Tried a Triumph Tiger 800 and Yamaha Super Tenere today

Rasher said:
Yeah, sounds like a great deal to me!
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It would be for the GS owner who hasn't suffered the fall off a cliff depreciation that the Super Ten owner has had.

Rasher said:
I think at Today's prices my bike with the BMW extra's (but excluding all the other bits I attached) would come to just over £13.5k, so I would guess the original owner probably paid £500 - £1,000 less, so had he kept it for the full3 years and sold it privately he would have lost about £5.5k.
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A new 1200GS with premium and dynamic pack is £13005. £5 more than a basic Super Ten. If a 2008 GS owner had paid £1000 less that puts the bike at about £12k. So a loss of £4k over three years, not £5.5k. That's the same as the loss on the demo Super Ten in less than a year:eek:

Rasher said:
I don't think many people (anyone?) actually paid £13k for theYamaha, the first edition ones came with boxes, sump gaurd, headlight protector etc so would probably still be worth close to £10k at a year old.
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As the first ones were only available via online orders I doubt there were many discounts going.

Rasher said:
Was it about £6k less than Stretch paid for his Adventure that BMW dealers were offering him one year on? and even as a private sale I think he lost about £5k on it.
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You forget to mention the effect of a one year old bike that has covered more than three times the book mileage on its trade in. Price of a GSA with the dynamic and premium packs is currently £14400 so if he got £10.5k then a loss of just under £4k at current prices, but his bike at the time of purchase would have been about £800 less than current list price. What would a Super Ten with three times the annual mileage be getting I wonder?

Rasher said:
Buying any bike new and selling it a year on is always a huge loser, sure Yamaha dropping the new price by £3k has not helped, but unlike BMW dealers, Jap dealers do discounts on new bikes and IMHO you have to be mad to pay full list on them, I have only bought a few new bikes but have always got some discount, often with low finance and sometimes with extra's thrown in as well.
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BMW dealers do discounts too. I have managed to buy two of my last three BMW's new at a discount.

Rasher said:
Pays yer money and all that, and at £10k the Yamaha looks like a bargain, ABS and Traction control are thrown in, as is an onboard computer - so similar to a GS with Dynamic and Comfort packs.
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A GS with the two packs mentioned would also include heated grips, ESA, onboard computer, LED indicators and tyre pressure control, so not at all similar.

Rasher said:
I see Nick Saunders has just gone up and down America three times on one - 51,000 miles in four months, bike mag have stripped it down and the motor is like new, I am sure a GS motor would still be OK, but it would almost certainly have killed an FD with that type of use - and if he had tried it on an early model GS it would have covered more miles on the back of a recovery truck with EWS, FPC and multiple FD failures.
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More of your usual bollocks.:rolleyes:
 
I've had my KTM 990 SMT abs for nearly 3 months now and am approaching the 5,500 miles mark and I am absolutely loving this bike!!:D:D

Its had its 4,600 mile service ( £156 ) and is loosening up nicely now, the fuel consumption has improved a tad as well.
Perhaps it doesn't have as many bells and whistles as a fully specced GS but its no lesser bike for it ( not to mention about £4k cheaper! ) in fact, dynamically as a ride, its a hoot compared to a GS!
Someone complained that it had no fuel gauge?, really, ....how difficult is it to re-set the trip everytime you fill up??:rolleyes:
I can more or less predict now when the reserve light is gonna come on, and when that lights up, you get a countdown on miles done on reserve

Its pretty light, the handling is superb and flickable and the brakes are fantastic!
This bike ticks all the boxes for me, an absolute blast to ride when you are in "hooning" mode and then pretty comfy for mile eating when you have your sensible head on, and real quality suspension that you can fine tune to be spot-on to your needs.

And just on a totally trivial note, have you compared the toolkit on a KTM to the standard BMW one you get these days??:nenau

I think the GS's are becoming a victim of their popularity, they are absolutely everywhere!!
I was in Hawes a few weeks ago and this guy rolled in on a 1200GS adv, every touratech bit in the catalogue on it, 3 ally boxes on it, and him with the full tw4t suit on, he must have spent a fortune just to come and have a scone and a cuppa tea!! no-one had the heart to tell him what a sight this "Tuareg" looked!!

:hide
 
Bryn said:
The fact that Nick Sanders did 50,000 kilometers miles in 49 days, on a Super Tenere with so few issues , and missing servicing points to a well engineered bike IMHO :thumb

Looks like he used TT boxes
http://www.nicksanders.com/2011/parallel_world.html
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Looks that way, but with the list price set so high and examples already appearing around the £10K mark for new or nearly new ones then the poor owners who have had to buy at list or close to it have already taken a spanking on the depreciation front. It will be interesting to see what they are going for when they are 2-3 years old Bryn.

PS How's the countdown going?
 
