Zumo or 2820

As you say, each user will have different requirements, but even if you don't get a Zumo, do the rest of us a favour and write to Garmin and tell them that unless they have an option to cancell the autoroute you won't be buying one - maybe that way they will give us another firmware release without autoroute :thumb2

Regards,
Dale

Thanks for sharing your experiences, Dale.
Believe me, I've sent a list of Norway Mapsource deficiencies to Navteq already. Maybe they can be adressed in Mapsource v10 next year or this autumn. I really don't know yet and can only speculate.

I've also three times filled in the Garmin Support Form with questions regarding the Zumo. Garmin don't even bother responding. If Garmin had a Support Forum I'd chip in there for sure.

Until I see a more functional Mapsource autorouting for Norway, all I can do is warn foreign riders not to trust that feature. The legal consequences can for enthusiastic dirt/offroaders be hefty 5-digit fines. For paved-road riders some rather peculiar and time-consuming nav-errors along undesired paths.

The Zumo customer target group can experience peculiar results when riding in Norway if trusting Mapsource autorouting, so it's only fair to warn about this until Navteq gets enough user input. This may take years since the official Norwegian map company ( www.statkart.no ) don't seem to communicate efficiently with Navteq. This can quite simply be a business/copyright issue with large sums of money involved. Them is the breaks.

regards
 
If you ever intend to do any off roading, or ride where the mapping runs out (Morocco for example) then the 2820's no good whatsoever for you.

It's seriously flawed as a GSer's GPS.

So what would you use if you wanted to do some off road riding, go where the mapping runs out and also (most of the time) travel round the Uk and Europe?

The issue with the 2820 (and so I assume Nav 3) seems to be no expandable memory - which would seem to be a retrograde step from the 2610/Nav2?

I would like a unit which does me for every day - like finding UK addresses/postcodes, touring Europe but would also be suitable for say North Africa and off road. Does this exist, or do I need a 2720/2820/Nav 3/Zumo for the UK/Europe and something else for off road/out of Europe.

I've trawled the archives, and conclude that a 2610/nav 2 would be best - but no longer made!!!

Any thoughts?
 
Not sure why the 2820 isn't a GS'ers GPS... the 400meg of excess memory (CNNT8) is quite a lot of memory for extra maps... and you can take the Europe map out of it (copy the file to your HD) and you get 2 GIG of map memory...

That'd just about load every "extra" map that I've ever heard of ...

Granted a memory card slot would be good to have.

To be honest, for mostly adventure riding, I'd own a 60CX... I own a 60C right now, and had it mounted to my GS.. it survived a windshield breaking, console bending crash in Norway just fine, worked great...
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The only reason I upgraded to a 2820 was to get voice prompts, bluetooth telephone link, and the POI (speedcamera) ability...


Al...
 
Now comes the real killer … if you have correctly loaded an off road route and follow it correctly from start to finish correctly, it works perfectly. IF, however, you deviate along the route, the GPS sees you are off route and tries to recalc from your new position to the end point, but because you are off road, it can’t route you along the road and simply draws a straight line from your current position to the end – bugger. Again, if that happens, simply delete it from the unit and re-import it from the SD card. Clearly not a very elegant solution. :blast

This puzzles me, but I guess we all have our preferences.
To me this sounds like a seriously flawed off-road GPS.:augie
What I want is my precariously PC-planned routes intact with inserted via-points. I also want turn-prompts when this route is activated on a dirt/gravel-road in off-road modus.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the above even using the Zumo in off-road mode makes it recalc the preplanned route if I deviate from it? Didn't the offroad mode turn route recalc off after the latest firmware upgrade?

So, in summary.
For road driving (routable maps) the Zumo is slightly better due to its greater accuracy.

