waterproof?
ive had a spada circuit jacket for 3 years and its 100% waterproof but poor vents in hot weather.This summer i got spada ravine trousers and they are sh#te, wet crotch rain, betty swallox when hot, they ended up in a bin in interlaken
ive had a spada circuit jacket for 3 years and its 100% waterproof but poor vents in hot weather.This summer i got spada ravine trousers and they are sh#te, wet crotch rain, betty swallox when hot, they ended up in a bin in interlaken
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bmwbikeruk
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Mark
In response to your comments "The HG Cruise jacket gets some positive comment on here, but I'm hoping to find gear a little lower-priced than that. It looks like a great jacket, but £280?! That's €400! I thought HG was marketed as well-priced quality gear?"
Beware of design faults on HG cruiser jacket (£280). I'm not happy with my jacket bought last May. Rather over the top with too many silly zips, too many front pockets and especially velcro straps that attack and eat into the soft textile material! Also loose buttons that came off the material! My friend had his HG Cruiser jacket replaced under warranty after only 11 months due to a hole on his right shoulder thanks to the offensive velcro strap on the collar! But he is still not happy with his 2nd jacket for same reasons as mine!
HG Cruiser may be OK if you wear storm hood at all times but if detached, velcro straps on the collar will attack, abrade and eat into the textile material on the shoulder! Also beware of front pocket velcro straps that can eat into the armpits! Another thing it is far too hot to wear in arctic summer even with thermal lining removed as I experienced last August! I wore a T-shirt underneath.
Anyway, have you seen a new HG MASTER V GORE-TEX PRO SHELL JACKET on Hein Gericke website? Only came out on 1st November 2007! It looks much better and far more sensibly designed than HG Cruiser. The downside is cost at £499.99!!!
A disappointed HG customer!
In response to your comments "The HG Cruise jacket gets some positive comment on here, but I'm hoping to find gear a little lower-priced than that. It looks like a great jacket, but £280?! That's €400! I thought HG was marketed as well-priced quality gear?"
Beware of design faults on HG cruiser jacket (£280). I'm not happy with my jacket bought last May. Rather over the top with too many silly zips, too many front pockets and especially velcro straps that attack and eat into the soft textile material! Also loose buttons that came off the material! My friend had his HG Cruiser jacket replaced under warranty after only 11 months due to a hole on his right shoulder thanks to the offensive velcro strap on the collar! But he is still not happy with his 2nd jacket for same reasons as mine!
HG Cruiser may be OK if you wear storm hood at all times but if detached, velcro straps on the collar will attack, abrade and eat into the textile material on the shoulder! Also beware of front pocket velcro straps that can eat into the armpits! Another thing it is far too hot to wear in arctic summer even with thermal lining removed as I experienced last August! I wore a T-shirt underneath.
Anyway, have you seen a new HG MASTER V GORE-TEX PRO SHELL JACKET on Hein Gericke website? Only came out on 1st November 2007! It looks much better and far more sensibly designed than HG Cruiser. The downside is cost at £499.99!!!
A disappointed HG customer!
PhaedrusMC
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These types of threads are good for throwing out options that might have been missed.
Had a look at the Spada Turin jacket & pants on the Feridax website - Milan doesn't appeal to me. I had seen the Circuit jacket & liked the look of that. But that Turin suit looks really good IMO, and would probably be ahead of the Bering stuff in my potentials list at this time.
I guess when you're buying clothing claimed to be "waterproof", you have to assume it's "as described" (ie: actually "100% waterproof"), and "fit for intended purpose for a reasonable length of time" (ie: actually "100% waterproof"). I wouldn't be shy about returning for replacement or refund any garment that suffered a lack of waterproofing if it had been sold to me as a "100% waterproof" garment.
So, if you take as given that any claimed-waterproof clothing is actually waterproof, choice then comes down to whether the style appeals, whether the garments fit well, and cost.
I like the look of various jackets & pants: some are what I would consider affordable, some are what I would consider unaffordable (seen the Spidi H2Out Gran Tourismo jacket? TASTY!). I'm not saying cheap/expensive, or over-priced/great value - just either affordable or unaffordable, from my perspective.
In these days of predominantly web-based purchasing (in my experience), we rarely get to try products before we've spent our money. Luckily, most sellers (again, in my experience) do facilitate try-and-return practice, so it's not a disaster if what you've bought doesn't fit in the living room - just return & exchange it for another size or product.
It's crap that it's only after we've spent our money & used the gear that we discover the products are not as they were described. Wasn't that a marvellous moment when Ewan was wringing water out of the sleeve of his "waterproof" jacket? Preserved forever on film for generations to observe & ask, "what jacket was that that leaked on Ewan McGregor? I must make sure I never buy one of those."
Actually, out of interest, what gear are those guys wearing this time?
I frequent other websites & forums pertinent to my other hobbies - fishing, music (I play in a band), and I still have an interest in diving, though it's years since I dived and would be a very rare activity for me now.
All of these activities are well represented online with review sites or review sections on forums. You name the piece of gear you're curious about and you'll probably find a user review of it - guitars, instruments & musical equipment, fishing tackle, fishing waterproofs, cars (Parker's, Honest John, What Car?, etc). But I've yet to come accross a site or forum that provides such a comprehensive review resource for bikes and particularly biking gear - am I missing something?
