want to change it back

[Big Jets]

After seeing Kennys ,lovely wee bike I want to turn my bike back to the basic bike it should be ,it would require everything around the headlamp clock area,a large (Paris Dakar )tank I can get the original tank,possibly single seat.The question is Im pratted buying it ,would the paralever GS parts I have on the bike bankroll the project or has anyone got the parts and be interested in a trade.Or will I leave it alone.

 

[Kenny]

Massive project to 'convert' the PD paralever to a g/s mono.....and it would always be a paralever etc etc. Looks a lovely bike and if you are really keen then advertise it in the for sale section and keep your eyes peeled for a good mono. I've have three excellant mono bikes..two of them I've thrown lots cash at then sold them . I've had a PD and other paralevers and to be honest, they are ALL bloody good 'does what it says on the tin' bikes.....it is just sometimes a change is as good as a rest

I wouldn't attempt/finance converting your PD if I was in your shoes.

 

[BillN]

My views

Once a BM Bike is less than original it becomes less desirable and worth less, (even worthless).
There are a few exceptions, HPN and the like.

Sell yours and buy a monlever R80G/S..probably worth about the same....or near enough.....condition for condition, but most available G/Ss have been "well used"

Your Bike is a Paralever which is difficult to convert to even a Basic spec as you would need a new rear sub frame and tank etc., which are not only expensive, but difficult to find s/h.

Some prefer the monolever to the paralever as far as riding is concerned and there are mixed views on which is the better.

 

[Big Jets]

Sorry Kenny my mistake it is a mono check out monolever register last bikes .

 

[BillN]

Sorry my mistake it is a mono check out monolever register last bikes .

Oh I can see that now...........not a great photo ....R80G/S converted to an R80G/S PD.....first one I have ever seen,.......what did you do with the bits

Has your Bike got the early instruments?

You need a clamb shell, headlight and tank = £250

 

[Colt]

hi big jets, you confuse us with those paralever bits.
whats the story with yours it has all paralever clothes and front end.

well it could be done,i think you may not be able to fund it from the sale of the paralever bits ,but you may be lucky.

so make a list of what you may need ,of what you have to sell
and start collecting.
biggest cost and hard to get is the big tank, then also the headlight /clocks set up.
but do you could use the cheaper smaller g/s tank for now.
yours is a paralever subframe?
maybe if you just changed tanks and the headlight set up you would be happier? make it look like an r80gs basic?
sell the pd tank and engine bra fund it.

 

[Kenny]

Me too !! I never looked at the back end..just assumed it was a paralever !!

Now, I really like that bike a LOT more....give us all the mileage, condition etc etc ( you'd still need to spend a bit to convert back though, seat;tank;lights;clocks,panels etc etc ) Twin discs etc etc....certainly a nice tourer.

 

[Big Jets]

Bill The bike was converted back in the mid nineties and I have no original parts ,the fellow I bought it from has the original tank,but the Mono PD tank is a must if the project is going ahead ,I know they fetch funny money what would my current para tank be worth .Body and paintwork would not be a problem so a damaged tank might do the trick.Cheers Big Jets

 

[Big Jets]

Colt I think its a mono subframe as the single seat you put me onto doesnt fit ,anybody want it at cost its theres ,anyway I am starting to think along your lines I hate the para screen and light unit and kangaroo bars and bikinni that is my gripe with the bike has anyone got everything for the lamp dash area .

 

[Colt]

oops well ithought you had a paralver sorry.
it was a bargain seat get it advertised.
so guess you have the mono subframe.
so that would make yours look more like an r80basic or kalahari ,if you just changed the tank and clocks set up.

 

[BillN]

This is getting a bit confusing....reference to the R80GS Basic

If your current Bike is a R80G/S with the original monolever back end, front forks and G/S 21" wheel...all that has been added is the PD kit.......that could be bought separately, (at the time - with or without the seat), for the paralever R100GS/R80GS.

