What was it you asked AI, "define sarcasm"?
Edit: Sorry, only just picked up this thread and missed Ectopics reply.
Carry on.
Using AI to plan your routes. Yes or No?
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Edit: Sorry, only just picked up this thread and missed Ectopics reply.
Carry on.
After seeing this thread I experimented by asking ChatGPT to compile an itinerary for a two week motorcycling trip starting and finishing in Dubrovnik. Oh and throw in some soft roading to spice things up a touch.
The result was impressive, plenty of info on things to do, areas to see, when to go and so on. Far from a turn by turn description, this was simply a guide to help catch the interesting stuff in the two weeks. It even recommended some off bike time to really enjoy all that Dubrovnik has to offer.
I love to plan my trips, or more accurately, I love seeking out POIs and cool roads before I set off. How it all gels together is determined on the day. The AI itinerary will be a really useful baseline from which to start. And it took about 5 seconds to compile the reply. Awes-balls technology. Shame it'll kill us all inside a decade, but hey ho.
The result was impressive, plenty of info on things to do, areas to see, when to go and so on. Far from a turn by turn description, this was simply a guide to help catch the interesting stuff in the two weeks. It even recommended some off bike time to really enjoy all that Dubrovnik has to offer.
I love to plan my trips, or more accurately, I love seeking out POIs and cool roads before I set off. How it all gels together is determined on the day. The AI itinerary will be a really useful baseline from which to start. And it took about 5 seconds to compile the reply. Awes-balls technology. Shame it'll kill us all inside a decade, but hey ho.
What was it you asked AI, "define sarcasm"?
Edit: Sorry, only just picked up this thread and missed Ectopics reply.
Carry on.
FFS man. I almost peed my bunk
I gave up on this thread due to the levels of sarcasm but that’s just reawakened my interest.
Next maybe you can ask your AI to define non bike riding wobbly box wanderer…
Sorry just can’t resist.
I gave up on this thread due to the levels of sarcasm but that’s just reawakened my interest.
Next maybe you can ask your AI to define non bike riding wobbly box wanderer…
Sorry just can’t resist.
yes especially like - across Salisbury Plain - offroad
The general consensus seems to be that it’s pretty good at some tasks, even very good at many. At others it struggles or, put simply, can’t manage it all. Sometimes you have to help it along, whilst at other times it helps you along by suggesting additional topics.
What it is good at, without a doubt, is sieving tons of data. Whether what’s left after the sieving is nuggets of pure gold or pieces of flint, can vary. I haven’t yet tried submitting say three GPX files of three different routes from say, Calais to Dijon and asking it to tell me which is the ‘twistiest’, or which has the most ‘stuff’ to see and do along the way. It might be something to try, I guess.
What though is clear is that we now live in what Star Trek saw as the future. Mobile phones, are their flip open communicators. Touch screens are now the norm. Whole body scanners are now ‘everyday’ in the NHS. Voice commands to machines to do something. Operations are performed by robots, a step up from building cars. An entire pop group performs as nothing more than holograms. Their “Take me to Alpha Centuri” is our “Take me to Annecy, via twisty roads”. Drones, sent out to explore, can be bought on every High Street. Robots and auto-stackers are all over warehouses. Tasers, are our ‘Phasers on stun’. Teleporting and the bending of space is still some way off though; which is maybe a good thing.
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Using AI to plan routes? - Why would one do this - is it not more fun doing your own research along with a map?
Is not AI, a form of research?
What constitutes ‘research’ anyway?
Looking at a paper map?
Looking at a digital map?
Asking Google to display hotels within say, 15 miles of location X?
Thumbing through a copy of The Rough Guide to….?
Asking UKGSer?
Having Michelin’s Red and Green guides to hand?
Asking Google for the 10 best things to see and do in location Y?
Asking Google…. Well anything really?
When you choose a twisty or winding route from your Sat Nav, you are letting a computer choose you a route.
Ive done this and sometimes great others not so.
AI is no different, although if you asked for a route passing historical places of interest and scenic quiet roads you could get a nice route and save yourself over an hours planning.
