Ultra seal installation with TPM

[Silverstripes]

Hi

I have always installed Ultra seal (Now Puncture Seal) to my bikes.

However with the change to an 07 1200 GS, this beast is equiped with Tyre Pressure Monitoring. There is a small sender attached to the rim which sends a signal to the computer. Local Stealer says Ultra seal should not be fitted as it could mess up the sensors.

However when I have had Tyres removed in the past, the Ultraseal is coating the inner side of the Tyre, with none on the rim.

So the question is with a trip to France in October, Should I install or not. I would like to, but do not want to Bugger up the TPM system.

What do the great minds on the forum think and has anyone any experience of installing ultra seal with the TPM system

 

[bumpy]

Hi

I have always installed Ultra seal (Now Puncture Seal) to my bikes.

However with the change to an 07 1200 GS, this beast is equiped with Tyre Pressure Monitoring. There is a small sender attached to the rim which sends a signal to the computer. Local Stealer says Ultra seal should not be fitted as it could mess up the sensors.

However when I have had Tyres removed in the past, the Ultraseal is coating the inner side of the Tyre, with none on the rim.

So the question is with a trip to France in October, Should I install or not. I would like to, but do not want to Bugger up the TPM system.

What do the great minds on the forum think and has anyone any experience of installing ultra seal with the TPM system

I guess if you use it and they have told you not to, then bangs goes any guarantee on that part of the bike. You are giving BMW a big wriggle factor, but of course thats your choice.

 

[nedflanders]

Take a decent repair kit instead

 

[Kritou]

I'm an Ultraseal user but on removing a tyre have found it on the hub as well as the inside of the tyre

A dust cap pressure monitor would cover the failure of an OEM TPM if you decide to continue with the US

 

[Kahuna]

A dust cap pressure monitor would cover the failure of an OEM TPM if you decide to continue with the US

How so?????

TPM is most useful in the event of rapid deflation when riding - suggesting you stop sharpish! LOL.

I asked the question of the techs at the dealers and was told US will effect the TPM sensors. Though I have seen a post by at least one Tosser who has it in his GSA without negative effect.

Logically, when the TPM sensors are actually sealed (I think), and don't have any holes for the US to penetrate, there 'should' be no problem!

 

[karlp]

Hi

I have always installed Ultra seal (Now Puncture Seal) to my bikes.

However with the change to an 07 1200 GS, this beast is equiped with Tyre Pressure Monitoring. There is a small sender attached to the rim which sends a signal to the computer. Local Stealer says Ultra seal should not be fitted as it could mess up the sensors.

However when I have had Tyres removed in the past, the Ultraseal is coating the inner side of the Tyre, with none on the rim.

So the question is with a trip to France in October, Should I install or not. I would like to, but do not want to Bugger up the TPM system.

What do the great minds on the forum think and has anyone any experience of installing ultra seal with the TPM system

I have Ultraseal in my tyres and I have TPS

No problems at all

karl

 

[Yellow Peril]

Repair kit no good with 80 mph puncture , US will control the deflation if any, safely .

 

[Fanum]

I have Ultraseal in my tyres and I have TPS

No problems at all

karl

Do you mean 'no problem at all' as in that you've had successful and proper warnings from the TPS sensors despite having Ultraseal glooping around in there or do you mean 'no problem at all' because you've not had a warning yet (and may not now because you have US in there?)

 

[karlp]

Do you mean 'no problem at all' as in that you've had successful and proper warnings from the TPS sensors despite having Ultraseal glooping around in there or do you mean 'no problem at all' because you've not had a warning yet (and may not now because you have US in there?)

I mean I get sensible tyre pressure readings from the TPS - confirmed with independent tyre pressure guage.

If I reduce the pressure in the tyres then the TPS show reduced pressure - again confirmed.

No warnings from computer
Done approx 1100 miles

so I assume it is ok.

In my previous bike I did over 4500 miles - again with no issues.

karl

 

[Fanum]

I mean I get sensible tyre pressure readings from the TPS - confirmed with independent tyre pressure guage.

If I reduce the pressure in the tyres then the TPS show reduced pressure - again confirmed.

No warnings from computer
Done approx 1100 miles

so I assume it is ok.

In my previous bike I did over 4500 miles - again with no issues.

karl

 

[EggChaser]

Theoretical situations:

The TPM has a pressure sensor somewhere, so assuming the entrance to the pressure sensor gets blocked with Ultraseal and manages to hold a set pressure between the sensor and the blockage and then you get a slow leak in the tyre that for some reason the Ultraseal does not block - the TPM would not warn you of this.

Likewise I suspect it might be possible for Ultaseal to somehow create a blockeage near the sensor that holds either a way to high or a way to low pressure reading which would result in a false problem indication on your instruments.

BTW I found the TPM itself very useful when I rode away from a tyre dealer and it warned me of what turned out to be a slightly loose valve seat on one wheel - which was easily remedied by the tyre dealer concerned.

 

[Kahuna]

Theoretical situations:

The TPM has a pressure sensor somewhere, so assuming the entrance to the pressure sensor gets blocked with Ultraseal and manages to hold a set pressure between the sensor and the blockage and then you get a slow leak in the tyre that for some reason the Ultraseal does not block - the TPM would not warn you of this.

Egg - I think the TPM has a closed bulb pressure sensor set-up, and does not actually have any holes which could be blocked up by US (that's my understanding but not had one apart... so stand to be corrected).

US can mask other problems (like your loose seal) but it does so by stopping the air leak - so perhaps that's it doing the job!

I've had US in the last 5 of my bikes and NEVER had a puncture that allowed the tyre to deflate with it there (even nails etc).

I think the safety factor with US is greater than that offered by the TPM, but obviously both would increase confidence even further.

BTW: One great factor with US is, even if you get a nail and US cant quite block the hole you can still use a mushroom plug as an emergency fix (Stop n Go for eg) without worrying about the gloop inside!

 

[nedflanders]

Repair kit no good with 80 mph puncture , US will control the deflation if any, safely .

OMGwhat on earth have I been doing riding for the last 20years without it, I could have died FFS

 

[wadham]

I use it with tpc and have no problems. Displayed Pressure goes up when tyres are warm and down when cold. Shows the same pressure as on my tyre gauge.

btw - you can use tyre plug like stop & go if it does not seal which can happen.

 

[bisbee]

A fellow gser had a puncture despite ultra seal and when he took the tyre in for repair the tyre fitter said that they could not repair it as the patch wouldn't stick due the ultraseal so he had to take them a new tyre to fit

 

[Silverstripes]

Hi Guys

Thanks for the replies of those with TPM and have installed Ultraseal.

Based on the advice that they have not had any negative issues with TPM, I wne ahead and put it in (Ultraseal that is ).

And no problems so all is well