Hawker Odyssey PC535

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The OEM battery in my 1200 seems to be on the way out. I've been having problems with the accessory socket (which are not proven to be due to a weak battery but I strongly suspect they are), and last week my Optimate pronounced the battery to be "weak".

First thing in the morning, after a decent overnight charge, the bike was fine, but as the day went on and I started the engine more times I could hear the starter motor struggling more and more. Eventually it got to the point (at the PJM rally, off road riding means more starts per mile than tarmac, for me at least!) that when I started the engine, the voltage drop caused the ABS to reset and turn back on. I had to bump start a few times to stop this happening.

So I decided to fit a better battery. I could have got a replacement under warranty but odds are that that would suffer the same problem in 18 months. A bit of investigation suggested that the Hawker PC535 is suitable for the GS, but it wasn't that simple.

One supplier listed a "PC535GS" on their website as "the battery for the R1200GS". However when I tried to get one of these from a more local place (Cheshire Batteries - 01270 255493) they said it didn't exist. It transpired that the other supplier had modified the standard PC535 in some way to make it suitable for the 1200. However Cheshire Batteries were only asking £60 for a PC535, over 30 quid cheaper than the other place. So I went to their shop, and they were extremely helpful, allowing me to try out the new item in the bike before I handed over the cash.

I decided I could probably make the battery fit in the 1200, it turned out to be a bit more work than I expected :)

The main problem is that the Hawker is bigger than the standard (A Yuasa YTX-14-BS). The OEM battery measures 150 x 85 x 145 mm, while the Hawker is larger at 170 x 99 x 155 mm. However it does, just, fit into the battery compartment of the 1200.

There were several problems I noticed:

1 - Theres a hard brake line that passes along the right hand side of the battery compartment. The larger battery was putting pressure on this, and while it probably wouldn't damage it, it didn't seem like good practice.

2 - The new battery is taller, bringing the terminals uncomfortably close to the metal mounting bar at the front of the seat. Again, it would have probably been ok, but if the battery was to get dislodged it could potentially short circuit through this bar.

3 - The metal strap that secures the battery into the compartment would not fit round the larger battery.

4 - The connectors on the bike's wiring loom would not fit comfortably onto the terminals of the Hawker, which ironically are much smaller than on the OEM item.

So, bodge-man swung into action :D

Firstly, I decided to mount the battery with the terminals towards the rear of the bike. This means there's no chance of a short on the seat bar. but does mean that the electrical wires going to the battery are now in the wrong place.

The Hawker battery actually has plastic "fins" on the sides of the case, which make it wider than it needs to be. I cut out some slots in these fins to stop it fouling the brake line on the right.
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Secondly I modified the battery securing strap. This was the point at which, if this whole thing didn't work, I'd have to be buying new parts from Mr BMW :)

I heated the strap in a blowtorch and removed most of the bends from it, leaving it with a single right angle bend to coincide with the top of the battery. I didn't totally remove the "springy" bend in the long section, so it still retained a bit of spring. The modified strap was just long enough to go round the larger battery, although I had to use a small spacer on the screw that holds it in.

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The Hawker comes with right angled thingies on the terminals. The negative one had to be bent upwards slightly, so that the bolt holding the lead onto the terminal didn't foul the frame, as seen in this next picture. I also had to reroute the cables from the bike to get the negative lead to reach this far.

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This was the real point of no return. The connector on the positive lead is so large, that if mounted directly onto the terminal of the battery it would have been dangerously close to the frame. And the positive lead is so long (remember it is meant to reach over to the right side of the battery) that there was a lot of excess wire.

So I cut about an inch of cable off the end of the lead. The lead is actually four seperate wires, of varying thickness. I soldered smaller ring connectors onto these wires, one on the thickest wire and another one onto the three remaining wires. This made the cable just the right length to be routed under part of the frame to the terminal. I removed the right angled thingy from the battery positive terminal and attached both ring connectors directly. (The green wires in the photo are powering my aux lights). Finally I trimmed the rubber cover down to size and everything was good to go :)

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Initial impressions are good - the bike starts just as well as it did with a well charged OEM battery. The accessory socket and ABS haven't played up yet, although I've only done a short test ride so far. The real test will be next time I go trail riding and stall the thing 15 times in a day :D
 
Thanks for going to all the trouble to do a write up - would be good to put it in the Technical FAQs :thumb

Will defo. follow suit as soon as my battery starts to go.

Andres
 
Cracking write up Mouse. Thanks. :clap

For some reason, my battery is already the other way round. This was a German-build bike so I don't know if they work to a different spec for the EU market???

The extra length of cables is simply looped between the battery and the shock.

ps glad to see there is another lightweght around who runs with the shock setting screwed right out. :thumb
 
Yep good post that :thumb

Just a couple of questions

Why the Hawker battery, have they an enviable reputation for reliability?

Does the greater physical size give a higher amp hour rating, or more discharge/recharge cycles or both? :nenau



Shep :bounce1
 
Shep said:
Why the Hawker battery, have they an enviable reputation for reliability?

Basically yes - many 1150 owners have fitted them and reported good results. Also the Hawker comes with a 2 year warranty.