Ive done this and sometimes great others not so.
AI is no different, although if you asked for a route passing historical places of interest and scenic quiet roads you could get a nice route and save yourself over an hours planning.
Indeed so.
At heart (and without getting into the whole, “It will destroy the World” debate *) it - at least for the limited purposes of going out of the front door and on holiday - is simply an aid and nothing more.
* I read a month or so ago, that AI had created its first and new virus. That’s ‘new’ in the sense that it isn’t a mutation of a known and existing viruses. It’ll be used benignly to attack harmful viruses. No doubt the scientists didn’t use the free version of Grok.
I had to head up to the Airport (about 30 miles away) last night to pick up my son and thought I'd while away the drive having a chat with Gemini. Very odd having a basic but informative conversation with an AI entity. This got me thinking (dangerous). I wonder if this is the way we will interact with computers in the future and will keyboards and websites be dead? Very few folk knew how to type 40 years ago, will that skill disappear again? Also will only those who supply information (at a cost) to the AI provider or more worryingly governmental organisations curate the information we have access too? I was reading that because of AI summaries on google searches, that "footfall" to actual sources of information has fallen by 20% over the past few years.
Anyhow a bit off topic, I'm aware of the vast amounts of energy and water that AI data centres use. Sorry polar bears.
Anyhow a bit off topic, I'm aware of the vast amounts of energy and water that AI data centres use. Sorry polar bears.
I have real trouble talking to Gemini in my car, with the phone locked Gemini wont respond in case it gives my persoanl information away.
For instance if i say "google, navigate me home"
i get "piss off, the phones locked I'm not letting anyone know where you live"... well, words to that effect.
Does this with a few things and i cant find a way round it... so its pointless while driving.
Might be different on android auto... i don't know my car doesn't have that its an old codger.
There was a time ...
when a man could ride a motorcycle simply because he wanted to ride a motorcycle. He needed petrol, a reasonably sound machine (a 31 guineas Tiger Cub!) and somewhere to go, though the last requirement was negotiable.
The road provided the rest. There was sunlight, wind, the smell of fields, burned hydrocarbons, rain and the drying off bit smelling like a wet dog in some road side cafe as well as the small satisfaction of knowing that for a few hours or weeks nobody knew where you were and you were free really enjoying new sights, sounds and smells. Remember those times? No event required a warning tone, a coloured line on a screen or a well meaning mate with a download. Today we believe that we have improved the experience considerably... or have we?... We are told where to go (!) , often by someone we haven't even met and, presumably, whether we are enjoying ourselves correctly...
The motorcycle has become a convenient platform for attaching devices whose functions few of us could ever explain and in whose absence, until recently, nobody considered a problem. Now, rather than riding, we struggle endlessly trying to get all those devices to talk to each other and end up mostly nervous wreck;. but they are fitted with great enthusiasm at phenomenal costs on grossly overpriced machines. It seems we have become marketing victims, yet we display them with quiet pride and remove them only when the next motorcycle arrives, at which point they are transferred like the insignia of a regiment. It is difficult to say whether the rider owns the equipment or the equipment owns the rider. Perhaps this is progress? to travel further while seeing less, to know your position at every moment while having no particular reason to be there nor any understanding of how you got there and to spend the journey surrounded by information while forgetting the peculiar pleasure of simply going somewhere.
Once, a motorcycle offered the possibility of disappearing. Now it seems increasingly designed to make sure you never lose contact with anything at all.
Thank goodness I belong to the 'older' generation where you kept well worn maps filled with fantastic memories.
although I will confess to a mild bit of hypocrisy here as I do use a Satnav on my GS (Gone Shopping!) connected only to orbiting satellites. Quiet bliss!
I'll get my coat...
feel free to bring on the 
when a man could ride a motorcycle simply because he wanted to ride a motorcycle. He needed petrol, a reasonably sound machine (a 31 guineas Tiger Cub!) and somewhere to go, though the last requirement was negotiable.
