Forgive me Tour Dad if this is in the wrong section. Please move it into different section as you do see fit.
The following links (#107 - #108 below) are from the (Chigee AIO-5 Lite) thread, but I do include it here (as well as my last two post on said thread (see bellow)) for continuity purposes, so that everyone knows what I am rattling on about.
The main text for this thread is starting bellow the purple text. Please do scroll down to "Continued..." marker.
For those of you whom wish to read it here, please read the purple text below.
Post number #107
"Been a long evening last night, but I got there eventually.
I did not want to cut up original loom supplied with the (CHIGEE) unit, so had to do some adapting work. By using 6” of two core cable, crimping two banjo connectors on one end and. Bolting these together with stainless steel M6x8mm bolts & and half (lock) nuts. Then slipped corresponding colour 3:1 heat shrink over each joint. The opposing ends on the 6” cable were adorned with a pair of spade crimps, head shrink over the top of that too, to make it waterproof.
KTM are excellent at providing you easy power source. ACC1 being permanent live, and ACC2 being switched live. Getting there though involves removing the headlight, which is a bit of a PITA.
The CHIGEE loom has three cables that need connecting. The red and the black go to battery terminals. As mentioned above I did not do that. Instead adapted it to fit connectors behind the headlight. The red and black went into ACC1 and a single yellow (trigger wire) went into the positive terminal of ACC2 connector.
A quick test before putting the bike back together and it is a success.
Unit powers up and ready in circa 10-15 seconds.
Phone connects to the unit in under 10 seconds. All wirelessly, by first establishing a Bluetooth connection, then using its own WiFi connection to keep it going and assuming to prevent the phone from being drained to quickly.
In my Givi tank bag, I have their own USB power hub. Which is connected via fly lead to a connector mounted just in front of the fuel tank but behind a right fork leg (see photo bellow, bottom right corner)
I do not mount the phone anywhere on the bike, as I just don’t like to have to much clutter, in the tank bag it is safe, but also meant it goes get a charge out of the elements.
Anyway, the unit is up, just need to set up the apps properly, and link intercom another way if the current setup does not work. That ride to my Local J&S shortly.
Will report back."
Post number #108
"Just back from a ride and a visit to J&S to try on the WP jacket.
CHIGEE is great, in that it is doing what it suppose to do, that being mirroring my iPhone in Apple CarPlay mode.
The iPhone (as mentioned earlier) is connected to it. The iPhone also at same time via Bluetooth and KTM my Ride*, connected to my bikes dash, as is my Neotec 2 Sena Mesh intercom. This arrangement in turn allows me to be able to answer phone calls, pause, play forward, rewind (including skipping) as well as adjust the volume of the music being played, via the left switchgear. Since CHIGEE is essentially only mirroring my iPhone, pausing or skipping music tracks, has no untoward effect on it.
All is good then? Well yes and no.
Unfortunately KTM have f***ed many owners off, by replacing the original not so great app, with the one that is even worse one (IMHO) and you have to pay for to gain all the features. Anyway, not much was lost there, as navigation was only A—> B and exceptionally basic."
Continued...
The display size (5”) is smaller compared to my Garmin XT (which for now I am keeping and in fact it is even slightly smaller than newer XT2 variant) is shorter in both width and height by approximately 10-12mm. Meaning that anybody with ageing sight, might have allot of trouble reading the text from any of the Nav apps*.
The best I found being Apple Maps, as roads can be seen clearly, second best is Google Maps, a fair old bit going on on screen. I haven’t tried Waze as I do not use it.
Now the whole reason why I have purchased this CHIGEE unit, is to see how well does MyRoute App does integrate with it. And indeed it does, is it great, well…ermm…no. Here is for why.
The road outlines are so fine, that even I struggle to see it clearly at the quick glance. And despite me wearing spectacles, I am far from being ancient of having a poor eye sight. Switching to a dark mode does help a bit. In that the route outline now has a contrasting background to fall against. Meaning road names/number and indeed where they are on the map are much easier to see. Still the size of the route one has to follow on screen is far to narrow and the outline is simply to delicate.
By way of comparison, Apple Maps, have a thick blue line to follow when navigating, road names (in some instances) do appear inside a blue balloon with white text over the top, same goes for which exit to take. 1st, 2nd etc. The roads are coloured dark grey, and even show road markings, yellow boxes etc.
Above issues aside, I found the ability to quickly pan the map about very clunky (if fairly unsafe whilst riding) unlike the competition from Apple/Google, where a simple swipe across the screen, and you are able to quickly glance at what is coming up ahead, etc. then tapping on resume button (or similar) you are back on the road that you are riding/driving
With MRA this involves on tapping the screen then having to use + / - to zoom in and out, followed by navigating the screen with a single tap(s) on one of four axis arrows. So if you wanted to see what is happening say 5 miles away, you’ll need to tap a fecking lot. Tap done when you are indeed done. Which for me was merely 30 seconds, by which time I’ve had it.
