You're funnee.....................!
And spot on and as usual you are blind to reality and to the rest of Tim's intelligent, thought provoking post
Yes or no. Scottish residents only please
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And spot on and as usual you are blind to reality and to the rest of Tim's intelligent, thought provoking post
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You're funnee.....................!
It's not nice to laugh at folk like him Al...
FWIW a pal of mine ( English, Unionist,fine fella) put £100 on a YES vote a few months back . Got 7-1. Last month he stuck on another £50 but got 3-1. Last week he put on another £50 and got 7-2.
I wonder what the odds are today..
Scottish members of the armed forces get a vote.
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9-2 apparently.
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So if RUK wants to leave Europe should the French and everyone else get a vote ?
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What's the communications plan for the independent Scotland?
Great nations need great commuincations
Great communications leads to great nations
Who's going to invest in that infrastructure? - there is some mobile network owned by the French, the Spanish and and English company that would get a far greater return on its investment building infrastructure in India and China.
In an era when the amazing evolution of communications are the biggest factor in shaping an economy I think this point needs understanding - I'd be intrested in hearing the views of those that could be affected by this
Great nations need great commuincations
Great communications leads to great nations
Who's going to invest in that infrastructure? - there is some mobile network owned by the French, the Spanish and and English company that would get a far greater return on its investment building infrastructure in India and China.
In an era when the amazing evolution of communications are the biggest factor in shaping an economy I think this point needs understanding - I'd be intrested in hearing the views of those that could be affected by this
FFS !!
Judging by some posts on here you'd think Scotland would be unable to do anything when Independence comes, do you lot south of the border think Scotlands just going to stop working altogether ??
Judging by some posts on here you'd think Scotland would be unable to do anything when Independence comes, do you lot south of the border think Scotlands just going to stop working altogether ??
In Shetland we benefit from the local councils decision to encourage and buy into a Faroese fibre optic cable. BTs efforts in outlying areas are lamentable. Time for some fresh positive thinking!!
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AberdeenAngus
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Thats exactly what some seem to think. They forget Scotland built half the civilized world. They see Scotland as a poor ignorant relative living off their hand-outs.
This thread has certainly shown some folk in their true colours.
My 'ignore' list is growing rapidly.
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But please remember....not all people think this.
I know you don't really care what my (or anyone else's) view is on this matter....and why should you really? This is a personal decision that you have to make on what will be best for you.
I know you may disagree with me, but I feel that the North Sea oil is no more Scottish than the NHS is Welsh - These are resources that are part of the United Kingdom. Having said that, if Independence is voted for, then of course the oil would be in your territorial waters (etc etc) so would be a resource of Scotland. My point is not to say "it's not yours, it's mine"....but to say that I don't feel that it is a "You" and "Us" situation....I feel that we are all the same people (and given that that we are all under the foot of the same politicians!).
My aim is not to offend...so I hope I have not.
Mark
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I was in Iceland a few months ago and I've been there many times and its a very independent country............ALL of my friends there think Scotland should have its own independence and can't see any downside at all.
So, I was taking some photos on my cycling trip around Iceland and a Chinese man offered to take a photo of me and my bike next to some massive waterfall and noticed the Scottish flag on my panniers so we immediately got talking about Scotland............I thought he was on holiday in Iceland aswell but he was part of a trade delegation and had been there for three years.
This guys English was better than my own and he was very well informed and said matter of fact.............After you have independence you will need to sign a trade agreement with China and your economy will grow faster than you ever imagined!
The future as in many parts of the world to a lesser or greater extent is probably Chinese!
So, I was taking some photos on my cycling trip around Iceland and a Chinese man offered to take a photo of me and my bike next to some massive waterfall and noticed the Scottish flag on my panniers so we immediately got talking about Scotland............I thought he was on holiday in Iceland aswell but he was part of a trade delegation and had been there for three years.
This guys English was better than my own and he was very well informed and said matter of fact.............After you have independence you will need to sign a trade agreement with China and your economy will grow faster than you ever imagined!
