Chain recall thread

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This is not going away and BMW are still vacillating. I spoke to Martin Ryder of VOSA again today and he is still waiting for BMW's response, (see my post of 5/10/09).

If anyone is worried about the possibility of chain failure then don't just replace the chain - go to your dealer and make a fuss...ask what BMW are doing about the problem.....quote the failures reported on this site....say you know that VOSA are investigating this as a safety issue....ask for confirmation that your bike has the "new spec" chain and if it doesn't then demand one.

If you get no joy write to BMW customer services about your concern and contact VOSA via their website or phone Martin Ryder direct on 0117 9543486. BMW will continue to ignore this issue unless we hassle them. By all means buy your own DID chain (I had to) but don't just let it rest at that - ask BMW to reimburse you, after all you will be spending £80 to £100 because they put cheap rubbish on your bike and then charged you top dollar for it.

Let's get it straight the F800GS is not a cheap bike "built to a price" as some people have said on this site, the implication being that we put up with component failure. It is £8000 worth of kit all in and we should demand higher standards from BMW, after all Triumph produce all the Bonneville 800cc variants at well under £7000.
 
RESULT (part 1)

:clap following our e-mail to the dealer and BMW customer Services, BMW called SWMBO this morning with the news that they are to issue a recall to replace the chains under warranty.
don't know the chassis number ranges but her July (IIRC) 09 red one was going to get a recall letter in a couple of days. (small consolation that that is seeing as how it's just snapped) :eek
SWMBO reminded them (as per the email) on the phone that she was wanting a heavy duty chain fitted & they will get back to her. (that'll be result part 2 hopefully)

so thanks to all those who've put in the official complaints ahead of us. :beerjug:
 
My response from BMW Motorrad...

Having read with interest and concern, the various reports on here regarding the failings of the standard 800GS chain, I contacted my local dealers and BMW for their view. I'll post the responses from BMW here as it may help indicate their current thinking on the matter:

My original email to BMW:

From: Me
Sent: 23 March 2010 10:29
To: Customer Service - UK (BMW)
Subject: F800GS Chain Failure Concerns
Importance: High


Dear Sir/Madam,

I recently purchased a 2008 F800GS in a private sale. The bike had done 700 miles when I picked it up and is pristine. I have covered a further 700 miles since picking it up a month ago, and am very pleased with my move from Triumph to BMW having previous ridden a Triumph Tiger 955i. The bike has recently been serviced at Allan Jefferies in Shipley and appears to be in A1 condition.

The reason I am contacting you is due to something I read in the April 2010 edition of Visor Down magazine, where they published an article looking in depth at buying a used F800GS. The review the magazine printed was generally positive, though it did raise a concern regarding the quality of the chain, particularly in 2008 bikes. 11 of the 77 (14%) owners questioned for the article complained of chains either snapping within the first 2000 or needing replacing within the first 3000 miles.

Obviously this has concerned me, as a chain snapping at 70 mph on the motorway could be potentially fatal, so I decided to look into this further. I joined a couple of BMW forums, and found the following thread on the issue of faulty chains posted on the popular site www.ukgsers.com http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195682

The thread lists reports in excess of 38 chain failures, the majority being on F800GS, and many failing in the first few thousand miles. Fortunately no one on the site has been seriously hurt through the chain failure, but as somewhat of a novice rider (with only two years experience under my belt), the reports I have read, on the back of the magazine article, have now caused me to question the safety of my new bike.

I have spoken to my local dealer, Allan Jefferies, who have assured me that it is not their experience that there is a problem with the chain.

In the article in Visor Down magazine, there is a paragraph that states:

"Chains. Some were part of a duff batch and wore very quickly or even broke. A BMW dealer should replace and in the affected frame number range."

I am not sure where this information comes from, but clearly that view has either not been passed onto dealers, or is a view that is not shared by my local dealer.

I would be very grateful if you could please give BMW's view on this issue in order that I can make an informed decision on how to deal with the concerns I have. If there was a 'duff batch' that affect a certain range number, I would appreciate it is you could tell me whether my bike (VIN number provided) falls into that range.