The R80GS Basic is a paralever Bike with a unique rear sub frame, seat and a tank that is the same as the monolever R80ST and almost the same as the monolever R80G/S except for the filler cap.
Your Bike can never, (well nothing is impossible!), economically be converted to a paralever R80 GS Basic or anything paralever as the paralever and monolever frames are different plus the front end, back end, etc., etc....and as I said the R80GS Basic rear sub frame is unique to that Bike and very difficult to come by.

Now if you have a monolever 1981-1985 R80G/S, (what is the year of registration or frame number?), with the paralever PD kit.....all you need is to remove the PD stuff and buy a R80G/S small tank, (£150), a clamb shell,, (that black thing on Kenny's Bike but they came in a number of colours) = (£70), and a round head light, (£50)........the clamshell was a standard feature on the paralever R80/R100GSs, so you should be able to pick one up with or without the headlight unit.

If you want the big original R80 G/S Paris Dakar tank, (which was later fitted to the Kalahari), this could cost you £500 secondhand, (I have just sold a Kalahari Tank for more than that), ....BMW still sell them new for a more that this price but you then have to buy the filler cap and have it painted, plus decals

Also check your Speedo, the little number above the button as I think that they are different on the paralever and monolever......but I would have to check.

I would think that if you sell your PD kit on Ebay you will get enough to buy the bits you need, (with the small tank), as the plastic PD tank is sort after.

Hope this helps

 

[Colt]

perhaps i have confused it a bit by mentioning getting it to look like an 80basic. sorry big jets.

i thought the g/s subframe was the same as the basic one ,apart from the colour.

 

[BillN]

i thought the g/s subframe was the same as the basic one ,apart from the colour.

Hi Colt

They could be but I do not think that they are as I am sure I tried to fit an 80G/S sub frame to a R80GS Basic once.
Same with the Basic seat
The sub frame is shorter than the other paralever frames..........I will re check when I can.........but presumably BigJet has a R80G/S that is easy to convert back and once converted will be back to original which will be correct.
I cannot tell from the photo if he has a R80 G/S front wheel..i.e. with the single disk.......but the front forks do look monolever, (i.e. not paralever).......but even if they are paralever it would not prevent the easy conversion back which I think could be done in half a day

Cheers

Bill

 

[BillN]

Sub_Frames

Comparison

Top R80G/S

can you see the different position of the cross member nearest the tank

 

[Big Jets]

That wee crossmembers is one of the reasons the paralever single saddle I bought the other week doesnt fit .That basic looks stunning Bill .

 

[BillN]

That wee crossmembers is one of the reasons the paralever single saddle I bought the other week doesnt fit .That basic looks stunning Bill .

Sold the Basic 2 weeks.............pity............I still have one to restore..someday.........but I now prefer the BMs of the 70s and 60s, (when I can find a good R69S).

Cheers

 

[Colt]

thanks for the pics and clearing this up bill.
i remembered that i saw the info on the micapeak sitehttp://micapeak.com/bmw/gs/gs_basic.html
says teh subframes were the same as the g/s
so dont believe all you read

 

[(RIP) pastyman]

Hi Colt

They could be but I do not think that they are as I am sure I tried to fit an 80G/S sub frame to a R80GS Basic once.
Same with the Basic seat
The sub frame is shorter than the other paralever frames..........I will re check when I can.........but presumably BigJet has a R80G/S that is easy to convert back and once converted will be back to original which will be correct.
I cannot tell from the photo if he has a R80 G/S front wheel..i.e. with the single disk.......but the front forks do look monolever, (i.e. not paralever).......but even if they are paralever it would not prevent the easy conversion back which I think could be done in half a day

Cheers

Bill

I agree, the front wheel looks to have the center laced spokes of the g/s ratherv than the later side spoked wheels, so conversion should be reasonably easy

 

[(RIP) pastyman]

Big jets, What is the single seat like that you have for the paralever,would it fit onto the HPN 43ltr tank? I may be interested.

 

[Big Jets]

Ill post a pic tomorrow for you cant help you on the technical side Im afraid.