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OZGSer
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Got my RudGuard radiator protectors. Very nicely installed and overall very happy. They sit couple of cm from the radiators themselves so should offer good protection.
Customer Service was very good from RadGuard. I am in Australia so quick turnaround. Overnight to them and fitted same day and overnight back to me. Bike is back up and running again so I am a happy camper
$800 bucks that little rock cost me and more importantly a messed up trip. All could have been avoided by a $150 product.
If I was in the UK I would consider Mark Hutton's product, but it is little too much bling for me. I love his crud catcher though.
Customer Service was very good from RadGuard. I am in Australia so quick turnaround. Overnight to them and fitted same day and overnight back to me. Bike is back up and running again so I am a happy camper
$800 bucks that little rock cost me and more importantly a messed up trip. All could have been avoided by a $150 product.
If I was in the UK I would consider Mark Hutton's product, but it is little too much bling for me. I love his crud catcher though.
Mark Hooton
Cymarcbikeparts
I think they are lovely!
Well I think they look great - very understated and wonderfully done - hats off to them, very well done
Well I think they look great - very understated and wonderfully done - hats off to them, very well done
Anybody tried the rad protectors from Hornig?
http://www.motorcycleparts-hornig.com/BMW-R-1200-GS-LC/Alu-High-grade-Steel/Cooler-protection.html
http://www.motorcycleparts-hornig.com/BMW-R-1200-GS-LC/Alu-High-grade-Steel/Cooler-protection.html
catch
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As I can see the protectors are directly touching the cooling fin. So when a stone slams against the protectors they will bend right into the cooler fins!?
I can't see the protection function! In this shape it's obviously just a styling feature. These protectors should at least have a distance to the "surface" of 1 cm to be able to keep damage away from the rad.
PS: Sorry for bad english....not native speaker
I can't see the protection function! In this shape it's obviously just a styling feature. These protectors should at least have a distance to the "surface" of 1 cm to be able to keep damage away from the rad.
PS: Sorry for bad english....not native speaker
they should spread the impact somewhat though.
I really can't see the point of radiator protectors on the new bike, the radiators are high enough and if you look at the front mud guard it is going to stop anything being thrown up from the front wheel.
The only time that I think they may be useful is if you are riding gravel roads in a group, there is then a small chance of a stone being thrown up by a leading bike. In that case what you really need is something like a louvred plastic protector that sits well forward of the radiator grill - these metal grill things pressed up again the radiator just have not really been thought through properly and are just pandering to paranoia and need to have something to talk about at the local bike meet.
The only time that I think they may be useful is if you are riding gravel roads in a group, there is then a small chance of a stone being thrown up by a leading bike. In that case what you really need is something like a louvred plastic protector that sits well forward of the radiator grill - these metal grill things pressed up again the radiator just have not really been thought through properly and are just pandering to paranoia and need to have something to talk about at the local bike meet.
Mark Hooton
Cymarcbikeparts
Only my opinion
Well, at pains to make sure I don`t leave the slightest of cracks for the small minority to slate me for being biased - and maintaining my reputation for fairness and integrity I must say that these rad protectors seem great, and fantastic value too (my buggers are much more expensive but lets not forget you get what you pay for, well most of the time......).
I can see and support both sides and opinions (I do this a lot, its called sitting on the fence
) firstly this product does seem very much `fit for purpose` and as I said very much great value (I suspect its made from a stock mesh....). But with that said most impacts will be transmitted direct to the rad fins - I for one would certainly live with that especially at that price (some may say short sighted with the replacement cost of a rad........).
Any design which incorporates some `off fin` protection (yeah I know, like mine but there's others out there with the same philosophy - TT for one, if you can get them this side of Xmas) should absorb `some` of the impact so I can also see the sense in them but, of course, this normally costs more.
And I also agree with Cookie - they will still spread some of the impact anyway - in fact I agree with everyone! And SMB, pal, if you decide to buy the mesh type ones I am sure they will be fine for you!
So, IMHO I think `flat against` and `off fin` each have distinct advantages - sorry if I appear somewhat un-opinionated, I`m just trying to offer a fair and unbiased opinion.
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Well, at pains to make sure I don`t leave the slightest of cracks for the small minority to slate me for being biased - and maintaining my reputation for fairness and integrity I must say that these rad protectors seem great, and fantastic value too (my buggers are much more expensive but lets not forget you get what you pay for, well most of the time......).
I can see and support both sides and opinions (I do this a lot, its called sitting on the fence
) firstly this product does seem very much `fit for purpose` and as I said very much great value (I suspect its made from a stock mesh....). But with that said most impacts will be transmitted direct to the rad fins - I for one would certainly live with that especially at that price (some may say short sighted with the replacement cost of a rad........). Any design which incorporates some `off fin` protection (yeah I know, like mine but there's others out there with the same philosophy - TT for one, if you can get them this side of Xmas) should absorb `some` of the impact so I can also see the sense in them but, of course, this normally costs more.
And I also agree with Cookie - they will still spread some of the impact anyway - in fact I agree with everyone! And SMB, pal, if you decide to buy the mesh type ones I am sure they will be fine for you!
So, IMHO I think `flat against` and `off fin` each have distinct advantages - sorry if I appear somewhat un-opinionated, I`m just trying to offer a fair and unbiased opinion.