I am sure that you will appreciate how reading something like this about a motorbike that is not only my transport to work, but also will be used for touring with my girlfriend riding pillion, is of great concern and currently is effecting the level of pleasure I gain from being out on the bike. I am checking the chain thoroughly once a week for signs of wear, and ensuring that it is lubed correctly, but having read some the reports on UKGSER, these precautions do not necessarily rule out the possibility of the chain snapping.

Due to the nature of these concerns I would be extremely grateful if you would respond to my query as soon as is possible.

Kind Regards,

Me


The first response from BMW was:

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 25 March 2010 11:52
To:
Subject: Case 1-5856408961


Dear

Thank you for your email dated March 23, 2010. I am sorry to learn of the concerns that you have with the safety of the chain on your BMW F800GS.

BMW Motorrad take great pride in the build quality of all our vehicles and it is always concerning to receive correspondence of this nature. I completely understand your frustration and concern over the future reliability of your vehicle and I would like to apologise that your experiences to date have caused you to feel this way.

Although we are confident in the design and manufacture of our vehicles, we appreciate that due to their electrical and mechanical nature, occasionally components can fail unexpectedly. It is for this reason that we supply all our new vehicles with a comprehensive three year manufacturer's warranty with the option to extend this before it expires. This policy is in place to protect our customers in the event of manufacturing related fault.

Customer's safety is paramount to BMW Motorrad and, if there was a safety related problem with any component on our vehicles, we would have issued a product recall.

I am sorry that you have had cause to write to us under these circumstances and that you feel unsure as to the safety of you bike, however, the precautions that you are taking are what we would suggest can be done.

I have researched this matter on your behalf and began by reviewing the failure reports, customer feedback and part order information that BMW collate in order to determine if a fault is common. I have checked our records and I am unable to locate information which confirms that the defect you have noted is an inherent fault within our vehicle range.

I have noted your comments and concerns for future reference, should it be required.

If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

BMW UK

Customer Service Executive
Ellesfield Avenue
Bracknell RG12 8TA
Tel: 0870 5050 122
Fax: 0540 5050 205
Email: [email protected]
URL: www.bmw.co.uk


Not satisfied with this response I went back to them:

-----Original Message-----
From: Me
Sent: 25 March 2010 12:15
To: BMW UK Customer Support
Subject: SR 1-5856408961

Dear

Thank you for your response.

As I understand it from your email, the information in the Visor Down magazine (April 2010) is therefore incorrect. Are you saying that BMW Dealers are not expected to replace chains for bikes in an affected frame range, as to your knowledge there is no affected frame range?

Can you confirm that my bike should have a 3 year manufacturer's warranty, as my understanding is that my bike only has a two year warranty, which has now expired?

And finally, whilst your research has not located information to confirm the defect noted, clearly there is evidence through the riders themselves that this is a serious and ongoing issue. Can you please advise the best way for this growing evidence to be reported back to BMW in order for the matter to be dealt with effectively.

In the meantime, I assume that if I want piece of mind, I should purchase a new chain and have it fitted through my local dealer at my expense?

Many thanks for taking the time to look into this, and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards


And this was their response:


Dear

Thank you for your email dated March 25, 2010.

Please accept my apologies for the error in our previous response regarding your bike's warranty coverage. I can confirm that your bike had a two year dealer warranty and not a three year warranty as quoted in our email dated March 25, 2010.

BMW Motorrad collate customer feedback, part orders and failure reports submitted by our approved dealership network to compile detailed information regarding our bike ranges. This information is assessed by BMW Motorrad Germany on a regular basis to determine whether a fault is common or whether any remedial action is required. I can confirm that your feedback has been recorded and will be used internally.

I appreciate that you would like advice from BMW Customer Services regarding the replacement of the chain. As this component has not been highlighted as being a defective part, no remedial action has been issued by BMW Motorrad Germany. Therefore, should you wish to replace this part any associated costs would be your responsibility.

I trust that this information addresses your enquiry, however, should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

BMW Motorrad UK
Customer Service Executive
Ellesfield Avenue
Bracknell RG12 8TA
Tel: 0870 5050160
Fax: 0870 5050205
Mail: [email protected]
URL: www.motorrad.co.uk


:nenau

So there you have it. Both the local dealer and BMW Motorrad are saying the same thing. They are not aware of an issue, and as of the end of March they were certainly not talking about a recall.

