Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

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Devon said:
My country, England, represents the vast majority of the population of Great Britain yet we have no say if it should be broken up .......
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...and that's the bit that not fully come out of the woodwork

It's like a separation or divorce, if one party wants to go that's ultimately their decision, their vote. The other party may want to influence it with insight and commitments but that's all it can be.

But once one has decided 'voted' that they want out they need to be fully aware that what's required to make that happen is something everyone involved has a say in and those that want a YES need to be acutely aware if that.

Continuing the divorce/separation annology one party may vote to go and they can walk away to their own agenda but if their agenda requires sharing of asserts and agreements in what we will all do that agenda and the outcome is not something they set alone.

Maybe what's required should a YES vote happen is a Vote for the rest of the Union to say if we YES or No to the terms of the separation being proposed
 
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Oh dear...............he's absolutely right you know, please all vote YES so the rest of us can get on with our lives, listening to that crap is grinding me down, please just go!
 
Den said:
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Intresting we are supposed to be in a Union yet he talks about one of the Team as though they are something to detest....

I always thought that Scotland would like to be another Norway, not Brazil :nenau
 
Grinding you down eh?. Well, you see Mr fatal, I started this thread in the Scotland section of this forum, thinking foolishly that it would be mostly Scottish members, or others with an interest in matters pertaining to Scotland.

I did not intend it to be read by non-residents, and because as you know, a yes vote would relieve England of its troublesome, expensive to maintain rainy wasteland, I thought we could just get on with our infighting amongst ourselves. A bit like crossing the street to avoid the idiots.

Sadly not though. Rather than snigger quietly at our silliness, and ignoring us, you choose to join-in! The council estate which is tacked onto the top of your green and pleasant land is knocking itself down for christs sake .... and you are protesting!

You are missing the ADVANTAGES you can have. Imagine being able to scroll down the list of countries when you are booking something on line, and instead of going right to the bottom until you find two pathetic letters 'UK', you can be listed near the top under El Salvador ... 'ENGLAND'. We, would still be down the list near the bottom under Saudi Arabia.

When some greasy foreigner asks are you from? ... The UK? You can now drop the 'the'. Who wants a 'the' prefixing their country? You can now say "I'm from England"

Think of the economic advantages for your poor northern towns. When we have to increase taxes on everything, we will be crossing the border in our droves to by cheaper fags and petrol, paying taxes into your exchequer! "Why-aye, them jocks cleared me shop oot o all me tabs, ahm loaded me"

You can have your cross of St George flying proudly. YOUR flag! Sing out Jerusalem at the top of your voices without bothering about offending anyone. Sing out There'll Always be an England ... and England will be free, with gusto and pride.

Your country will flourish without the drain of us. There will be bluer skies over the white cliffs of Dover, Morris dancing round every corner. Fantastic new submarines in your harbours.

Go for it lads. Dont let us grind you down Mr fatal. Your better than that. You are English. You have paid for us for too long.

You could even have a real Border!! Every country should have a border. You have never had a border for years ... just a beach. I heard a German saying to his pal .. " Ha Ha, zay do not even haf ein border, ve haf nine, poor englanders, zay chust haf beachez unt cliffs".
You could build a state of the art border, with big gates and guards and things.

Think of it. BBC News headlines.
English border guards captured 6 smelly Scottish asylum seekers hiding in the back of a truck today. "we were only looking for a better life in your country", said a bedraggled ginger man, still dressed in the compulsory kilt. "Alex Salmond has re-opened the pits and we have never seen daylight for months."
Immediately recognised as Scots as they had no noses, having cut them off to spite their faces, they were sent back over the border with a boot up the arse after being interrogated.

You only have a few weeks to convince us to vote yes. Dont waste the time.
 
Den said:
Grinding you down eh?. Well, you see Mr fatal, I started this thread in the Scotland section of this forum, thinking foolishly that it would be mostly Scottish members, or others with an interest in matters pertaining to Scotland.