Model-specific bike forums are obviously great and probably the way to go - even better than a review site. This is a particularly good one, but how many newbies considering buying a GS have come on with their first post asking if there's such a thing as a used GS buyer's guide? Hmmm, I'm digressing and I might post a separate thread on this topic. Sorry.
A lot of people just write these incidences off as losses. I'm not a tight-wad, but nor am I financially-wealthy, and I do have a mortgage, wife & 3 kids all vying for a slice of my income, so I have no problem refusing any product that fails it marketing claims - not in the past and not now.
But I'll say it again - short of a lotto win, Rukka ain't ever gonna be on my shopping list!
Mark
EDIT:Bmwbikeruk - you were posting as I was typing. Your comments on the Cruise GTX jacket really interest me - the upper-arm adjuster in particular looks to me like a great place for water to get in. This is one aspect of the Spada Turin that I'd be curious about - lots of zips & adjusters, specially on the pants: water ingress points? The Bering stuff is designed much cleaner - bugger all zips & stuff.
Had a look at the Spada Turin jacket & pants on the Feridax website - Milan doesn't appeal to me. I had seen the Circuit jacket & liked the look of that. But that Turin suit looks really good IMO, and would probably be ahead of the Bering stuff in my potentials list at this time.
I guess when you're buying clothing claimed to be "waterproof", you have to assume it's "as described" (ie: actually "100% waterproof"), and "fit for intended purpose for a reasonable length of time" (ie: actually "100% waterproof"). I wouldn't be shy about returning for replacement or refund any garment that suffered a lack of waterproofing if it had been sold to me as a "100% waterproof" garment.
So, if you take as given that any claimed-waterproof clothing is actually waterproof, choice then comes down to whether the style appeals, whether the garments fit well, and cost.
I like the look of various jackets & pants: some are what I would consider affordable, some are what I would consider unaffordable (seen the Spidi H2Out Gran Tourismo jacket? TASTY!). I'm not saying cheap/expensive, or over-priced/great value - just either affordable or unaffordable, from my perspective.
In these days of predominantly web-based purchasing (in my experience), we rarely get to try products before we've spent our money. Luckily, most sellers (again, in my experience) do facilitate try-and-return practice, so it's not a disaster if what you've bought doesn't fit in the living room - just return & exchange it for another size or product.
It's crap that it's only after we've spent our money & used the gear that we discover the products are not as they were described. Wasn't that a marvellous moment when Ewan was wringing water out of the sleeve of his "waterproof" jacket? Preserved forever on film for generations to observe & ask, "what jacket was that that leaked on Ewan McGregor? I must make sure I never buy one of those."
Actually, out of interest, what gear are those guys wearing this time?
I frequent other websites & forums pertinent to my other hobbies - fishing, music (I play in a band), and I still have an interest in diving, though it's years since I dived and would be a very rare activity for me now.
All of these activities are well represented online with review sites or review sections on forums. You name the piece of gear you're curious about and you'll probably find a user review of it - guitars, instruments & musical equipment, fishing tackle, fishing waterproofs, cars (Parker's, Honest John, What Car?, etc). But I've yet to come accross a site or forum that provides such a comprehensive review resource for bikes and particularly biking gear - am I missing something?
Model-specific bike forums are obviously great and probably the way to go - even better than a review site. This is a particularly good one, but how many newbies considering buying a GS have come on with their first post asking if there's such a thing as a used GS buyer's guide? Hmmm, I'm digressing and I might post a separate thread on this topic. Sorry.
A lot of people just write these incidences off as losses. I'm not a tight-wad, but nor am I financially-wealthy, and I do have a mortgage, wife & 3 kids all vying for a slice of my income, so I have no problem refusing any product that fails it marketing claims - not in the past and not now.
But I'll say it again - short of a lotto win, Rukka ain't ever gonna be on my shopping list!
Mark
EDIT:Bmwbikeruk - you were posting as I was typing. Your comments on the Cruise GTX jacket really interest me - the upper-arm adjuster in particular looks to me like a great place for water to get in. This is one aspect of the Spada Turin that I'd be curious about - lots of zips & adjusters, specially on the pants: water ingress points? The Bering stuff is designed much cleaner - bugger all zips & stuff.
rudiemoto
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bellstaff
nice one
you laugh, but i had one of these years ago
and it was a sight more waterproof than the gore tex shite i bought from HG.
Hawk
Guest
I've usually found Weise clothing reasonably priced and waterproof.
http://www.weise-clothing.co.uk/
http://www.weise-clothing.co.uk/
PhaedrusMC
Guest
Surfing has also landed me on these - both of which have some really good looking gear, specially Rev'it.