The road provided the rest. There was sunlight, wind, the smell of fields, burned hydrocarbons, rain and the drying off bit smelling like a wet dog in some road side cafe as well as the small satisfaction of knowing that for a few hours or weeks nobody knew where you were and you were free really enjoying new sights, sounds and smells. Remember those times? No event required a warning tone, a coloured line on a screen or a well meaning mate with a download. Today we believe that we have improved the experience considerably... or have we?... We are told where to go (!) , often by someone we haven't even met and, presumably, whether we are enjoying ourselves correctly...
The motorcycle has become a convenient platform for attaching devices whose functions few of us could ever explain and in whose absence, until recently, nobody considered a problem. Now, rather than riding, we struggle endlessly trying to get all those devices to talk to each other and end up mostly nervous wreck;. but they are fitted with great enthusiasm at phenomenal costs on grossly overpriced machines. It seems we have become marketing victims, yet we display them with quiet pride and remove them only when the next motorcycle arrives, at which point they are transferred like the insignia of a regiment. It is difficult to say whether the rider owns the equipment or the equipment owns the rider. Perhaps this is progress? to travel further while seeing less, to know your position at every moment while having no particular reason to be there nor any understanding of how you got there and to spend the journey surrounded by information while forgetting the peculiar pleasure of simply going somewhere.
Once, a motorcycle offered the possibility of disappearing. Now it seems increasingly designed to make sure you never lose contact with anything at all.
Thank goodness I belong to the 'older' generation where you kept well worn maps filled with fantastic memories.
although I will confess to a mild bit of hypocrisy here as I do use a Satnav on my GS (Gone Shopping!) connected only to orbiting satellites. Quiet bliss! I'll get my coat...
feel free to bring on the
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On Android auto you can chat away...........until you realise its a bit sad
The ability / need to write (ie. with a pen and paper) is already starting to fall. Likewise children’s understanding of physical coinage and notes. Speech to word is already here and working, for sure. English, the language of the internet, might yet replace all other languages. That’ll be a huge relief to bikermate 3026, no doubt.
Automatic, driverless cars are in use and are out ‘practising’ in London. Driverless trains are of course already running around the globe. Battlefields are changing, with drones and autonomous vehicles dominating the tactics used and indeed now dictating entire strategies. It makes perfect sense to take the man out of an Australian ‘road train’ vehicle or out of UN convoys into the bad lands of Pakistan. Autonomous ships (if they are not around already) and then planes will be next, for sure.
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There was a time ...
when a man could ride a motorcycle feel free to bring on the
There is more than a bit of truth in that, somewhat over romantic, view.
What it does though is imply that AI (as a tool or aid) has ruined motorcycling. It hasn’t, not least in the context of helping bods to create their holiday.
What (quite separate) technology has done though - and you are quite right - is to create a seemingly never ending demand for people to be ‘connected’ and ‘entertained’ whilst riding a motorcycle. In parallel, there is an all but insatiable desire to know how many times the brakes were applied, what angle of lean was obtained and how long before they get to the next 6,000 mile service. Every new bike reviewed - and it’s a frequent topic on these pages - includes the size of the TFT screen, how much ‘stuff’ it can display and can I talk to my three riding buddies and their mum as we hoon.
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No, AI is asking someone else to do the whole thing for you - It's laziness, people no longer want to think, they just seek instant gratification. The fastest road to becoming a 'blob' is to let your mental agility fade away.Is not AI, a form of research?
What constitutes ‘research’ anyway?
Looking at a paper map?
Looking at a digital map?
Asking Google to display hotels within say, 15 miles of location X?
Thumbing through a copy of The Rough Guide to….?
Asking UKGSer?
Having Michelin’s Red and Green guides to hand?
Asking Google for the 10 best things to see and do in location Y?
Asking Google…. Well anything really?
On Android auto you can chat away...........until you realise its a bit sad
An underwriter I knew has a very strong Belfast accent. His BMW refused point blank to understand any of his voice commands to the hi-tech infotainment system.
Happy days.
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