Windfarms on my doorstep, What can you do?
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Brooner
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They will be given to locals
See? I told you
LOL - it was like that for us when we moved to the village we used to stay in, and we were still "white settlers" after 14 years when we moved out!
Oh, and we moved from from another Aberdeenshire town to the village.
What we found on Skye was the "white settlers" with there holiday homes that spent just a few weeks a year on the Island were the ones shouting the loudest.
Jeremy Isaacs being one, who were tryin to use there name to bully and influence any development plans.
Windfarms up and running and Amec are suing the likes for the disruption caused
Ah well, looks like "Wrong John Skyer" the well known thread pirate has taken this off after the english.
Found this place, I think I will write to a couple of people and get a feeling of how the wind lies
http://www.writetothem.com/?keyword...id=494396979&gclid=CJPy2LTO25gCFYh_3godYTJFbQ
You never know might get lucky.
It seems the road is doomed to have trucks slowing things down and bursting the road surface for a good while, I'll have to find another playground, Loch Ness perhaps thats only a few miles away and they would'nt dare to put crap up around the loch, would they?
Didnt expect these reactions thanks for the input guys
Raggi
Uinneag
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Don't give up so easily
Just because we all didn't jump on your bandwagon
Just because we all didn't jump on your bandwagon
Don't give up so easily
Sorry but I dont think you read my post. I wont be sitting on my erse for this one. see below
Found this place, I think I will write to a couple of people and get a feeling of how the wind lies
http://www.writetothem.com/?keyword...id=494396979&gclid=CJPy2LTO25gCFYh_3godYTJFbQ
You never know might get lucky.
Not sure what you mean by that, but I already know there are two sides to the story and have acknowledged this previously (See below.). I'm not annoyed by anyones comments about this subject, in fact they have been (For the most part
) informative.Gents
This has sparkedoff people on both sides of the debate
If youve got a bandwagon going on, then good for you
Thanks for the kind words tho
Raggi
Uinneag
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Nae bother I prefer talking about farting and drinking anyway
Blind Lemon Ade
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D'you have a Scottish equivalent of the Campaign for the Protection of Rural England* ? They may be renamed "Protect (insert county here)" or something...
They're helping us fight off a "freight interchange" depot which may concrete over the AONB and Green Belt land where I live...
Oh, and wind turbines kill bats, it's the fall in air pressure near the blades makes their little lungs explode, was on the BBC and everything!
* Here: http://www.ruralscotland.org
They're helping us fight off a "freight interchange" depot which may concrete over the AONB and Green Belt land where I live...
Oh, and wind turbines kill bats, it's the fall in air pressure near the blades makes their little lungs explode, was on the BBC and everything!
* Here: http://www.ruralscotland.org
Gents
This has sparked
I am not only a nimby but if I can get these things stopped elsewhere just show me where you want me to sign.
NOT IN MY BACK YARD if I can help it.
Raggi
Sad fact is that electricity has to be made in somebody yard.
What we need is locally generated power everywhere, you can choose Gas burning, coal burning, Nuclear, wave or wind the rest of use don't care, but if your going to use electricity then the ability to decide that it should be generated elsewhere where it affects other people but not you should not be an option.
Nobody should be able to say, only in somebody else's back yard !!!
On a personal level I love wind farms I think they enhance the scenery, and have lived at various time near several, and parts of the world dear to me now have several, I would rather see them than a smoke belching coal plant or or Nuclear waste from a nuclear plant, I personally have never had the arrogance to suggest that my way of life or my scenery should be protected over somebody else's.
Fact is that when we burnt coal the power stations went near to the power source, or where it could be brought in by boat or train, fact is now that wind is becoming a new power source and they have to go where its windy not much point in putting one somewhere else, so parts of the country previously unaffected by such issues are now going to have to get used to what everyone else has had to do for years, its now you turn to shoulder some of the burden and stop complaining about it, if you don't like it move somewhere remote and don't use power.
.... the damn things breed like rabbits and populate the area
There's the problem, if population control was introduced there would be less drain on the earth's natural resources and no need to build more windfarms
AberdeenAngus
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Are wind turbines really that green??
As far as I am aware, the wind turbines are largely made of aluminium, and that needs huge amounts of electricity to refine....what powers the smelters....etc....
Bottom line, whatever you do, has a negative effect of some description
Towers are steel and the blades are fibre glass or similar composite.
Payback for energy consumed during manufacture is a couple of years.
Pretty green compared to the alternatives.
AberdeenAngus
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Nukes are pretty quick to spin up on demand.
Remember, we have a good idea when the demand is coming i.e. half way through X-factor when all the kettles get turned on !
