Which foot do you use??

First thing that got knocked out of me when doing my ROSPA training was the shuffle. its the first thing I knock out of other people now I train.

It looks untidy, its time-consuming at the get-away its pants.

Left foot only comes down where the camber requires its, the surface if bad or where its too windy.
 
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This whole thread is like pissing in the wind...

Those who want to continue using the Hendon shuffle just because they have been doing it for x number of years will continue to do so...

Those of us who change feet depending on the situation will continue to do so..

There have been 180 replies to this topic, I hardly see another dozen or so changing anyones mind...

Please.... lets just let it lie... :thumb




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Well this is what we are taught............

as a current serving class 1 motorcyclist in the Police we/I always put right foot down. I never used to until I became a Police Motorcyclist. The reason for this is mianly as it looks neater when you are stationary and dont have to alter legs to ingage gear etc. This is even more important when riding as a group of marked job motorcyclists as everyone should look the same and act the same, everything is "uniform". This also looks neat when on VIP escorts etc.
However, if due to the surface,conditions high winds, make it dangerous or an issue to use the right foot then obviously use your left. On my own GS I still used my right foot as it is now engrained in my riding.
Hope this is of some use.
Also.............the which brake thing, I only use the front on the road unless I was practicing emergency stop then I would use both. Rear is also great for scrubbing speed off mid corner on track days............but for the road I just dont use it.


I agree entirely...perhaps the final word(s) on this thread :)
 
I dont put any foot down....just sit there with both the gear lever and the rear brake covered.....
Can you get any more perfect than that?:P








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Right foot is not always best, even if the person saying it is a police motorcyclist - it is far better to be flexible and act intelligently rather than slavishly follow rules.
 
This whole thread is like pissing in the wind...

Please.... lets just let it lie... :thumb

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I totally agree Nate :thumb

If those that had started posting again on this dormant thread had read all the previous posts they'd have yawned and gone to bed... or at least poured another :beer:

It's all been covered :thumb

Yawn.... errr mmm noooo :beer:

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Laughing Gas you're like an ex smoker getting on about no smoking since you got dat outfit :dabone

:beer: over di weekend?
 
I dont put any foot down....just sit there with both the gear lever and the rear brake covered.....
Can you get any more perfect than that?:P








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I was told that Police advanced motorcyclists have to be able to balance a bike at stationary for 15 or 20 seconds without putting any foot down.

This should cover most T junctions, roundabouts and many traffic light controlled junctions.

Any wonder they get such big discounts on their insurance!
 
Right foot most of the time because that is the way I was taught, shuffling feet to change into neutral only if I know its going to be a long wait. Both feet if I have a pillion passenger. I have been supprised by a camber or two but am tall enough to counter them. The right foot makes for the smoothest control, I think.
 
I was told that Police advanced motorcyclists have to be able to balance a bike at stationary for 15 or 20 seconds without putting any foot down.

This should cover most T junctions, roundabouts and many traffic light controlled junctions.

Any wonder they get such big discounts on their insurance!


Jeez I have trouble just standing straight that long.:D
 
T'hendon shuffle

Hi Jaq,

coming from a sports tourer - I have been lucky enough to follow lots of bikers and watch their footwork, and discuss same with folks at Devils Bridge.

Seems that folks coming through CBT are left foot first, then hendon shuffle.

Folks riding for 2 years or more, realise that there is less faffing with "right foot first", leaving leftie available for gears.

I do, do both. But I favour right foot first.

Hope that helps stop you being "wobbly"

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Not in Neutral

Our police instructors ( at Tally Ho Birmingham) have always taught that you should not be sitting in neutral at a junction or lights. Simple if in gear with clutch in you can move the bike instantly out of the way of a hazard ( a car skidding as it makes a turn ...an artic driver miscalculating the turn ) in gear you have a delay.

So leave it gear, with clutch in , therefore left foot no shuffle needed
 
My local IAM group state it's right foot down unless there's a good reason not to.

But so long as it all looks 'planned' it doesn't matter
 
My local IAM group state it's right foot down unless there's a good reason not to.

But so long as it all looks 'planned' it doesn't matter

I like using my left foot sometimes - which is a good reason for not using my right. So it's nice to see that they agree with me.
 
