Weird. When home explain what's occurring to Mrs B and she is concerned and tells me to change them for something better. Being from Yorkshire

Anyway thinking all Trekkie enter the Borg mentality saying to myself Relax Resistance Is Futile. Feel a lot happier about them after a 100 mile jaunt round the Peak District today.
Definitely going to tinker with pressures now ive read the post .Thanks JB and Skywalker for your posts.

Will let you know how much better they feel after pumping them up.

Andrew

 

[snerkler]

Hi Snerkler,
Just read your post and had exactly the same response after switching from exp to originals. Felt weird . (Have run them before on 1150s and 1200).

Fitted new ones at National Tyre Barnsley Friday. They have always done my tyres for my bikes and Julies. Trust them completely. Still look round before I depart. Up to Roundabout to join M1 WTF Always a little nervy on new tyres . So on route home tested out on 2 roundabouts . Weird. When home explain what's occurring to Mrs B and she is concerned and tells me to change them for something better. Being from Yorkshire

Anyway thinking all Trekkie enter the Borg mentality saying to myself Relax Resistance Is Futile. Feel a lot happier about them after a 100 mile jaunt round the Peak District today.
Definitely going to tinker with pressures now ive read the post .Thanks JB and Skywalker for your posts.

Will let you know how much better they feel after pumping them up.

Andrew

Interesting that you've found the same. I'm interested to find out how mine will feel in the morning having raised the pressure right up.

 

[Sgt Bilco]

I use 37 front and 41 rear no matter what the tyre (except TKC's) and the Tourances have always felt excellent and confidence inspiring in any weather.

i think they are a harder compound than the EXP so may just feel a little strange at first.

1st dibs if you want to change them

 

[snerkler]

All info was given at your own risk and judgement basis

Well I got to work OK

Having the tyre pressures up higher does make the Tourances feel a lot better, although still not as confidence inspiring as the EXp's. On my ride to work it suddenly dawned on me how the Tourances feel after coing off the EXP's. They have a very minute feel of driving on knobblies in comparison to raod tyres. Obvioulsy only a fraction of the scale, but there's a hint of that kind of feel none the less. The way they want to push on round corners and feel a bit vague. I guess that's probably due to the slight more off-road bias?

On a side note my tyre pressure sensor read 2.4/2.8 initially, rose to 2.6/2.9 and then fell back down to 2.4/2.8. Now I can understand the rise due to the increase temperature of the tyre when riding, but what I can't explain is why they fell again whilst still riding

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Well I got to work OK

Having the tyre pressures up higher does make the Tourances feel a lot better, although still not as confidence inspiring as the EXp's. On my ride to work it suddenly dawned on me how the Tourances feel after coing off the EXP's. They have a very minute feel of driving on knobblies in comparison to raod tyres. Obvioulsy only a fraction of the scale, but there's a hint of that kind of feel none the less. The way they want to push on round corners and feel a bit vague. I guess that's probably due to the slight more off-road bias?

On a side note my tyre pressure sensor read 2.4/2.8 initially, rose to 2.6/2.9 and then fell back down to 2.4/2.8. Now I can understand the rise due to the increase temperature of the tyre when riding, but what I can't explain is why they fell again whilst still riding

Don't trust TPS for accuracy

Use a proper, decent tyre pressure guage and manually check them............................COLD

I think you're being very sensitive and thus in a way, not trusting the tyres

 

[snerkler]

Don't trust TPS for accuracy

Use a proper, decent tyre pressure guage and manually check them............................COLD

I think you're being very sensitive and thus in a way, not trusting the tyres

I never use TPC to measure tyre pressures, just as a guide when on the bike.I always use a digital tyre pressure guage when altering the pressures, and yes I do it when cold
To be honest I am very sensitive to changes, sensations etc which is a blessing, but also a nuisance at times. I do notice even minor differences, the slightest ridge on the road, or tracking of the tyre etc. This is probably the reason I notice a huge difference in ESA settings whilst some can't feel any difference.
As for trusting the tyres, well I never trust any completely , but I don't trust the Tourance as much as the EXP at the moment that's for sure. I'm also surprised at how much less of a lean angle is potentially available with the Tourance as well as I have much less of a chicken strip on them than I ever did on the EXP's

