Trying to register an old imported bike

[Franm]

Hi All.
I purchased an old non running RS from up north over the Christmas and I'm trying to get it registered down here.
I contacted the NCT centre who have taken over this role since January and the booking person said to just book/bring it in to a centre for inspection when it's back on the road.
My problem is that if I hold on to it then it could be months/years before it's up and running however the VRT section of the web site states that an imported vehicle must be booked in within 7 days of entering the state and registered within 30!

Can I just hold the documentation and do nothing about this until its back in action?
Can an imported non running motorcycle be registered here?
My concern being that I might get penalised for not taking action sooner.

Advice / help on this would be much appreciated.

On another note, I do plan on selling it again (for what it cost me) so maybe a northern buyer would save me all this grief. I do feel that it would be a shame to break it for parts. That's another story though.

Thanks
Fran

 

[TONY G]

how old is it ? you cant reg it if it not running , they need to see it moveing , what paper work have you got for it if any?? if you can get running just bring it in to them with the v5 (if you have it ) if you have no v5 you can get a cert of permenent export for free from dvlni and that will do the vrt people, and you will need an invoice for the bike (you can write one your self on a piece of paper) and your pps number and id ,, sounds harder than it is ,, but if get all the bits of paper together only takes 10 mins in the vrt place and you can even tax it online the next day ,, hope that helps tony ,,
pm me if you want to chat about it and put up a few pics

 

[Franm]

Thanks Tony,

It was first registered in March '79 although the Vin number puts it as built in Aug '78.
I have the V5 cert alright and I'm just concerned that I need to do something now.
Is it ok to go and register a bike even though the paperwork may say it was bought some time ago (even years).
Also would it be easier to sell on if I had this registration sorted?

Cheers
Fran

 

[GerryC]

What Tony says worked for me

 

[TheMcQuaid]

I had a similar situation, bought a non running GS, guy gave me a receipt, I was then months plodding away on bike, eventually running, went to VRT it and got stung with a fine, all I had to do was just write myself another receipt with a date that was within the 30 days and I woulda been grand!! Very simple to work around it

 

[frank1200]

Cost of vet on a 79 bike is zero so put it in the back of a van snd get it registered does not have to run as long as it's complete looking
Keep a record of the northern reg and if you sell it across the water all the buyer has to do is apply for replacement docs for the bike so best of both worlds when selling
Ps what tony and Gerry said


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[Franm]

Thanks Guys,
Your idea Frank could be the way to go (for peace of mind at least).
Regards
Fran

 

[Mide]

Hi Fran,

The bike doesn't have to be running but you do need an appointment, you can't just turn up.
If it's not running though I wouldn't worry about registering it here, when you do register it you can say you only brought it down from NI the day before. Doesn't really matter when you bought it, you can say your mate kept it in his shed til you brought it down.

 

[frank1200]

the rules have changed since the 1st january no one can register anything without producing a receipt saying who they bought it from,how much thepaid and when it was bought.
the reason is more to do with vat than duty but they can catch you both ways now
if you have a look at www.nct.ie you can go to the right hand side of the site and you will see vrt
you will find all teh details you need and how to make an appointment there
as your bike is opver 30 years old and has no vrt due and will not be liable for vat either it wont matter to you when you do it

 

[GerryC]

When I imported last summer there was an issue with the V5 when I presented for inspection & I had to contact Swansea.
That took a lot more than the 30 alotted days - off the record I was advised by someone in the system here to rewrite the sellers recipt with a newer date - they understood that I was genuinely in a meaningless catch 22 position.
As it is a motorcycle the value is capacity & age related & has no relationship to the purchase price. I guess a recipt in this case may be designed to make theft tougher. I rewrote the recipt but obviously the previous UK owner is the previous UK owner on both recipts & the probity of the deal can be checked - of course changing the timing might not fall within the definition of probity.
With cars I understand that the authorities estimate market value - again this renders a recipt a somewhat academic piece of paper.
Years ago you could [& I did] ride around on UK plates for a long time - it was Carol Nash that insisted I got an Irish Reg plate after a year.

Of course there was a time in Ireland where for the month of Dec new cars were driven about with "FOR REG" written on the plate. They were REGED in Jan & were forever after a year younger than they were in reality - the good old days. That's probably why we need mountains of paper today.

 

[Mide]

Kev registered his bike last Friday and had no receipt. He couldn't remember who he bought it from, where yer man lived or when the transaction took place.

You just have to fill in a form with the info on! You don't need to prove the accuracy of the info.

 

[frank1200]

The new form is mainly a vat thing as some garages were importing cars with out vat and we're liable to pay vat on the whole price and not just on the difference between buying and selling price
If a private person buys off a private person it makes no difference as no vat involved if you buy off a business or dealer then there could be vat issues and unless you have a receipt from the business with margin scheme on it you will have to pay vat


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[macker1974]

Technically the correct way is to present the bike, pay any VRT due and then immediately declare it "off the road", (similar to SORN in the UK). "Making up" an invoice that's going to be lodged with the Revenue boys doesn't strike me as clever, even though the Applus people at VRT inspection are telling people to do so...!!!

 

[B Murr]

Sounds like things have tightened up a bit. When I brought a bike in from Germany a few years back I went to local tax office to register it. The inspection of the bike consisted of yer man looking out his window at the bike which was parked about 100 yards away and asking me "is that it".

Probably for the best that things tightened up as I got the feeling that a few imported bikes have engines and frames that do not match up with the documents