The instruction boxes that tell you what junction to come off or where to turn, which exit to take at the roundabout, are ok, but the number of the exits for the RA is absolutely minuscule. So much so, that from the riders seat, I can only barley see it as what it is exactly. In fact it looks like a faint . (dot) even looking at it up close when stationary, I am still unable to decipher what it is and whether it is indeed and in fact a number.
In other words, if you are traveling in the town/city that you are not familiar with and come across a RA with say 5-6 exits, you literally have to watch the map (instead of the road ahead) in order to know which exit to take. Yes you can listen to an annoying and awfully robotic voice guidance. Which I never use on any navigation device or app.
Yet once again, the competition from both Apple Maps and Google Maps do tell you, in a very clear and large text, which exit to take. Not with MRA though.
The time, distance to the destination is fine, but it is literally just that, there seem to be no further action available from tapping on it.
The map overlay is different to that found on the iPhone app itself. In fact the entire user interface (UI) is completely different when mirrored in Apple CarPlay. You do not have the skip waypoint function as you do on the phone app. It is in fact very basic, so much so, that it is borderline frustrating also rather boring to use. Yet, I refuse to mount my phone on the handle bars.
This was a first time that I have actually used MRA app to navigate on a motorcycle. The app on your phone is great and much clearer, but using it in conjunction with the Apple Carplay,it isn’t great at all and is a far cry. Which is a shame, as I did have high hopes for it, as I love Apple CarPlay in my wife's car and I almost exclusively use Apple Maps for my day to day journeys.
Perhaps the Dutch MRA boffins need to have more chocco sprinkles sent over, in order to make the MRA Phone App appear identically via Apple CarPlay. I must say they have done rather well so far, in the 10 years that they have been going, but fluid Apple CarPlay integration, is still a fair old way away.
Maybe the next update will bring better improvements. Perhaps I will learn a bit more about its quirks, and learn to love it. Time and god willing will tell.
I am taking this setup on a forthcoming trip to EU, and see if I can get used to it. If not. I shall go Back to my trusty Garmin XT. Which also has its own share of foibles.
The CHIGEE unit it self, seem very well made and has as good, solid feel to it and is on par with my Garmin XT.
*I’d wait for a larger, possibly 7” version to come out. The 5” variant will be ideal for mounting onto the handle bars of a say R9T or similar bike or if you have a small adventure bike such as Husky 701-901 KTM 790-890, size bike. If you have a GS?A or Large ADV bike, the larger display model would be a better option I think.
The following links (#107 - #108 below) are from the (Chigee AIO-5 Lite) thread, but I do include it here (as well as my last two post on said thread (see bellow)) for continuity purposes, so that everyone knows what I am rattling on about.
The main text for this thread is starting bellow the purple text. Please do scroll down to "Continued..." marker.
For those of you whom wish to read it here, please read the purple text below.
Post number #107
"Been a long evening last night, but I got there eventually.
I did not want to cut up original loom supplied with the (CHIGEE) unit, so had to do some adapting work. By using 6” of two core cable, crimping two banjo connectors on one end and. Bolting these together with stainless steel M6x8mm bolts & and half (lock) nuts. Then slipped corresponding colour 3:1 heat shrink over each joint. The opposing ends on the 6” cable were adorned with a pair of spade crimps, head shrink over the top of that too, to make it waterproof.
KTM are excellent at providing you easy power source. ACC1 being permanent live, and ACC2 being switched live. Getting there though involves removing the headlight, which is a bit of a PITA.
The CHIGEE loom has three cables that need connecting. The red and the black go to battery terminals. As mentioned above I did not do that. Instead adapted it to fit connectors behind the headlight. The red and black went into ACC1 and a single yellow (trigger wire) went into the positive terminal of ACC2 connector.
A quick test before putting the bike back together and it is a success.
Unit powers up and ready in circa 10-15 seconds.
Phone connects to the unit in under 10 seconds. All wirelessly, by first establishing a Bluetooth connection, then using its own WiFi connection to keep it going and assuming to prevent the phone from being drained to quickly.
In my Givi tank bag, I have their own USB power hub. Which is connected via fly lead to a connector mounted just in front of the fuel tank but behind a right fork leg (see photo bellow, bottom right corner)
I do not mount the phone anywhere on the bike, as I just don’t like to have to much clutter, in the tank bag it is safe, but also meant it goes get a charge out of the elements.
Anyway, the unit is up, just need to set up the apps properly, and link intercom another way if the current setup does not work. That ride to my Local J&S shortly.
Will report back."
Post number #108
"Just back from a ride and a visit to J&S to try on the WP jacket.
CHIGEE is great, in that it is doing what it suppose to do, that being mirroring my iPhone in Apple CarPlay mode.