Bob Southgate said:
Looks that way, but with the list price set so high and examples already appearing around the £10K mark for new or nearly new ones then the poor owners who have had to buy at list or close to it have already taken a spanking on the depreciation front. It will be interesting to see what they are going for when they are 2-3 years old Bryn.

PS How's the countdown going?
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I agree those who paid full price would have taken a spanking.... thankfully I need to wait until March before making a decision, and it won't be a new one ( if indeed I choose a Tenere) options open as always....

Countdown seems to be following Einstein's Theory... the closer to the date the slower time becomes :D
 
The test rides continue

Well today saw me have a blast on a new GS...the double overhead can version.

Obviously, immeadiatly familiar, so could give some berries from the off.

The first thing i noticed apart from the 'new' sound exhaust, is there seems to be alot more urgency about it over the '09 mocel which i am currently riding. Throttle response is crisp, and it pull cleanly all the way through the rev range, which whilst on a dual carrigeway saw me sitting at slightly above the speed limit ( OK, 50 above!!). But it got there very nicely, without too much effort at all.

As already stated, it is all very familiar so i wont dwell on the ergomonics, as the majority will know about them.

How does it compare over the competion that i have already tested.....basically very well indeed. The problem i have with bikes that have umpteen mode settings is, i can only ever really seeing myself having it in hooigan mode, which kinda defeats the object of having more than one setting. The Beemer is the only one with ESA, which i do use. Whilst i lovedthe enhine on the Triumph, i didnt find it very engaging, where as with the twins, i felt a bit more involved with the bike.
As i have said before, the Triumph 1200 is, on paper, going to be a great bike, but what will it come with? ESA? 1 or 2 modes?What will the ecomemy be like? For me, the BMW will be hard to beat at the moment, especially as i can transfer over all my farkles, and they have some new super dooper REALLY bright fog lights now.

Decisions, decisions!!:blast
 
the led fog lamps are the nuts,had them on my gsa for 6 months now.
 
Think i need to get a go on the super Ten, ridden the Stelvo / SMT and owned Tiger 1050 / 660 Ten and 7 GS 11's 1150's. Got a 800GS now which i have kept for longer than any bike for years as it ticks many boxes for me.
Will have a ring round :thumb2
 
Had a Super 10 for the day from a local shop. Very keen to get rid of it and in the end they offered me a little above book for the TTR and a GS800. After a day just could not wait to give it back. To heavy fully petrolled up. Not good around town and yes it brings a smile to your face when you are riding it and you have not shelled out a huge wedge for it and it is someone else's bike. Dives under heavy braking and on the one I had both front forks seals were pissing oil out at the end of the day. Shop even admitted that is was the second time it had happened on this 1k only test bike. That exhaust looks like and after thought and christ it is ugly. Too much of a marketing exercise for me and not enough on it to justify the asking price even after heavy discounting. The residuals do not even bare thinking about. Nice try Yamaha but really came away disappointed once the rose tinted specs had come off and having lived with the mule like looks for a day and poor back road handling I was glad to get back on the beemer. 2 months later and I still get calls to see if I am interested in one, or would like one for a weekend on loan.....not a good sign.
 
A bloody good saving of about £3k, but the delivery charges will bugger you right up.

If I can find a permanant job I will be having a serious test ride with a view to change, until then I will just keep saving up until I have a pile of excess cash, but think a switch to one of these is inevitable.

I had heard a lot of press moaning about the luggage and the keys bending, Yamaha have a video of how to operate it and it appears due to a waterproof seal your mean't to push down slightly on the lid when opening - I guess the useless fecks from the press never read the bloody manual, however I also now like the thought of buying the SW Motech boxes as every other piece of kit I have bought from them has been bloody brilliant - and they come in two sizes (and the smallest is bigger than the Yams)
 
Bored

Tobers

Gonnae go Back to the GS Forum because you really rip my Knittin...........and all Yuse Crettins who replied, dont encourage him Ya Feckers..........

Regards RB
 
Test rides....conclusion.

After my last post, i started talking money to various outlets, and the long and short of it was that Vines were having a sale, offered me good part ex on my SE and the deal was sealed on a Triple Black.

Am i pleased.....of course. It looks the mutts nuts, moved over 90% of all my farkles, gonna get some BMW LED spots fitted coz they are doing a deal on them at the moment, some Machine Art headgaurds, Adventure beak thing, and i think i will be there.

Tobers, who started this thread off and me test riding, has done a deal on a super Ten, so bring on next year for the boys tour.

It has been an eye opener to see what is available and the hype around some of the bikes by the press, but in the end, the daddy of them all came through.:bounce1:bounce1:clap
 
Yep its a Super Tenere for me. Cracking deal at £7850 for an 1100 miler in top condition.

And I love it. Its like one of those songs that you aren't sure about at first but then grows on you. Very happy, yet sad to see the 950 SM go.
 
Yep but seeing as the first owner was Yamaha UK it'll teach them a lesson in how to price their bikes competitively :D.
 
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