I did not intend it to be read by non-residents, and because as you know, a yes vote would relieve England of its troublesome, expensive to maintain rainy wasteland, I thought we could just get on with our infighting amongst ourselves. A bit like crossing the street to avoid the idiots.

Sadly not though. Rather than snigger quietly at our silliness, and ignoring us, you choose to join-in! The council estate which is tacked onto the top of your green and pleasant land is knocking itself down for christs sake .... and you are protesting!

You are missing the ADVANTAGES you can have. Imagine being able to scroll down the list of countries when you are booking something on line, and instead of going right to the bottom until you find two pathetic letters 'UK', you can be listed near the top under El Salvador ... 'ENGLAND'. We, would still be down the list near the bottom under Saudi Arabia.

When some greasy foreigner asks are you from? ... The UK? You can now drop the 'the'. Who wants a 'the' prefixing their country? You can now say "I'm from England"

Think of the economic advantages for your poor northern towns. When we have to increase taxes on everything, we will be crossing the border in our droves to by cheaper fags and petrol, paying taxes into your exchequer! "Why-aye, them jocks cleared me shop oot o all me tabs, ahm loaded me"

You can have your cross of St George flying proudly. YOUR flag! Sing out Jerusalem at the top of your voices without bothering about offending anyone. Sing out There'll Always be an England ... and England will be free, with gusto and pride.

Your country will flourish without the drain of us. There will be bluer skies over the white cliffs of Dover, Morris dancing round every corner. Fantastic new submarines in your harbours.

Go for it lads. Dont let us grind you down Mr fatal. Your better than that. You are English. You have paid for us for too long.

You could even have a real Border!! Every country should have a border. You have never had a border for years ... just a beach. I heard a German saying to his pal .. " Ha Ha, zay do not even haf ein border, ve haf nine, poor englanders, zay chust haf beachez unt cliffs".
You could build a state of the art border, with big gates and guards and things.

Think of it. BBC News headlines.
English border guards captured 6 smelly Scottish asylum seekers hiding in the back of a truck today. "we were only looking for a better life in your country", said a bedraggled ginger man, still dressed in the compulsory kilt. "Alex Salmond has re-opened the pits and we have never seen daylight for months."
Immediately recognised as Scots as they had no noses, having cut them off to spite their faces, they were sent back over the border with a boot up the arse after being interrogated.

You only have a few weeks to convince us to vote yes. Dont waste the time.
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That's great never thought of it like that.It would be like loosing your arsehole and never having to take a shit again. Put me down for a yes ,please .
 
I wonder how many voters will be misled by the lies coming from eck, and the likes of the dopey old fart above, trying to invent scare stories about the NHS, which is wholly devolved to the Scottish Government, and has been for some years. Anything 'bad' happening to the Scottish NHS is completely and fully the responsibility of eck and the accolytes, now, in the past, and in the future.

I'm sure they will realise they are being fed a crock of shit in order to shore up a failing campaign. Signs of desperation??
 
gerarddwatts said:
I wonder how many voters will be misled by the lies coming from eck, and the likes of the dopey old fart above, trying to invent scare stories about the NHS, which is wholly devolved to the Scottish Government, and has been for some years. Anything 'bad' happening to the Scottish NHS is completely and fully the responsibility of eck and the accolytes, now, in the past, and in the future.
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You seem to be ignoring the fact that the overall Scotland budget is set by the Westminster. - http://www.yesscotland.net/news/why-are-no-campaign-saying-different-things-north-and-south-border
 
Yes I'm ignoring your link to a campaign document from the indies.

I prefer Jack McConnels view:

'A former First Minister has intervened in the referendum debate, and called the SNP’s scaremongering over the NHS a big huge lie.

Jack McConnell was First Minister from 2001 and 2007. Under his administration, the Scottish Parliament led the UK in health policy, such as the smoking ban.