I beg to differ since autorouting is seriously flawed on Mapsource data here in Norway. If I ride with my paved-road-only ST1100 in larger, well-mapped cities the Zumos's route prompts and always-on autorecalc can be an asset. That's not what I prefer though - I most often choose to ride the fastest route through or around cities and venture other less populated districts when touring. Travelling outside big cities I'd also encounter continuous, involuntary route recalcs when deviating for a fuel stop, have a snack etc. enroute. In this respect I consider the Zumo flawed for my personal use. On the 26xx/27xx/28xx series I can work around this by turning route recalc off.
That's the most effective workaround I've yet experienced since I detect when being off-route and can "manually" find my way back to the preferred highlighted route. The Zumo will not allow such user control.:nenau

Off road the zumo is lots better (and will be even better when the auto-recalc problem is solved.) but you need to keep your wits about you and make sure you are in the correct "mode".
The zumo is easier to live with on an everyday basis (battery, size, etc).

I guess it boils down to taste, but to me your description of the Zumo's off-road capabilities makes me even less interested in buying it. I've also read another (HMR) Swedish Zumo-owner's desciption of its lacklustre moving-map features and continuous recalc frustration and therefore still consider the Zumo less capable as a dual-purpose bike GPS than the 2820. This also because the Zumo has less screen resolution/less detail than the 2xxx series when used as a moving map.:blast

The Zumo appears to me as an excellent GPS for 60-80% of paved-road users wanting an easy-to-use point-and-shoot GPS unit. Provided you ride in Mapsource areas with reliable auto-routing data that is. My experience is that an always-on-route-recalc unit will send you up all sorts of undesired paths in Southern Norway. Dale's description enhances my personal sceptisism towards the Zumo as an off-road//dirt-road/adventure navigator. Older Garmin units IMO actually have better map features and user control over routing features. But that's me.:eek

Dirt-track/offroad and more GPS & PC-experienced/advanced users (like myself) requiring more advanced moving-map features and total control over preplanned routes are from my viewpoint better served with a unit allowing auto route recalc to be turned off. That favours the 26xx/27xx/28xx, 60cx/cxs, 276c/278c in my book.

P.S. And hey, what's the point of the Zumo having large, glove-friendly zoom-buttons on port side if the darn unit controls the zoom level based on speed etc.?:blast

Again, YMMV. :beerjug:

regards
 
Am a little perplexed by the comments about Norway, and dont think that they can be put down entirely to the unit in question and used to guide decision making on which unit to go for.

Garmin license the detailed map data from Navtech and package it up with MapSource and ship it as one of 2 core versions:
- MapSource City Navigator (for the 26xx and older products)
- MapSource City Navigator NT (for the Zumo newer products)

I spoke with Garmin yesterday and was advised that the "NT" version is the new version and offers much better compression than the non-NT version, which means a lot less memory space required for both.

So in a nutshell, according to Garmin, the map data is the same regardless of whether you have a Zumo or a 2820. However, the way in which the devices work are without doubt quite different.
 
Getting a GPS system for the GS has been at the back of my mind for some time.........on hold as I'm 'laid up' for some time yet (and not to mention lack of funds! :) )

Thanks for this very informative thread!.........:thumb ........can I interject with a simple question on the Zumo:
Is the only difference between the 500 and the 550 the European Maps? - if so that extra £100 seems a lot of money for mapping that is available much cheaper elsewhere (not thinking of 'pirate' copies at all :augie ) such as:
Original GARMIN City Navigator NT Europe v9 Update DVD
Either way is the hefty price tag really worth it when compared to the price of units like the 2610??

Sorry..........two questions :o
 
My point is that the default lack of precise automatic route data in Mapsource makes the Zumo less ideal for my usage since it will auto-recalculate me off my on-the-PC-preplanned preferred gravel/dirt-track if I deviate from said route.

This can be an asset if I ride my touring-rig Honda ST1100 in well-covered, paved road Mapsource City Navigator areas, but as you describe; all units share the same Mapsource data base. Therefore my prefs will be i favour of the unit which gives me better control over the route and map features.

To me the Zumo's excellent SirfstarIII antenna and MP3/BT/TMC functionality are worthless if the unit doesn't allow me to decide when/if the route recalc shall take place. Mapsource data in Southern Norway are too unreliable for my taste, effectively ruling out an Always-on route-recalc unit like the Zumo. It would drive me crazy.

I want a GPS navigator to make preplanned route & turn prompts along non-paved roads + I want to decide manually when the unit shall recalculate my planned route - not automatically send me back to tarmac or take unwanted shortcuts as it does now. Pure prefs favourizing the 2820 in my book. The Zumo doesn't allow this yet, but has other advantages (SirfIII/MP3/BT/TMC) for people riding on paved roads.