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I'm also surprised at how much less of a lean angle is potentially available with the Tourance as well as I have much less of a chicken strip on them than I ever did on the EXP's

Tourance = Great tyres, inspire confidence and you can feel just how much grip when even the blocks move

 

[snerkler]

Tourance = Great tyres, inspire confidence and you can feel just how much grip when even the blocks move

I'm sure the tyre is well up to the job, and will surpass my riding skills all day long. I just don't feel as at home on them as I did the EXP's, even thinking back to when I first rode away on the EXP's.
To be honest I've never been hung up on tyres before, and never really given them a thought. I've just got on the bikes and ridden, whether it be the Bridgestones on the Gixxer, the Dunlops (I think; that's jsut how much I paid attention in the past) on the Tiger or the EXP's on the GSA. I never even gave it a thought that I'd be able to tell any difference between the EXP's and Tourance, just expected to et on the bike and ride away as though nothing had changed.
Boy was I wrong, never has a bike felt so alien to me as when I first rode off on the Tourances, it was quite dramatic and very surprising. I'm sure 'll get used to the Tourances, but it was a big wake up call as to how different tyres can make the same bike feel.

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

How many miles have you done on these new tyres? I swapped EXP to the standard ones and the bike was all over the shop for 300 miles min. They started to come together after that and now with 4000 miles on them (they dont need 4000 miles) I came down from lochcarron yesterday with a big grin all the way down to Stirling where the fun stopped and the motorway began. The only thing I can fault them on is the noise they make but the zing really doesn't bother me. I run Bilko's pressures all the time, solo 2 up dry or rain and never had a problem. Same as the others, ignore BWM's pressures. If you don't have many miles on them then give them time and they will perform for you.

 

[snerkler]

How many miles have you done on these new tyres? I swapped EXP to the standard ones and the bike was all over the shop for 300 miles min. They started to come together after that and now with 4000 miles on them (they dont need 4000 miles) I came down from lochcarron yesterday with a big grin all the way down to Stirling where the fun stopped and the motorway began. The only thing I can fault them on is the noise they make but the zing really doesn't bother me. I run Bilko's pressures all the time, solo 2 up dry or rain and never had a problem. Same as the others, ignore BWM's pressures. If you don't have many miles on them then give them time and they will perform for you.

Only done just over 100, so will see. As I said before, I'm sure I'll get used to them, it just took me by surprise. I don't think the noise will bother me as I wear good ear plugs Plus, as good as screen spoilers are I've not found the perfect solution for wind noise so can't hear tyre noise anyway

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Your still in the crap part then. A few more miles and you will be sorted.

 

[snerkler]

Your still in the crap part then. A few more miles and you will be sorted.

OK, thanks. Patience is a virtue that passed me by

 

[(RIP) andrewgsadv]

Snerkler,

Tourance pumped up to suggested pressures and ridden bike in the dry and wet , had started to get happier anyhoo but as JB suggested tyre pressures are the way forward definitely better with a few extra psi. Also the 1150 always felt a little more stable to me the 1200 feels a little more skittish, over that now as on second one . Going out in the poring rain tomorrow hopefully 2 up for final test.

 

[snerkler]

Snerkler,

Tourance pumped up to suggested pressures and ridden bike in the dry and wet , had started to get happier anyhoo but as JB suggested tyre pressures are the way forward definitely better with a few extra psi. Also the 1150 always felt a little more stable to me the 1200 feels a little more skittish, over that now as on second one . Going out in the poring rain tomorrow hopefully 2 up for final test.

Definately feel better with extra psi, but still think the EXP is a better road tyre. Will have to wait and see what extra mileage I get out of the Tourance and weigh this up against the better performance of the EXP. Due to work commitments over the past year and for the next few years annual mileage will only be 5-6k so EXP's will last a year or so which I think's fine. If I get back to 10-12k Tourances might be the better option.