Whilst I understand the logic that thousands of these bikes have been sold, and if the issue is not flagged up with BMW or the dealers then, in their eyes this is not an issue, it does not stop me from being concerned about a motorway malfunction where I may not be able to just simply coast to a safe stop.

Therefore, for my own piece of mind I will be doing what most others seem to have done, and stump up for a new (non-BMW) chain, and have it fitted at my expense.

Other than that, i'm loving the bike. :bounce1

Hope this helps or at least adds to the mix, and apologies for the length of the posting.

As a matter of interest, if I was to get a new chain fitted with about 1500 miles on the clock, would I also need to replace the sprocket, any any suggestions for the best brand of chain?


Cheers, Ian
 
Recall?

I attach a letter I have just had from VOSA indicating that BMW are about to do something (other than deny there is a problem). If they recall and offer to fit new chains it will not do any good for those of us who have already shelled out for our own HD chain, and I doubt they will be offering us refunds, so by delaying for 2 years BMW will have saved themselves the cost of replacing most of the faulty ones.

Remushowl, thanks for posting your correspondence from BMW customer service which is quite incredible in it's deceitfulness. They are quite simply lying to their customers. Check out my post on page 6 from 22/08/09 and you will see the admission I got from them that there was a problem (which of course they were addressing). The only reason they did this was because of the emails I got from the chain manufacturers, CZ (see my post 21/08/09 page 6), saying they and BMW knew there was a problem in April 08! (originals emails can be provided)

I know it is time consuming but it is really worth going through all the previous posts on this subject if you want to see the extent of the problem and BMWs arrogance on this issue. Of course the dealers know - some of the better ones have been so ashamed they have replaced with quality chain at their own expense - others just avoid the question and say nothing.

The whole saga has been shameful on the part of BMW who have been prepared to lie, mislead and delay. If they do issue a recall I suggest all of us who have already spent money replacing chains write to them complaining and copy it all to Motorcycle News who did an article on BMW quality problems last year.
 

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VOSA phone call...

Hi All,

As I finally got round to sending the defect form off to VOSA I had a phone call from Martin (didn't get his 2nd name) on Wednesday to say that he had received the form, but as BMW were now "dealing with the issue, but I can't go into specifics" he would be responding to say that my case would be closed. He also said I should hear from BMW "shortly as part of normal processes".

All of which suggest to me that BMW have finally recognised the problem with the chains and are in the process of recalling affected bikes. I wait with baited breath. :rolleyes:

Paul
 
Thanks Tim, I nearly gave up a couple of times and my wife thinks I have an obsessive/compulsive disorder (she may be right), but we seem to be getting somewhere at last - who knows.

It feels strange to be angry and frustrated with BMW at one moment, then looking out at the sunshine and really looking forward to getting out on my F8 this weekend. It has to be one of the best and most fun bikes I have ever owned! (and I've just ordered an Ergo-vario screen from NN)
 
I'll second Tim's comments Lunchbox.

I think i will hold off on replacing my chain and see what occurs over the next month or so. I feel like following up my previous emails to BMW but reckon I will just sit on it for the moment, and maybe check things out at the local dealers again to see if they have received any further information.

Good work!
 
I'll third Tim's comments Lunchbox. Well done for sticking with this. It will be interesting to see how BMW approach this as in will they recall all bikes within specified manufacture dates or just deal with those where chain problems have been raised. A top effort on your part :clap

I gotta say, the problems aired on this forum have cost BMW a sale here - after extensive lurking, I'll be getting a Yamaha XTZ660/1200 or a V-strom. Shame - I had one of their cars and loved it but their bikes have just had such a bad rap on the internet it's put me right orf.....

L
 
Hello guys
My name is Bolo, I'm from Poland sorry for my english
but today BMW AG announced recall of vehicles for chains
 
Recall

Hello guys
My name is Bolo, I'm from Poland sorry for my english
but today BMW AG announced recall of vehicles for chains

Have just spoken to a BMW dealer who says they have heard that a recall is probably on the way, but it hasn't been announced in the UK yet.