The future as in many parts of the world to a lesser or greater extent is probably Chinese!
No not at all, my question though was a serious one.
Commuinactions do have an affect on economies and countries need suppliers of these services to invest (already happened) and continue to invest (technology moves fast) - A lot of investment is driven by the total opportunity and regulation and this will change with an independent Scotland.
They do say the meaning of what you say is in the response you get so I appologisse if you think I was having a pop at an independent Scotland's ability to survive. That was not the case, I've always been intrested in how commuinactions change economies and I'm intrested in how things could change for Scotland.
...and BTW there can be benefits from not being tied down to the ways a larger regulated market works.
I think you will find that there is already an entity of "Scottish Territorial Waters" which (apart from Labour's largely unanounced attempt to alter the border) is already defined.
It is inconceivable that Scotland as an independant country - would not own their own prescribed Territorial Waters.
Territorial waters and mineral resources cannot be viewed in the same manner as a service such as the NHS. The NHS is an asset which has been paid for by all 4 constituant countries within the present UK&NI
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Scotland might do OK after some years when everything is sorted I am sure but it will take more then wishful thinking outlined in a 'white paper' which is all you are voting for at the moment. It's got Darian written all over it at the moment unfortunately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
Sigh, apparently after you are independent you will use someone else's currency, probably the £ but maybe the $, euro, rouble or maybe the yuan. Who knows? Then you have told a crumbling EU you will join them even though they have told you it will take many years even if you are allowed in and members of the EU aren't allowed to sign trade agreements, only the EU can do that on your behalf. I think you need more then the word of a tourist you met on holiday that your economy will grow faster then you ever imagined!
This is embarrassing 
Iceland is the most expensive travel destination in the whole world.
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It used to be, but that was before the Icelandic Krona collapsed. It's difficult when you have such a small currency and no central bank.
Apparently not, see this Daily Telegraph article
I've been told I was a bit harsh on David Cameron for deciding such a biased voting system. The referendum is in fact something that's totally under the control of the Scottish Parliament. It's an 'advisory' referendum—Scotland doesn't have the power to declare independence, but if the Scottish citizens (well, actually just those in Scotland at the time, plus a whole pile of Chinese students at Scottish universities) vote "yes" then it becomes a mandate to start negotiations with Westminster.
If, in the meantime, the Westminster government changed, and let's say UKIP was the party in power, I wonder whether the answer to the request might just be a simple, "no" (but actually couched in such draconian terms that mean the same thing).
Yes, as defined in the Continental Shelf Act 1964 and the Continental Shelf (Jurisdiction) Order 1968. But just because Weasel Salmond wants, doesn't mean he gets. There's likely to be a lengthy discussion about just how much an independent Scotland would get, see the article in today's Scotsman, warning that the amount Scotland would get is less than many think, and it is “unlikely that Westminster will be flexible” in the negotiations.
There was also an interesting article in the Sunday Times about Shetland; how it feels closer to Norway than Scotland, would they want to be part of an independent Scotland? Certainly Norwegian flags on display in quite a few places in Shetland and Orkney.
I didn't see a single Saltire when I visited and was surprised at how many English people escaped the rat race to live in Orkney and the Outer Hebrides. I think you'd find Orkney and Shetland would own more of the North Sea oil than Scotland, which might well set off another 'greed-driven' independence movement. That would be a laugh—for Salmond to think he's stolen back 'his' oil only to find it taken away again by a couple of groups of soon-to-be very-rich islanders.
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My understanding is that oil revenues are currently allocated to an economic entity called the UK Continental Shelf. Therefore the revenues are currently (and I stress the word currently) an asset of the UK.
It should be clear from my post that I state that this would obviously transfer to Scotland should Independence be voted for.
Again...I did not mean to offend, I am just putting my views and opinion across as I find this a fascinating subject, and hope that whatever happens it works out for all those that are directly affected by it.
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