Two .25 Automatic pistols.

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Today I had out 2 pistols that are special for me, one belonged to my father the other his father. They are both Colt, .25 caliber, similar in size, made 1/2 century apart.

About 1972 my father who sometimes worked late at his business decided he should have a small handgun available "just in case" and bought a "Colt Automatic 25" with 2 boxes of ammo and a Colt pocket holster. This pistol was originally designed in the 1950's by Colt and Astra (Spain) and manufactured by Astra for cost reasons. It was sold as the Colt Junior in America and Astra Cub in Europe. The "1968 Firearms Act" prohibited importation of pistols below a certain size of length plus height and this little pistol fell within that ban so in 1968 Colt began manufacturing the pistol here calling it "Colt Automatic" .25 and continued until 1974.

My grandfather never owned a firearm as far as my father knew but around 1973 when my grandfather passed my father discovered in the back of a clothes drawer a little Colt pistol in its original box and two boxes of ammo. The "1908 Colt Vest Pocket" was manufactured from 1908 to 1948, this one had 1920 penciled on the bottom of the box which I assume is when my grandfather bought it, my father would have been 2 at the time.

The two while similar in size and both single action, 25 caliber, are very different. The older Vest Pocket designed by John Browning is striker fired and had some advanced features for the time including 3 safeties; traditional thumb slide/trigger safety, grip safety, and beginning in 2016 magazine disconnect safety meaning if a magazine wasn't inserted the gun won't fire even with a round chambered.
The newer Colt Automatic .25 is hammer fired, incorporates a thumb safety and magazine disconnect but no grip safety.

Anyway I thought I'd share a few images I took when I had them out this afternoon.

Colt Automatic on the left, Vest Pocket on the right.
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For scale.
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interesting to see the newer one has a rounded exposed hammer.

having just read the post... I can see why
 
I generally prefer hammer fired pistols but for a single action pocket pistol being striker fired with lever and grip safeties makes good sense.
 
you'll be pushed to find some in the UK but yes .25acp aka 6.35mm pistol ammo is still in use and made
 
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Yes .25 is available but limited and when you can find it it's expensive. TBH for defense this caliber is pretty ineffective you'd be as well using a .22LR, other than centerfire ammo is less likely to not work.
 
When we could own them I had a Heckler & Koch HK4 that had interchangeable barrels and a switchable firing pin so it could fire both centre fire and rimfire ammo.

It could fire
.22lr
.25ACP.
.32 and
.380ACP (9MM Kurtz)

The variation for my FAC made interesting reading.

Had to hand it in with all the others 😢
 
Makes me sick to think what your authorities did to that fine firearm.

I have some HK P7s and a P30 but I'm not familiar with the HK4 so I watched a short video on it by Ian at Forgotten Weapons. Interesting idea, buy it in any one caliber or the kit with all 4.

 
we had a P7K3 with the conversion kit which was like handling unobtainium...

this was a factory engraved boxed presentation one, never fired 15years ago it was £10,000 so over $10,000
 
I'm somewhat familiar with the P7K3, the only one I saw in person was at a gun show probably 20 years ago and it was just .22 (no conversion kit) and as I recall the seller wanted a good bit for it. Regular P7s and P7M8/13 have been bringing pretty good money.

Are there any places where handguns or even rifles are legal to own but only in limited number? If so these kits would be especially desirable.

Other than 357 magnum revolvers that of course also shoot .38 special the only multi caliber gun I have is a CZ 457 that came from the factory with both .22LR and .17 HMR barrels and magazines.
 
I like how the string of patents are engraved on the older grandfathers vest pocket weapon, Colt must have been proud of them.

The number 8 on the serial number looks like it was added by hand after the main number was stamped ?

As for being an "ineffective caliber", I still wouldn't fancy getting shot at close range by one.
 
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there's a good supply of PSP the older version of the P7, the M8's and M13's are fetching really strong prices and always have done the P7K3 is abit different in that it's not a delayed gas blow back. more a traditional system these are rare for some reason, the one we had was expecially rare being a factory engraved and worse it wasn't serial numbers. So a pure display piece...

sites like egun sort of ebay for guns and stuff is good but you can't export that easily, you need a broker that'll sort this out and on the whoe for single items it's really expensive.


mint as you like

 
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I like how the string of patents are engraved on the older grandfathers vest pocket weapon, Colt must have been proud of them.

The number 8 on the serial number looks like it was added by hand after the main number was stamped ?

As for being an "ineffective caliber", I still wouldn't fancy getting shot at close range by one.

Colt made more money from suing other companies that broke their patents than from gun sales in the early days.... to this day don't mess with colt and any of their contracts, they'll hunt you down and fix you.

there's been a fair amount in the press about, how they cornered the market in the US, by simply setting up in name only factories claiming to be small startups these are protected in US law and get a stab at government contracts... only to do a trace back and it's a colt subsiduary...

would not cue up to be shot with anything...
 
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I like how the string of patents are engraved on the older grandfathers vest pocket weapon, Colt must have been proud of them.

The number 8 on the serial number looks like it was added by hand after the main number was stamped ?

As for being an "ineffective caliber", I still wouldn't fancy getting shot at close range by one.

LOL Colt was indeed proud of their patents.

Actually it's a 2. Colt themselves did a lot of over stamps for correction back then to correct the occasional mistake. I've heard once in a while two numbers would be transposed between the frame and barrel. In this case it doesn't appear to be an over stamp to change the number, rather a second strike on the first number 2 only. The numbers were stamped prior to being blued and that first number may have appeared too light so it was hit again, who knows. 2019, the year this one was made, Colt manufactured 237,800 of just this one model pistol.

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there's a good supply of PSP the older version of the P7, the M8's and M13's are fetching really strong prices and always have done the P7K3 is abit different in that it's not a delayed gas blow back. more a traditional system these are rare for some reason, the one we had was expecially rare being a factory engraved and worse it wasn't serial numbers. So a pure display piece...

sites like egun sort of ebay for guns and stuff is good but you can't export that easily, you need a broker that'll sort this out and on the whoe for single items it's really expensive.


mint as you like


Looks like the K3 is a simpler, straight blow back, aluminium framed version made to shoot lighter calibers. Not many sold here so very collectable.

Some years back some importers brought in older, used German police buy-back P7's. Most were in nice condition mechanically, but to hide holster wear and where the German police letters were ground off, the slides had been re-blued. I picked up a couple up, an A grade and lesser B grade, sold the B but still have the A. The re-bluing tended to have a pinkish hue supposedly due to the type of steel the slides were made of. I also have an M8 and M13 along with a couple unfired M8's; a Jubilee, and somewhat gaudy engraved one from the last 500 produced.
 
The german police did get rid of most of the P7 PSP previous model to the updated P7M8 and M13 in the US vermont or rhode island? police department bought M13's which they got sold off at a later date.

Conjay Arms the UK dealers had loads in back on the 80's and early 90's all modified with suppressors... which all disappeared abroad and from memory they are still made in greece and Mexico as they had the whole tooling from H+K....

the west german made guns are exceptional the steel is harder than diamonds and the tolerances are tiny.... it's a very collectible and desirable item...

As a concept it's a superbly engineered piece of kit, I carried one for a while it shot like a laser beam out to well over 80-100yds and competed in world shoot 10 with it...
 


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