The iPhone (as mentioned earlier) is connected to it. The iPhone also at same time via Bluetooth and KTM my Ride*, connected to my bikes dash, as is my Neotec 2 Sena Mesh intercom. This arrangement in turn allows me to be able to answer phone calls, pause, play forward, rewind (including skipping) as well as adjust the volume of the music being played, via the left switchgear. Since CHIGEE is essentially only mirroring my iPhone, pausing or skipping music tracks, has no untoward effect on it.
All is good then? Well yes and no.
Unfortunately KTM have f***ed many owners off, by replacing the original not so great app, with the one that is even worse one (IMHO) and you have to pay for to gain all the features. Anyway, not much was lost there, as navigation was only A—> B and exceptionally basic."
Continued...
The display size (5”) is smaller compared to my Garmin XT (which for now I am keeping and in fact it is even slightly smaller than newer XT2 variant) is shorter in both width and height by approximately 10-12mm. Meaning that anybody with ageing sight, might have allot of trouble reading the text from any of the Nav apps*.
The best I found being Apple Maps, as roads can be seen clearly, second best is Google Maps, a fair old bit going on on screen. I haven’t tried Waze as I do not use it.
Now the whole reason why I have purchased this CHIGEE unit, is to see how well does MyRoute App does integrate with it. And indeed it does, is it great, well…ermm…no. Here is for why.
The road outlines are so fine, that even I struggle to see it clearly at the quick glance. And despite me wearing spectacles, I am far from being ancient of having a poor eye sight. Switching to a dark mode does help a bit. In that the route outline now has a contrasting background to fall against. Meaning road names/number and indeed where they are on the map are much easier to see. Still the size of the route one has to follow on screen is far to narrow and the outline is simply to delicate.
By way of comparison, Apple Maps, have a thick blue line to follow when navigating, road names (in some instances) do appear inside a blue balloon with white text over the top, same goes for which exit to take. 1st, 2nd etc. The roads are coloured dark grey, and even show road markings, yellow boxes etc.
Above issues aside, I found the ability to quickly pan the map about very clunky (if fairly unsafe whilst riding) unlike the competition from Apple/Google, where a simple swipe across the screen, and you are able to quickly glance at what is coming up ahead, etc. then tapping on resume button (or similar) you are back on the road that you are riding/driving
With MRA this involves on tapping the screen then having to use + / - to zoom in and out, followed by navigating the screen with a single tap(s) on one of four axis arrows. So if you wanted to see what is happening say 5 miles away, you’ll need to tap a fecking lot. Tap done when you are indeed done. Which for me was merely 30 seconds, by which time I’ve had it.
The instruction boxes that tell you what junction to come off or where to turn, which exit to take at the roundabout, are ok, but the number of the exits for the RA is absolutely minuscule. So much so, that from the riders seat, I can only barley see it as what it is exactly. In fact it looks like a faint . (dot) even looking at it up close when stationary, I am still unable to decipher what it is and whether it is indeed and in fact a number.
In other words, if you are traveling in the town/city that you are not familiar with and come across a RA with say 5-6 exits, you literally have to watch the map (instead of the road ahead) in order to know which exit to take. Yes you can listen to an annoying and awfully robotic voice guidance. Which I never use on any navigation device or app.
Yet once again, the competition from both Apple Maps and Google Maps do tell you, in a very clear and large text, which exit to take. Not with MRA though.
The time, distance to the destination is fine, but it is literally just that, there seem to be no further action available from tapping on it.
The map overlay is different to that found on the iPhone app itself. In fact the entire user interface (UI) is completely different when mirrored in Apple CarPlay. You do not have the skip waypoint function as you do on the phone app. It is in fact very basic, so much so, that it is borderline frustrating also rather boring to use. Yet, I refuse to mount my phone on the handle bars.
This was a first time that I have actually used MRA app to navigate on a motorcycle. The app on your phone is great and much clearer, but using it in conjunction with the Apple Carplay,it isn’t great at all and is a far cry. Which is a shame, as I did have high hopes for it, as I love Apple CarPlay in my wife's car and I almost exclusively use Apple Maps for my day to day journeys.
Perhaps the Dutch MRA boffins need to have more chocco sprinkles sent over, in order to make the MRA Phone App appear identically via Apple CarPlay. I must say they have done rather well so far, in the 10 years that they have been going, but fluid Apple CarPlay integration, is still a fair old way away.
Maybe the next update will bring better improvements. Perhaps I will learn a bit more about its quirks, and learn to love it. Time and god willing will tell.
I am taking this setup on a forthcoming trip to EU, and see if I can get used to it. If not. I shall go Back to my trusty Garmin XT. Which also has its own share of foibles.
The CHIGEE unit it self, seem very well made and has as good, solid feel to it and is on par with my Garmin XT.
*I’d wait for a larger, possibly 7” version to come out. The 5” variant will be ideal for mounting onto the handle bars of a say R9T or similar bike or if you have a small adventure bike such as Husky 701-901 KTM 790-890, size bike. If you have a GS?A or Large ADV bike, the larger display model would be a better option I think.