It very much depends if you ride with others or on your own tbh. The rads aren't high enough to avoid stone damage imho, and rad guards are a nice additional bit of safety. They stop the little stones from chipping the rads and prevent them from looking scabby too quickly.
If you ride with others, there is a tendancy to ride closer than you would if you were following a car, usually because you know and trust the guy/girl you are riding with.
There are plently of good sized stones around thanks to the abundance of pot holes.
I have an oil cooler guard on the 1150 (the oil cooler is way higher than the rads on the LC) and cooler has had some good dings from stones before I fitted the guard.
Anyway, it's not about protection, it's about blinging it up
Mark Hooton
Cymarcbikeparts
At some point during the vehicles life a stone or some other piece of road debris will find its way in there and wether or not it damages the radiators is the chance you take by not fitting a guard
You seem to have gone away from the "20% reduction in cooling efficiency argument" over to the "I don't see the point of fitting them if you only ride on the road" stance?
Benhur
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When I took my bike in to the dealers for its first service with the rad guards fitted all that was said was:
"Aerodynamics of the bike do push a lot of air through the radiator so it is very sensible to fit the guards, look nice too."
No mention of airflow restriction, invalidating the warranty or anything else.
"Aerodynamics of the bike do push a lot of air through the radiator so it is very sensible to fit the guards, look nice too."
No mention of airflow restriction, invalidating the warranty or anything else.
rode over 650mls in one day from austria sunday and kept an eye on the temp, ive got the hooton guards fitted and no difference in temp at all, all bikes have them fitted to save the expensive rads from being trashed from ducati panigalies, r1's etc. its no different to the oil cooler guards on the oil heads for loss of cooling area, plus they are the coolest guards ive ever seen
rode over 650mls in one day from austria sunday and kept an eye on the temp, ive got the hooton guards fitted and no difference in temp at all, all bikes have them fitted to save the expensive rads from being trashed from ducati panigalies, r1's etc. its no different to the oil cooler guards on the oil heads for loss of cooling area, plus they are the coolest guards ive ever seen
I can also confirm no change in engine water temp still running at 83 deg c with my DIY mesh guards fitted.
Mark Hooton
Cymarcbikeparts
rode over 650mls in one day from austria sunday and kept an eye on the temp, ive got the hooton guards fitted and no difference in temp at all, all bikes have them fitted to save the expensive rads from being trashed from ducati panigalies, r1's etc. its no different to the oil cooler guards on the oil heads for loss of cooling area, plus they are the coolest guards ive ever seen
awwwwwww
Mark Hooton
Cymarcbikeparts
But anyway..............
Due to the kindness of a fellow tosser I am momentarily going to push the pillion seat plate back one place so that I may get sorted with these pannier hangers.
Am thinking of some serious solid section aluminium for the two top hangers to hook onto, held onto a very nice stainless bracket with c/sunk fasteners with the bracket incorporating a `push off` feature to stop the panniers from `flapping in the wind`.
already sounds over engineered, will no doubt look nothing like the above and will cost a fortune (but I won`t charge anywhere near I should do).
Bit like those damn rad protectors.......................
god, I love my job
Due to the kindness of a fellow tosser I am momentarily going to push the pillion seat plate back one place so that I may get sorted with these pannier hangers.
Am thinking of some serious solid section aluminium for the two top hangers to hook onto, held onto a very nice stainless bracket with c/sunk fasteners with the bracket incorporating a `push off` feature to stop the panniers from `flapping in the wind`.
already sounds over engineered, will no doubt look nothing like the above
and will cost a fortune (but I won`t charge anywhere near I should do).Bit like those damn rad protectors.......................
god, I love my job
Mark Hooton
Cymarcbikeparts
OZGSer
Registered user
You guys are living in a bubble thinking it will not happen to you. You think people like me like to fit them to create a drama and have a point of conversation at the local cafe you go right ahead.
You are probably the same people who would hide your face and not post anything once it happens to you so you are not called out on here and be told 'we told you so'. There are always nay Sayers and this forum is no different.
Not even sure why I bother, probably because in some hope that it will save somebody some trouble in the future. But listen go right ahead and leave them exposed. I wish you the best of luck. I am sure you won't need any protection
The RadGuard covers sit about 2.5cm from the radiator cores, but you can't tell this in the pictures, but its a fact so your argument is pointless. You can also read this in the description on their website if you bothered to pay any attention.
I watched my engine temp too very closely when I got my bike after the first service and it would move between 81c and 84c. After fitting the radiators the temp readings are exactly the same. So those of you worried about air flow, stop bitching about it as some of us with balls tested the water for you drama queens so you can be safe.
Ride safe
You are probably the same people who would hide your face and not post anything once it happens to you so you are not called out on here and be told 'we told you so'. There are always nay Sayers and this forum is no different.
Not even sure why I bother, probably because in some hope that it will save somebody some trouble in the future. But listen go right ahead and leave them exposed. I wish you the best of luck. I am sure you won't need any protection
The RadGuard covers sit about 2.5cm from the radiator cores, but you can't tell this in the pictures, but its a fact so your argument is pointless. You can also read this in the description on their website if you bothered to pay any attention.
I watched my engine temp too very closely when I got my bike after the first service and it would move between 81c and 84c. After fitting the radiators the temp readings are exactly the same. So those of you worried about air flow, stop bitching about it as some of us with balls tested the water for you drama queens so you can be safe.
Ride safe
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