He felt the need to speak out against the SNP lies on the NHS this week, branding their scaremongering a “big huge lie” and a “national hysterical soundbite”.

Today, as part of the UK, all the decisions about our NHS are taken in Scotland whilst the funding for it is protected by pooling and sharing our resources across a population of 63 million people rather than just 5 million people.

What the nationalists have not explained is how they will protect the funding for our NHS in a separate Scotland.

The experts, such as the Institute for Fiscal Studies have said that a separate Scotland would face £6 billion of public spending cut in the years after independence.

That is half of our entire NHS budget.'

The big risks to health care in Scotland come from independence.
 
gerarddwatts said:
I prefer Jack McConnels view:
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Of course you would. It's doubly ironic that it's a Labour politician's view. The only reason you prefer it is because it's consistent with your self interest in preserving the status quo. Fuck the proles..... :rolleyes:
 
Schtum said:
Of course you would. It's doubly ironic that it's a Labour politician's view. The only reason you prefer it is because it's consistent with your self interest in preserving the status quo. Fuck the proles..... :rolleyes:
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Fuck the proles????

Come come now.
 
Why are the No campaign saying different things north and south of the border....

More and more people are waking up to the threat that a No vote poses to Scotland’s NHS, following the stark warnings in the past few weeks from Labour politicians south of the border.
Westminster’s privatisation of England’s health service could see NHS England effectively broken up within a decade, according to Labour in England, with the prospect of patient charges replacing public funds. And funding is already being squeezed as the Westminster government shrinks the public sector, according to Labour in Wales.
We need a Yes to protect public services from damaging Westminster cuts
Scotland’s overall budget is set by Westminster. It has already faced cuts and is due to fall once again in the years ahead, despite what the No campaign claim in Scotland. Just this week Alistair Darling said, “Scotland’s budget is increasing and has increased”. (BBC 19th August 2014) But we know that is wrong:
Change in Scotland's budget real terms;
2011-12 -5%
2012-13 -0.8%
2013-14 -2.5%
2014-15 -1.3%
2015-16 -1.9%
A wholesale privatisation of the NHS, as Labour warn, could mean even more cuts for Scotland’s budget, putting unacceptable pressure on our health service.
No campaign politicians have previously warned of the Westminster threat
Today the No campaign says Scotland’s NHS can’t be damaged by Westminster cuts but they said the exact opposite in previous campaigns. Labour MPs including Alistair Darling got elected campaigning on the threat that the Tories at Westminster pose to funding for our public services.
But now they are asking us to trust the Westminster Tories with the future of our NHS.
Despite the NHS being devolved, funding for our health service is determined at Westminster – as Labour have made clear. And that is why our NHS is threatened.
During the 2010 UK General Election, Labour politicians told voters in Scotland “the NHS… is not safe in the hands of the Tories”. And in their 2010 election broadcast, Scottish Labour warned the Tories “wouldn’t fight for the NHS.
They call it a 60 year mistake. The Tories would… slash funding for schools and hospitals… They haven’t changed.”
If Tory cuts were a threat to Scotland’s schools and hospitals in 2010, they are a threat to Scotland’s NHS now.
No politicians elsewhere in the UK are being honest about the NHS threat
The privatisation of NHS England by Westminster could see the NHS radically altered and broken up within five to ten year, according to UK Labour. And the changes Labour politicians are warning about down south would pose a significant threat to our funding and to Scotland’s NHS.
The No campaign are saying different things north and south of the border, in an attempt to hide the scale of the threat posed by Tory privatisation plans, but if even one of the threats highlighted by politicians down south comes to pass, then Scotland’s NHS could be damaged:
• The break up of the NHS - In July, Labour’s Shadow Health Secretary, Andy Burnham, delivered a speech which alerted many in Scotland to the true scale of the threat to the NHS. Mr Burnham warned: “NHS privatisation is now proceeding at pace and scale… if things stay as they are, the competition framework foisted on the NHS will in the end break it up. It won’t survive five more years of this.” He added “five more years of [privatisation] would push the NHS off the cliff‐edge”.
• More patient charges - Mr Burnham has said that the current reforms represent “The first steps towards an American healthcare system. English hospitals now asking for credit cards before they give care.” If his claim is true, this would see patients paying for services, with private cash replacing public investment. That would automatically mean spending cuts for Scotland.
• Public sector squeeze - In Wales, Labour’s Health Minister has said the public sector has already been shrunk, leading to spending cuts in the Welsh NHS. He said, “the government at Westminster has an ideological view that the state is too big. By 2015 they will have spent five years reducing it. If they are presented with another five years of doing that, the NHS in Wales will be a very different organisation to the one it is today.”
With a Yes we can protect our NHS
A Yes vote is the best way to protect Scotland’s NHS – only then will we have the cast-iron protection that our health service needs from the knock-on effects of Westminster privatisation. In addition, we can use our vast wealth to deliver truly world-class public services, just as similar wealthy nations do.
With independence, we can halt the threat posed by Westminster privatisation, a threat Labour in England is shouting from the rooftops, but the No campaign in Scotland wants to hide. And we can give our NHS a constitutional guarantee, ensuring that it remains a fully public service, free at the point of use.
 