I spoke with Garmin yesterday and was advised that the "NT" version is the new version and offers much better compression than the non-NT version, which means a lot less memory space required for both.

That's correct, but the route recalc functions are the same, thus the Zumo and 2820 share the same map advantages or flaws. As a motorcyclist I don't need a GPS nav that automatically allows itself to send me up unwanted paths in unknown areas (Zumo) while route recalc and autozoom can be manually switched ON/OFF on the 2820.

So in a nutshell, according to Garmin, the map data is the same regardless of whether you have a Zumo or a 2820. However, the way in which the devices work are without doubt quite different.

As mentioned it then boils down to personal taste and user prefs.

If you want an easy-to-use GPS nav with flexible SD-card memory, excellent SirfIII antenna, MP3/BT/TMC and non-user-selectable route recalculation, go for the Zumo. If I only rode on paved roads I could live with the Zumo - in well mapped Mapsource areas providing better route data that is. As mentioned this unit can send a foreign rider ups some strange routes in Southern Norway due to several badly covered auto route districts. Not my choice.

If you want better control over map features (route recalc ON/OFF + autozoom ON/OFF) MP3/BT/TMC and can live with its fixed 2GB memory; go for the 2820. I certainly will consider the 2820 while waiting for a Zumo firmware upgrade - if it ever will allow me to control the mentioned map features.
The Perfect Motorcycle GPS is quite frankly non-existant. I could also fancy a 276c/278c, but that's another discussion.

To me the 2820 has the features I need while the Zumo is not as fit for my purposes for dirt/gravel-rides. I plan my routes beforehand and want to use the nav as a moving map as well as be able to control and set a fixed zoom level and turn off the route recalc function myself. The 2820 has a less powerful antenna than the Zumo but fits my purposes better.:thumb2
 
Is the only difference between the 500 and the 550 the European Maps? - if so that extra £100 seems a lot of money for mapping that is available much cheaper elsewhere (not thinking of 'pirate' copies at all :augie )


Andy,

you would need to check with the suppliers in the UK, but in our market the 550 has the following that are not in the 500....

Internal memory:
550 = 2GB
500 = 500MB
Bear in mind that you can use a 4GB sd card, so there is a way around the smaller memory of the 550.

Text to speech:
500 can do it, 500 not. iow, the 550 will say "in 500 meters, turn left on Oxford Street" the 500 will say "turn left in 500 meters'

Car mounts:
The 550 comes with a vehicle mount and cigarette lighter cord in the box as well as the motorcycle mount that is shipped with the 500.

Dale
 
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doesn't the zumo also come with a European safety camera database? Not sure if this 2820 has one.
 
Andy,

you would need to check with the suppliers in the UK, but in our market the 550 has the following that are not in the 500....

Internal memory:
550 = 2GB
500 = 500MB
Bear in mind that you can use a 4GB sd card, so there is a way around the smaller memory of the 550.

Text to speech:
500 can do it, 500 not. iow, the 550 will say "in 500 meters, turn left on Oxford Street" the 500 will say "turn left in 500 meters'

Car mounts:
The 550 comes with a vehicle mount and cigarette lighter cord in the box as well as the motorcycle mount that is shipped with the 500.

Dale

Thanks Dale, that makes more sense of the price difference..........I must try harder when doing research :blast
 
The Zumo 500 Deluxe comes with the Euro maps on DVD, so if you can live without the extra features of the 550, it's a significant saving.
 
Why not just say you are a truck? This option doesn't send me down silly side roads....

Just a thought....

That depends entirely on personal judgement and local geographical knowledge enroute.

Admittedly I refrain from entering mentioned silly side roads based the above mentioned local knowledge.:augie
However I can still document grave errors in Mapsource autorouting data for Southern Norway.
FYI: Reports are sent to Navteq.
 
doesn't the zumo also come with a European safety camera database? Not sure if this 2820 has one.

The camera database offered with the Nuvi is just a 3 months subscription to an expensive offering by Garmin... There are lots of cheaper alternatives...

I suspect the zumo is the same offering...

Al...
 


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