Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

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I know you arel busy, cant be arsed, modern folk, but have a cuppa and watch this

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seems like an honest pleasant chap.
 
boatman said:
Now getting into good debate :thumb2
So far it has seemed to me to be very parochial AND short termist
Most of us on this forum are mid aged guy,s ,I myself MIGHT live another 20 years
So this is NOT really about us, I personally ,recon to be poorer off financially if the YES goes through , but that is not a reason IMHO not to grasp the opportunity.
How many countries have been born/ reborn without a shot being fired or a pint of blood being spilled ?
Now is not a time to be timid over a few quid and potentially a bit of personal inconvenience :thumb2
IMHO we owe it to the generations coming after us to give them their own destiny :)
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Couldn't agree more. I was saddened to see the argument grind on about whether you'd be a few quid a week better/worse off after independence.
 
boatman said:
IMHO we owe it to the generations coming after us to give them their own destiny :)
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Sigh, if you really believed that you would be screaming from the roof for only people under 25 to be allowed to vote and it seems most of them see breaking up the union for the crock of shit it really is.
 
Schtum said:
Apart from disrespecting the terms of the thread as posted by Den at the outset (but that's not reall a surprise), I've said it before, the Internet has created a myth that everyone's opinion is valuable. It isn't. The only ones that are valuable are those that are borne out of intelligence, experience, maturity, kindness, tolerance and liberalism. Besides which as someone who doesn't have a vote, his and all the other opinions of people who are not resident in Scotland are, in this context, nothing more than hot air. The only productive debate might be between people who are entitled to vote and in this case that doesn't apply because there's little prospect of anyone changing their views. However, I think you might benefit from examining your reasons for voting no. Insight is often the road to change.
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Whilst that may be true, all of in the UK have a stake in this issue whether you like it or not. As a UK citizen, I would really like to know what effect Scottish independence has on my wallet as I'm sure there will be a change somewhere. I've not really studied the why's and wherefore's but no one really seems to know the true outcome financially with regards to oil revenue, banking revenue etc etc etc. If Scotland do go independant, does it mean that the rest of the UK (England Wales and NI) lose all oil revenue for instance and what effect will this have on our countries finances and future financial stability? Also, does independence mean that the UK treasury stop sending any money across the new border to top Edinburgh's coffers up? If the sums don't add up for an independant Scotland, do they end up being a basket case like Greece? Can Scotland actually stay in Europe or do they have to apply to join and what effect will that have on the rest of the UK?

These, and many more, are genuine questions which effect everyone and have yet to be answered in my opinion by the show boating and grand standing politicians.

I'd love Scotland, Wales and NI to have a lot more devolvement from Westminster and to have the means to run their affairs in a better way to suit their needs but is full independance a step too far given all the doubt surrounding it?
 
Den said:
Does anyone want to comment on content of this video ?
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Nope...I'd rather read this:

"Again and again Salmond asked his opponent: “Will you accept the sovereign will of the Scottish people?” But Darling could hardly be heard amid the Nat roars when he tried to ask: “What about the sovereign will of the people in the rest of the UK.” For the record, all the UK’s principal political leaders have said they will not share sterling.
Then Salmond claimed what he clearly thought was his biggest win. In fact it was his biggest deceit. He said – and was still saying yesterday – that as an internationally traded currency the pound could be used by anyone. He won more cheap cheers when he got Darling’s agreement on this but, yet again, hardly anyone could hear the latter’s additional response that Scotland could use the rouble or the dollar, too, if it wanted. For those who turned away from their screens at this bedlam, the essential point is that in this turn of events, Scotland’s currency wouldn’t have a central bank to back it up and could therefore be hammered by international speculators.
Salmond’s fall-back position if he can’t use sterling, in a formal union, is well known – he’d default on Scotland’s share of the UK’s national debt which he said had been built up by Mr Darling when he was chancellor and by George Osborne, his successor. But, as Darling said, if he did default Scotland’s position would be: “Here we are, a new country, and we’re not paying our debts.” The result then, as economists the world over have predicted, would be that an independent Scotland would be subjected to huge interest charges – forcing mortgages and bank loans sky high and severely damaging job prospects and public spending."
 
Den said:
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I love it, a disgruntled ex-government employee (he was sacked as ambassador to Uzbekistan), who left his (Scottish?) wife and two children to marry a women he met in an Uzbekistan lap dancing club, talking about the moralities of the government :rolleyes:

I wouldn't trust his word more than any other politicians.
 
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