There's the problem, if population control was introduced there would be less drain on the earth's natural resources and no need to build more windfarms
Are we allowed to make suggestions on where to start
I'm compiling a list
AberdeenAngus
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Not necessarily. We can use store power quite easily. At the moment, one of the best sites is in Wales where we pump water into a reservoir up a hill and let it back down at times of peak load. We could build several such sites if needed.
We could also electrolize water and produce hydrogen. Pipe it where we want it and burn it when needed to produce power - producing only water as a wast product. Probably use something easier to handle than pure Hydrogen - ethanol (say), or we could manufacture Methane (Natural Gas) and save importing the stuff from Norway or Russia at great epense.
We have many existing hydrocarbon pipelines running around the country and places to store gas such as Morecombe bay.
The idea that wind power is not storeable is a myth, i'm afraid.
AberdeenAngus
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In answer to the original post - what can you do about it ?
Fight it through the planning process i.e. object, with evidence, against the particular clauses in the process that are grounds for dismissing the application.
In order to do this you must either get to know the process or hire a specialist. Chaining yourself to bulldozers doesn't work. Identifying poor drainage or finding a rare snail on the site, does !
As explained to me by a senior planning officer - "not wanting it" is not grounds for objection.
By the way, the planners have another acronym,
You've heard of Nimby's - Not in My Back Yard.
How about "Bananas" - Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone...
In my opinion windfarms are great - offshore. That's where the future is at.
But just try telling the fishermen that........
Doesn't matter what you do, you'll always piss off some interest group.
Want to know who is the most effective group that regularly fights and wins against things like wind farms........the RSPB. Boy, are they organised.
Fight it through the planning process i.e. object, with evidence, against the particular clauses in the process that are grounds for dismissing the application.
In order to do this you must either get to know the process or hire a specialist. Chaining yourself to bulldozers doesn't work. Identifying poor drainage or finding a rare snail on the site, does !
As explained to me by a senior planning officer - "not wanting it" is not grounds for objection.
By the way, the planners have another acronym,
You've heard of Nimby's - Not in My Back Yard.
How about "Bananas" - Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone...
In my opinion windfarms are great - offshore. That's where the future is at.
But just try telling the fishermen that........
Doesn't matter what you do, you'll always piss off some interest group.
Want to know who is the most effective group that regularly fights and wins against things like wind farms........the RSPB. Boy, are they organised.
Uinneag
Guest
I was at a meetin and the RSPB said that windfarms kill eagles.
To which a reply was if they can see a mouse from 1000ft and can't see a windfarm then it's not much of an eagle
AberdeenAngus
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Do your research. Communities faced with windfarm developments usually form an action group and these groups invariably have websites.
In each of these groups you will find a retired major/head teacher/vicar who is the resident expert on wind farm planning matters.
Tap into this valuable resource.
I've just googled "wind farm protest group" and got many great hits.
Suggest you do the same as a starter for 10.
I am all in favour of wind energy but not at the expense of our countryside. That's why I think they should go offshore. Scotland has the best wind in the whole of Europe (not too fast, not too slow). If you've ever driven around Germany or Denmark and seen the proliferatioin of wind turbines you will see what we might be facing if we don't get smart.
Onshore towers are a waste of time - what difference does a dozen towers make, or even fifty.....nothing. Especially as the onshore towers are babies compared to the big boys offsore. Typical large onshore turbines are 2.5 MW. Offshore ones we are planning are 5MW and even 7.5MW are on the cards.
We could put up (say) 20 wind farms of 200 towers each and really start to make a difference.
In each of these groups you will find a retired major/head teacher/vicar who is the resident expert on wind farm planning matters.
Tap into this valuable resource.
I've just googled "wind farm protest group" and got many great hits.
Suggest you do the same as a starter for 10.
I am all in favour of wind energy but not at the expense of our countryside. That's why I think they should go offshore. Scotland has the best wind in the whole of Europe (not too fast, not too slow). If you've ever driven around Germany or Denmark and seen the proliferatioin of wind turbines you will see what we might be facing if we don't get smart.
Onshore towers are a waste of time - what difference does a dozen towers make, or even fifty.....nothing. Especially as the onshore towers are babies compared to the big boys offsore. Typical large onshore turbines are 2.5 MW. Offshore ones we are planning are 5MW and even 7.5MW are on the cards.
We could put up (say) 20 wind farms of 200 towers each and really start to make a difference.
AberdeenAngus
Registered user
I was at a meetin and the RSPB said that windfarms kill eagles.
They do say that but the evidence is slow in appearing. Several surveys have been carried out and failed to find piles of dead birds around wind towers. Better objection would be if the proposed site was used for nesting or feeding by migrating birds.
Like I say, get to know the planning process. There are only certain grounds on which you can object.