This could be due to not having enough chains in stock to do all countries at the same time????

Also, it's not clear yet whether it will be for all 650 / 800 GS bikes or only for the older models (which have had the most problems).

:beerjug:
 
More confirmation of recall...

I have also received confirmation today that a recall will take place, but BMW Germany have not yet announced which bikes are affected. See email below;

From: [email protected]
To:
Sent: Fri May 07 2010
Subject: SR 1
Dear Mr
*
Thank you for your patience while I continue to investigate your enquiry.
*
I have received confirmation that a number of bikes will be recalled to have rectification work to the drive chain.* However, as BMW Germany have not finalised their investigations, I am unable to confirm whether your bike will be among the bikes on the list.
*
I will continue to monitor this situation for you and I will contact you again as soon as I receive further information from BMW Germany.
*
Yours sincerely
BMW*Motorrad UK


So there you have it. 4 emails later and there seems to be some progress. Just hope they don't take too long sorting it out.

Cheers Remushowl.

Ps. Please sponsor me at

http://www.justgiving.com/Ian-and-Jez-do-the-Britbutt-Rally-2010 :thumb
 
Hi is it me or has it gone quiet on the recall front. I checked VOSA website for F650 G800 still nothing. Anyone heard from a dealer?
Steve

Sort of. They've been informed that there will be a recall but not which bikes will be included.

Or, indeed, what they wil be replacing the chains with, but licorice futures are on the way up.
 
just been to the level 1 course of the bmw offroad school, totally awesome btw.
well speaking to the guys there, i have just been informed that BMW has officially recalled all the old 'defective' chains
have not had a chance to verify this but i think its great news:clap
 
Chain recall

Had my 6000 mile service done on my F650 GS 2 weeks ago by the local dealer, asked them to check the chain as I thought it had a tight spot, when I collected the bike was told that the chain was ok

I then asked if they had to replace any chains that had failed, which they replied only one or two but they had not been maintained very well, I refered to this web site stating the amount of chain failures and that a recall was due to be released, I was told not to believe everything I see on the web !!

Had a call from the dealers this morning, with ref to my conversation with them concerning the chain failures at my last service, BMW have now issued a recall to replace the chain and spockets, could I bring my bike in asap, booked in for Friday.

Could this be one big U turn !!!!
 
Well done!!

Just spoken with my friendly local dealer and they have confirmed that my bike has been recalled for new chain and sprocket. Unfortunately this can't be done until 14th June at the earliest, so now booked in. Hopefully it will last over the weekend when I'm away on a 1200 mile charity ride. Checked the chain again this week and it looks like new with only 2,000 miles on the clock, so fingers crossed.

I'm prepared for the responses to this post telling me that I should get it changed at my own expense in order to be safe, and whilst I totally understand this logic, I also feel strongly that BMW have a responsibility to put things right, to which they have finally admitted. Hopefully I won't regret this decision.

Anyway thanks in part for BMW's U-turn on this issue must be due to the work done through various members on this forum in drawing the issue to the attention of those that make the decisions. So well done folks :clap

Never wanting to miss the opportunity of a plug, if you want to help raise a few extra quid for the Yorkshire Air Ambulance Service then please sponsor me through the link below; I've now raised £940 and trying to break the £1k before Saturday morning. Cheers :beerjug:

www.justgiving.com/Ian-and-Jez-do-the-Britbutt-Rally-2010
 
Rin_sun has not received anything in the post about a recall, her 800GS is a April 2008 UK bike.

We phone our local our local dealer here in Germany, they took a look on their computer and immediately booked the bike in for chain and sproket replacement as a recall was listed for her chasis number.

:thumb
 
Can you tell which bikes are concerned ? I own a 2008 one but no recall yet...
Would you be able to scan & post the courier ?
Tks
:beerjug:
The recall doesn't state any interval for production date or such. It just state my registration number and says that the quality of the chain may be poor and therefore the chain and sprockets needs to be changed.

I signed up for my bike march '08 and got delivery in june '08, so I guess my bike is from the earliest production batches.
 


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