Does the greater physical size give a higher amp hour rating, or more discharge/recharge cycles or both?

The AH rating is slightly higher, 15 for the Hawker as opposed to 14 for the Yuasa (I think these figures are correct but there are different methods of measuring AH). However the Hawker has other advantages - a much higher CCA (cold cranking amps) rating which basically means it can supply more current when cold. It's a totally dry cell, so no possibility of leaks or spills, which is good for a bike that spends a fair amount of time on its side :)

Also, Hawker claim the battery is suitable for "deep cycles" which basically means you can run it almost flat and when recharged it will be fine, unlike a conventional lead/acid type which after a few "deep cycles" will be totally knackered. Good for those trail riding days when you have to start the bike half a dozen times on a tricky hill.

Mainly I went for the Hawker due to the many recommendations from other users on this site.
 
Cheers for the info Mouse, when mine finally dies I'll be buying a Hawker Odyssey. :thumb
 
Noticed that the latest Wunderlich catalogue mentioned a PC535 battery 225A - 15Ah

Shown on http://www.wunderlich.co.uk/shop/erol.html
as
Pure Lead battery R1200GS for £115
or as
Battery Set R1200GS for £150

I wonder what they do to make it fit without chopping stuff about ?
 
Clive said:
I wonder what they do to make it fit without chopping stuff about ?

I am not sure but if they have copied my method then I shall be asking for a cut of their rather large markup! I paid £60 for mine, I wonder what extras you get for £115? :D
 
Hi
FYI New batteries on ebay for £26 + £7 P&P
I am not selling them.
Jeff


Brand New Motorcycle Batteries at a fraction of shop prices

These are MF Maintenance Free Batteries

CTX14-BS

This is a direct replacement To fit the

BMW R1200GS 2005
 
Cheers Mouse, just ordered one from Motorworks for £79 plus p&p. It comes as a ready to fit kit complete with a longer battery strap. My bike is usually fine when used from home as it is optimated, but I have a few long trips coming up soon and confidence is everything so its time to swap out that old battery for peace of mind. The optimate is on for quite a while after each ride at the moment with the OEM battery so I suspect the change is overdue.
 
Right, so yesterday I got stuck with my 1200 ADV on the courtyard of my dealer with a flat battery just as I was about to leave. You really would not expect this from a brand new bike that cost £10K+, would you? I have barely done 700 miles since March. The mechanic took a quick look and just said "it's a bit of a mystery, mate, shouldn't have happened." He fired up the bike with a spare battery and told me to keep an eye on it. Naturally, I am a little worried now that it may happen again. Should I demand a new battery or should I just go for the Hawker Odyssey PC535 straight away? And since the bike is under warranty, could I insist on getting the Hawker fitted instead of the factory battery? I'd obviously pay for the difference but I might as well go for a decent battery straight away, no?
 
Thats between you and the dealer to negotiate over as the chances are they will just get a new part from BMW and claim their labour costs back under a warranty code.

The problems of standard BMW batteries losing their charge has been well documented here on this site. Do a search under batteries and see the results for yourself.

My Odyssey was simple to fit and has given me total peace of mind (for £79 from Motorworks.)

If you are buying a PC535 from them I would recommend you also buy a CTEK Multi XS3600 trickle charger for it as they cut you a deal and it saves you two lots of postage later. Better than an Optimate IMHO plus an Optimate doesn't kick out enough Amps for an AGM cell battery such as the Hawker Odyssey type.
 
ALARM WHEN RE-FITTING BATTERY

Thanks, Pukmeister; just ordered from Motorworks (plus charger). My two-year old battery seems to be slowly giving up the ghost - only not started just the once, but seems to be chugging more, and on occasions the display goes blank (and resets from trip mileage to total mileage, although this is not great problem in itself). I know that when it finally does give up it'll be at the most awkward possible time...

I have an alarm fitted to my bike - a Datatool. Is it likely to go off when I disconnect the battery? If it does, will I be able to turn it off with the remote? :nenau

Final silly question: will I need to do the "resetting the Throttle Position Sensor" thing by fully opening and closign the throttle with the ignition on before starting?

Thanks,

Robin.
 
Thanks, Pukmeister; just ordered from Motorworks (plus charger). My two-year old battery seems to be slowly giving up the ghost - only not started just the once, but seems to be chugging more, and on occasions the display goes blank (and resets from trip mileage to total mileage, although this is not great problem in itself). I know that when it finally does give up it'll be at the most awkward possible time...

Final silly question: will I need to do the "resetting the Throttle Position Sensor" thing by fully opening and closign the throttle with the ignition on before starting?

Thanks,

Robin.


Mine has started doing the self same thing at two years / 24000 miles so I think I will be joining you.

Yes you will need to reset the throttle (every time you disconnect the battery).

FWIW I've used Hawkers for many years in different bikes and have had no problem using an Optimate on them - it may not have enough oomph to charge one from full discharge but I've never had to do that so :nenau

Andres
 
I had a R100RS in the late 70's early 80's and that needed a new battery every year! ????????????
So some things never change!

Phil
 


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