My technique, which hasn't had any use for a year, bike was stolen, is as follows.

If it's clear stopping is avoidable at lights, slow-ride with back brake/clutch control.

If stopping is inevitable, neutral while still rolling, front/back brake, left foot first. If it's a long stop both feet down and relax the hands, none of this constantly holding the clutch in b/s. Watching for indications the lights might be about to change, pedestrian lights or other vehicles slowing, engage first at that point, ready for a quick launch on amber.


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My technique, which hasn't had any use for a year, bike was stolen, is as follows.

Watching for indications the lights might be about to change, pedestrian lights or other vehicles slowing, engage first at that point, ready for a quick launch on amber.

You're a fool then. Anyone attempting to copy this technique is at their peril. An amber light means stop.
 
In central London during rush hour for me and pretty much every other 2 wheeled vehicle Amber is read as Green.

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In central London during rush hour for me and pretty much every other 2 wheeled vehicle Amber is read as Green.

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I love watching the twats trying to be first away at the lights.

The car/bike/skiplorry/bus jumping the lights coming across can take them out instead of me :D I've witnessed it far too many times not learn.
 
Which foot do you use?

Chaps,

I have read through the preceding pages. & I can see that this topic clearly “fires up” a few folk, so I thought I’d weigh in with my two ha’porth.

Whilst there have been a number of views presented, & often there is no single “right way, the thing that has not been discussed so far is WHY the Hendon Shuffle or Two Step was once very important, & why today it is less so.

I started my private motorcycling in 1969, & first rode Police motorcycles in 1973, becoming a Class 1 in 1974. At that time the Triumph 650cc Saint was pretty much the national standard, along with a smattering of 650cc BSA’s, & the then new Norton Commando Interpol’s were starting to win customers in Police fleets.

From the early 1960’s onwards the British manufacturers had started to change their drum front brakes from single leading shoe to twin leading shoe format ( TLS ), which gives a much better braking performance from speed; what it does not do is give any real braking effect when the bike is moving backwards.

Before someone pipes up with “I haven’t got reverse gear on my GS, you ought to be on the K1200LT forum”, this becomes relevant if the motorcycle is stationary on an up slope. The rider would come to a halt, be holding the front brake on as hard as he could, but the bike would slowly move backwards. The rear brakes however, were invariably of the 1 leading/1 trailing shoe format, so worked equally well forwards or backwards.

If the rider came to halt on a slope, placed his bike in neutral, then placed his gear foot down, he could then hold the bike comfortably & safely on the rear brake, until the time came to move off, when he performed the required dance steps, & off he went.

Bear in mind this was the early 70’s, so the Police rider was “he”, & also, just to further confuse, we were at that time in the process of going over from the traditional British style right-side gear change to the now universal left-side.

In 1976 my Force, Gloucestershire, changed over to BMW’s - 75/6’s - & many other Forces opted for the Commando Interpol, but one thing they had in common was that both these machines were equipped with front disc brakes. They were nowhere near as good as the brakes we take for granted today, but they did, of course, work equally well in either direction.

Our Regional Driving School took the view that the “shuffle” was no longer needed, so the rider could come to a halt, snick into neutral, but place his back brake foot down, leaving his “gear foot” on the foot peg ready for the off.

I have to say I had forgotten the real reason for the “shuffle” until a few years ago when I rode an old drum braked R75/5 around the Cotswolds, equipped as standard with a TLS front brake. I came to a “Give Way” line on a steep upward slope, came to a smooth halt, then had a hells’ own job holding the plot upright as gravity kicked in, & back she tried to roll. Then I remembered.

To concur with some of the very well reasoned arguments above, some from serving or retired colleagues, & I am pretty sure I know a number of you already, the camber & state of the road is most important, & when Testing I look for the candidate to show that they are in control of their machine, & they can use which ever foot they wish, as long as they are comfortable & the machine is stable.

If carrying a pillion & luggage, or in adverse weather, with high winds, even worse if those winds are gusting, I may well place both feet down, & of course linked- or semi-linked brakes just muddy the waters a little more.

I do like to keep a wary eye on my mirrors, to see what’s approaching me whilst I am stationary, ready for evasive action, so perhaps we can start a new thread of “How close should I stop to the car in front?”.

Just my thoughts, you may differ.
 


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