IXON:
www.ixon.fr/
http://www.motoblouz.com/affiche_prod.php?marque=51&type=veste
REV'IT:
www.revit.eu/
http://www.rev-it.co.uk/cat223_1.htm
Mark
IXON:
www.ixon.fr/
http://www.motoblouz.com/affiche_prod.php?marque=51&type=veste
REV'IT:
www.revit.eu/
http://www.rev-it.co.uk/cat223_1.htm
Mark
falcoron
Registered user
spada
sorry guys i meant SPADA TURIN
WATERPROOF
BREATHABLE
WARM
WITH VENTS
Do you mean the Spada Milan?
sorry guys i meant SPADA TURIN
WATERPROOF
BREATHABLE
WARM
WITH VENTS
falcoron
Registered user
UUHH?
AND YOU WEAR?
emm...something that doesn't look like it came out of an '80s Fieldsheer catalogue perhaps?
AND YOU WEAR?
AND YOU WEAR?
The std issue Dakar legend apparel...
..
Rallye2
The perfect choice for a lap or two around The Ring
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falcoron
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ring?
From what ive read here, from the guys that know, all you'll get is "LAPPING ROUND YOUR RING! oh eer missus LOL.
The std issue Dakar legend apparel...
..
Rallye2
The perfect choice for a lap or two around The Ring
From what ive read here, from the guys that know, all you'll get is "LAPPING ROUND YOUR RING! oh eer missus LOL.
falcoron
Registered user
lwd
I see the real legends didnt go for the BM gear on LWD, learned a good lesson last time, but seems the Belstaff stuff leaks like a sive too!
Not a good advert for that gear and im sure its a fortune too.
Must admit though the BM stuff looks the best out of all the gear ive seen.
just not too practical for our weather though.
All in all i have to say im happy with the Spada. but if it fails sometime i will let you all know. Only been wearing it a short while, but still water proof, and very warm. Trousers are too long though for us short arses.
Any Northern Ireland run outs planned soon. Would like to meet you guys if anythings happening let me know and ill see if i can get some time off work
Cheers
Ron
The std issue Dakar legend apparel...
..
Rallye2
The perfect choice for a lap or two around The Ring
I see the real legends didnt go for the BM gear on LWD, learned a good lesson last time, but seems the Belstaff stuff leaks like a sive too!
Not a good advert for that gear and im sure its a fortune too.
Must admit though the BM stuff looks the best out of all the gear ive seen.
just not too practical for our weather though.
All in all i have to say im happy with the Spada. but if it fails sometime i will let you all know. Only been wearing it a short while, but still water proof, and very warm. Trousers are too long though for us short arses.
Any Northern Ireland run outs planned soon. Would like to meet you guys if anythings happening let me know and ill see if i can get some time off work
Cheers
Ron
rudiemoto
Registered user
Summer
Registered user
I have Frank Thomas jacket and very waterproof, have been caught before now in torrential rain on motorways and been bone dry underneath.
This site here are offering some two piece waterproof textiles at bargain prices at the moment but dont know what they like, was lookin myself just the other night:
http://www.click2buybikegear.com/viewproduct.php?id=277
This site here are offering some two piece waterproof textiles at bargain prices at the moment but dont know what they like, was lookin myself just the other night:
http://www.click2buybikegear.com/viewproduct.php?id=277
rudiemoto
Registered user
its mad people spend 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,grand on a bike then wear cheap bike gear thats at least 15yrs old from date of manufacture,please please relise that bike clothing is design to safe elbows and backs
YOU can put a price on keeping dry and protected
any way nuff bullsh t
that look good if it keeps you warm and dry
justed order rev it all roader gear will up date you all
ps pop in for a brew need some advise on modding my gsa
ps all bmw ,duck riders get 30% of labour on servicing cheers jono
YOU can put a price on keeping dry and protected
any way nuff bullsh t
that look good if it keeps you warm and dry
justed order rev it all roader gear will up date you all
ps pop in for a brew need some advise on modding my gsa
ps all bmw ,duck riders get 30% of labour on servicing cheers jono
I would now steer clear of HG after my £300 goretex jacket with its super dooper 5 year guarantee started to leak after 3 1/2 years of light use.
HG's answer was the jacket is out of our 2 year warranty and you will have to get in touch with goretex and claim on their 5 years guarantee.
Problem is that they then want you to send them the jacket to test it, if it leaks then to find out if the goretex is faulty they then plan to disect it.
If the goretex is faulty they will pay towards a replacement (no exact amounts specified), however, if it leaks and the goretex membrane is not at fault its out of the HG guarantee so the jacket now all nicely cut up is scrap and you get nowt.
So the only way I'd now buy a HG goretex jacket would be to keep the receipt very safe wear it into the ground for 23 months and then when its beggered take it back and demand a replacement or refund under HG's 24 month warranty
HG's answer was the jacket is out of our 2 year warranty and you will have to get in touch with goretex and claim on their 5 years guarantee.
Problem is that they then want you to send them the jacket to test it, if it leaks then to find out if the goretex is faulty they then plan to disect it.
If the goretex is faulty they will pay towards a replacement (no exact amounts specified), however, if it leaks and the goretex membrane is not at fault its out of the HG guarantee so the jacket now all nicely cut up is scrap and you get nowt.
So the only way I'd now buy a HG goretex jacket would be to keep the receipt very safe wear it into the ground for 23 months and then when its beggered take it back and demand a replacement or refund under HG's 24 month warranty