Toddy pull your head out of your ass & face the facts the fight for independence is over and was only ever a mirage.it’s never going to happen.if we actually had people capable of running our country then maybe things would be different.as it stands we would be better employing the three stooges or billy smart & his flying circus cos we would be over run by clowns.Salmonds mistake was thinking the public were imbeciles and would follow him like the pied piper.Yes i know Westminster will always be london centric & think of themselves first.we had the chance but unfortunately all ours are fecking retards aswell & would destroy our country.
 
Summary of idle conversations

In the course of my job, I work in customers houses and premises. Recently, the conversation seems to get round to the referendum. I do not instigate it ever. My customers are of every type. Not a big sample by any means, but a varied sample none the less.

Every NO voter I have met has a purely personal reason for voting NO.
Every YES voter I have met have non- personal reasons for voting YES.

One friend told me that he is voting NO only because his step son works at Rosyth Dockyard.
One customer (with a house larger than my street) said it was not in his financial interests to vote yes.
One business owner told me. "Ive worked hard to get here. I'm not risking it. Fuck everybody else"
One customer said, "I'm American. We have to vote no".
One customer said. "look at him (Salmond was on telly) who'd vote for someone who looks like that .. and that Sturgeon woman isnae braw ..is she?

Not one YES voter I have spoke thinks they are going to be better-off in their lifetime, but feel its the best thing to do for the country.
 
Den said:
In the course of my job, I work in customers houses and premises. Recently, the conversation seems to get round to the referendum. I do not instigate it ever. My customers are of every type. Not a big sample by any means, but a varied sample none the less.

Every NO voter I have met has a purely personal reason for voting NO.
Every YES voter I have met have non- personal reasons for voting YES.

One friend told me that he is voting NO only because his step son works at Rosyth Dockyard.
One customer (with a house larger than my street) said it was not in his financial interests to vote yes.
One business owner told me. "Ive worked hard to get here. I'm not risking it. Fuck everybody else"
One customer said, "I'm American. We have to vote no".
One customer said. "look at him (Salmond was on telly) who'd vote for someone who looks like that .. and that Sturgeon woman isnae braw ..is she?

Not one YES voter I have spoke thinks they are going to be better-off in their lifetime, but feel its the best thing to do for the country.
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And there you have it...no voters are basing their decision on how they see Scotland faring, and equating it to how it will affect us all personally.

Yes voters are basing their decision on.....well, I don't think even they know, but they have some fanciful notion that it'll all work out fine and Scotland will be a utopia, flowing with milk, honey, council houses, free everything AND grouse for all.

So no voters are in the real world, yes voters are on their own planet.
 
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