Tree Plotting Ideas?

[Deleted account 250722001]

Your original reply has been deleted. There was nothing 'good natured' about your original response nor this latest, disrespectful and patronising one.
Attempting to disguise your evident lack of knowledge on satnav matters with your dismissive 'bravado' is puerile and does nothing to encourage those who more versed in a particular subject to offer possible solutions and their time to help others.
Perhaps taking a quiet moment to reflect on respecting boundaries, Richard, would not go amiss.
Not impressed young man.

 

[Wapping]

Your original reply has been deleted. There was nothing 'good natured' about your original response nor this latest, disrespectful and patronising one.

Not by me it hasn’t.

What did it say?

 

[Wapping]

There’s a fascinating world of council backed tree recording, mostly using database management systems (probably abbreviated in tech speak to DMS).

No mention of some old boy, who knows the location of each tree and has had no need to write them down, even on the back of an old envelope.

His was a rare skill, trumping technology and, in an energy conscious and cash strapped world, one that should be adopted more wildly.

Maintenance of trees in Lambeth

Trees on streets and in parksLambeth has 19,000 street trees and more than 15,000 trees in its parks. A skilled team is responsible for the routine inspection and maintenance of Lambeth's street and park trees.All trees are inspected on a cyclical basis. We prefer to leave trees to grow to full...

www.lambeth.gov.uk

 

[karlp]

I am sure NewForest Council has something.

When I wanted to locate TPO on trees in my garden I could get a satellite image and the trees were clearly located and numbered

 

[Mzokk]

I was having a think about this (unusual and dangerous but not entirely impossible ). As a first sweep. Why not plonk the tree risk accessor down in front of a computer (preferably with two screens) and if the parish council has Arcgis put on a satellite mapping layer and start recording the co-ordinates of trees and areas.

Failing that, if you don't have a GIS system use Google my maps you can map points and polygons and these can be exported to any GIS system at a later date. The extra screen would be to confirm locations with street view on google maps and or to record lat and long and other data on a spreadsheet.

 

[Wapping]

Could he, accompanied by the OP, walk around the trees and drop a pin in Google maps? Then put the pins into a folder.

PS It’ll be hilarious to learn that the bod has not done a stroke for 30 years, but has sat at home, bring paid. Rather like that Italian school teacher. who made the news a couple of years ago.

 

[SBD]

I was having a think about this (unusual and dangerous but not entirely impossible ). As a first sweep. Why not plonk the tree risk accessor down in front of a computer (preferably with two screens) and if the parish council has Arcgis put on a satellite mapping layer and start recording the co-ordinates of trees and areas.

Failing that, if you don't have a GIS system use Google my maps you can map points and polygons and these can be exported to any GIS system at a later date. The extra screen would be to confirm locations with street view on google maps and or to record lat and long and other data on a spreadsheet.

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Christ on a bike, don’t publish a map with the legend “big rare tree” or some moron will come by night and cut it down!

 

[LOLGEOFF]

Thanks for all your replies everyone. The tree assessor is technically a consultant already and is giving it up completely, as he is a one man band he has no Padawan to pass his knowledge on to. He will be replaced with another Quantified Tree Risk Assessment Inspector but he will need to know which trees to assess. As with a lot of this historic knowledge no one worries about documenting things until they are needed by which time it's too late, but in this instance we are at least trying to document the information before it is too late. Hopefully it only needs to be a one off exercise so we want to do it as cheaply but efficiently as possible. We have access to definitive and planning maps but trying to find where a line on a map, defining land ownership, is in relation to a bare woodland floor is hard to say the least

I'll have a play with some of your suggestions between now and October, if the worse comes to the worse I'll take a 2.5L tub of Trade Vinyl Silk Emulsion, a 2" brush and dab each one he points at.

 

[Wapping]

it’s been a fun thread.

Good luck in the venture.

Given that man’s continued presence on Earth is, in part at least, dependent on lots of healthy trees, keeping those we do have in a happy state is vital. Keep us posted, please.

 

[er-minio]

Geoff: I cannot give advice on methods to mark trees, but I can confirm what others have suggested. Handheld GPS devices have a way stronger signal reception (this is lost on most people when the conversation gps/phones comes, but I digress) and would work within very dense vegetation.
I sometimes use a GPSmap 64s and can assure that is the case. The models linked above are even better as they have a more precise location fix and less drift.

Good luck

 

[Wapping]

I'll have a play with some of your suggestions between now and October, if the worse comes to the worse I'll take a 2.5L tub of Trade Vinyl Silk Emulsion, a 2" brush and dab each one he points at.

It’s been seven or so months since July, what solution was found?

 

[LOLGEOFF]

It’s been seven or so months since July, what solution was found?

Well it's still a bit wishy washy. A few of us wandered around with the retiring QTRA, with his large portfolio of maps, like a pack of dutiful Labradors trying to take in what he was pointing out to us. He was definitely on the "spectrum" and wasn't used to people asking him questions, I suppose if you had spent years wandering around trees on your own with no one to talk to apart from the odd squirrel or two you do get a bit introverted? Anyway he did say that as the relatively small group of trees that we are responsible for are in a secluded, naturalised part of a large ancient woodland far from the nearest footpath the chance of any tree or part of falling unexpectedly and injuring someone was highly unlikely. I asked him about the possibility of a claim in this risk adverse age we live in and he advised that as it was far from the beaten track and we show "due diligence" with regular inspections we would be ok. Once he had got used to people talking to him he started opening up with some of his past stories and anecdotes of his numerous years of doing the job and is sometimes called as an expert witness for tree related court cases, he was at the time trying to gather evidence regarding the tree branch that killed a young girl in a Southend Park. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3v3004v7w0o.

I did buy some tree marking paint to mark the the boundary trees but someone else had been in there recently marking trees, as parts of the woodland have various owners, Southwark Council owning the largest part, it would have got a lot more complicated by adding more paint. As his plans showed there were a few distinguishing features like a railway fence line that you could take a compass bearing from and measurements from to work out near enough the locations so if he can do it then his replacement QTRA should be able to do the same, we shall have to wait and see.

 

[Wapping]

Thank you for the update, appreciated.

Sad story, the little girl killed by the oak tree branch.

Reading your post, I still think what three words would at least allow you to mark out boundary lines and, maybe, even specific trees or groups of trees.

 

[Wapping]

…his replacement QTRA should be able to do the same….

Some hope.

 

[LOLGEOFF]

Thank you for the update, appreciated.

Sad story, the little girl killed by the oak tree branch.

Reading your post, I still think what three words would at least allow you to mark out boundary lines and, maybe, even specific trees or groups of trees.

If the weather ever gets better I will give it a go. It's funny how I feel uncomfortable wandering around woodland and open spacess o my own. I don't know why but I think it looks suspicious or frightening to lone passer byes, if I had a dog I wouldn't feel so out of place. Is it conditioning by the media that has me being over empathatic to others thoughts? It's like when I used to walk a lot I could never be comfortable walking near a female, especially if I was walking faster and gaining on her, I would often cross the road to pass rather than think she was at threat from me. It bothered me enough to persuade our Parish Council to issue us with IDs and landyards to put others minds at rest, it also helps if you have a hi viz vest or coat on.

 

[Wapping]

Gather up some Tosssers to assist you, perhaps?

 

[LOLGEOFF]

Hmmm.. Nah I'll be alright.