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Thanks for replies so far. It is tempting to just buy everything in the Touratech catalog but was hoping not to have to.

Is it suspected that everything Touratech make implies that that part needs upgrading?

I suspect there are nice to have and must have options. I am after the must have options.

I've seen the anti tampering metal cover for the front brake master cylinder, but does anyone have a recommendation of more suitable replacement ? (or am I over racting to this)
 
I'm preparing my F800GS bit by bit for a Cape to Cape run next year. Nord Kapp, Arctic Circle to the South Cape, South Africa :thumb

I've already solidly mounted my front brake master cylinder as per standard 1200's etc. and awaiting a Wunderlich protection piece to fit round it, amongst other stuff. I'm across there next month... they sponsored my girlfriend and myself for our 'Long Way Home' trip a couple of years ago, and they're looking towards helping us next year with the 'Cape to Cape'

I'll be fitting Wilbers suspension for sure, seat etc. probably stick with BMW's engine protection plate and engine protection bars... otherwise I'll just ride it :eek:

BMW will be releasing their alloy panniers for it later in the year so will have a look at them before I make my mind up.

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Thanks for replies so far. It is tempting to just buy everything in the Touratech catalog but was hoping not to have to.

Is it suspected that everything Touratech make implies that that part needs upgrading?

I suspect there are nice to have and must have options. I am after the must have options.


There are no Must Have options. The only "Must Have" in my book is available from the dealer ... the bashplate.

Everything you add, adds weight. The longer you go the less you realise you actually needed to have, to spend money on, and to lug the extra weight around, and pick the extra weight up everytime you drop it.

While it is almost universally popular, think twice even about aluminium luggage. I reckon the mountings, plus empty boxes are not far shy of 20 kgs. Before you put anything in them.

I have done a lot of miles across a lot of terrains with a lot of different types of luggage, and if there are two things I have learned, (1) you always take too much stuff and end up ditching half of it after the first month or two on the road (2) the bigger the luggage you take, the more it will encourage you to fill them up with largely useless stuff, (very unhelpfull extra weight) that you end up ditching anyway.

I am planning a big trip next year with an F800GS and am seriously looking at these bicycle panniers for a luggage option:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDeta...007505&N=Ortlieb Bike Packer Classic Panniers.

With an easily repairable 10mm wire frame, it will save 15 kgs on aluminium panniers, and they still take up to 40 litres each.

Note: the bit about ditching a third to half the stuff you brought is a near universal truth for a first time 20,000 mile ride. Every transcontinental story you hear has the same stage in it. You sit one one day after deciding everything is too heavy, empty the whole lot out on a floor somewhere and cull half of it. At that point, you will also realise you are lugging around luggage that is too big heavy and now ... also half empty

Anything less than a month, I take nothing but a yellow medium or large sized ortlieb bag strapped to the back seat. Simple, cheap, easy and lightweight.
 
+1 for the ortleib bicycle panniers - excellent bits of kit, totally waterproof and a fraction of the cost of crappy motorcycle soft luggage. Only hassle is rigging up some steel loops to clip them onto. Clips are designed to open in a hard fall (rather than break). Ive tested them up to 100mph.

Here is an idea - do a couple of weeks cycle touring to really make you think about the minimum amount of kit you need to do this.
 
I'm not disagreeing with what's being said, but hard luggage is more secure which is important if you are travelling solo.

There's a blog on Horizons Unlimited from a guy who was riding UK to Cape Town on an Enfield Bullet. He stopped outside a café in southern Spain and the entire contents of his soft luggage was stolen. Nobody saw a thing. :augie The blog stopped there, as did his trip.

I was wondering whether TT would be doing a version of their VP45 panniers for the 650/800: http://www.touratech.com/shops/001/product_info.php?cPath=12_88&products_id=1523 As well as centralising the weight they act as tank protectors!

Tim
 
i really dont know how the hard aluminium luggage thing started ... back in the early 90s the germans seemed to get into it, and somehow everyone thought well if they cost that much, it must be the thing to do. Partly because the Germans got into adventure motorcycling at least a decade before the english speaking world did, so what the germans did, the rest adopted.

I think people do the aluminium luggage now because its a de-facto standard, not because anyone seriously has put a lot of thought into "is it a better system" than soft luggage.

The Brothers Vince never allower even the hint of an expensive aluminium pannier anywhere near any of the dozen + bikes from the Terra Circa and Mondo Enduro trips round the world, and while I find their style of travel a little too rustic for my current tastes, it is worth noting that a single 20 litre steel surplus ammunition box was as close as they got to hard luggage. Not surprisingly Lois Pryce similarly used soft luggage on her largely solo rides from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego a few years back and her London - Cape Town 18 months ago. Austin would surely have disowned her if she had used hard panniers.

Hard luggage (maybe it should be called heavy luggage) is there, and people assume its there because its come about thru trial and error, and accumulated wisdom from countless round the world journeys previously made. I think thats actually not the case. Its just there because its there, and everyone adopts it without questioning if it is the best way to go.

So you want to ride around the world? Its automatic that people buy an "adventure" bike then work out how to attach aluminium panniers to it ... cause that what riding around the world is all about, right? Another good example .... (Pete Forwood http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/forwood/). I've been in touch with Pete since the planning stages for the first leg of his global project back in 1995. Since then he has been almost constantly in the road - mostly solo, but sometimes 2up with his wife Kay. He has been to over 180 countries on the same bike (Including recetly Afghanistan and North Korea). At last count there were only 2 or 3 "countries" left ... isolated islands in the middle of oceans. Pete Forwood is THE DADDY of adventure motorcycling. He doesnt ride an adventure bike. He rides a Harley. And he doesnt have large custom aluminium panniers, he has the bog standard slim factory HD side bags product. Pete is living proof of the meaninglessness of the germanic stereotype of buy a BMW or KTM and stick huge alloy panniers on it to be a "real adventure motorcyclist".

On the plus side for hard luggage, they are more secure, and more easily lockable. But again that depends on whether or not you develop a system to secure your soft luggage more effectively. I have toured on every continent (except antarctica) WITHOUT hard luggage and have not had anything nicked. touch wood.


If you really want to carry large volumes of stuff, dont mind the weight, and have to have the security of aluminium panniers, consider angled stuff as its both stronger and makes paddling in the sand easier.

Vern from this site makes custom aluminium angled panniers as does Al Jesse in the States (http://www.jesseluggage.com/safari.html) Not sure if either of them are up and running with F800 stuff but I am sure Vern would be able to cobble something together.

Getting back to your original post ... The F800GS will make it round the world just fine without any Touratech add ons. How much you want to spend depends more on how much "bling" you fancy ... think thats why in general on this forum its referred to as "bling". We all like that stuff... but none of it is necessary to ride around the world with ... especially on the F800GS which seems to me to be already a very suitable steed.
 
I have ordered a hinged gear lever for my 800 - the standard thing gets bent easily in an off in the dirt and whilst the metal is soft enough to bend back I don't know how many times you can do it.. I haven't yet received the hinged sort s I can't swear it will be any better. Plainly a few spare levers including clutch and brake will always be useful.
 
I'm not even sure that “over landing” is a proper word but anyway I’m sure you all know what I mean.

I’m evaluating the GS800 as a round the world bike. Besides for the obvious luggage options, I’m interested in opinions on what parts you would add/upgrade to the standard bike before you start.

My considerations are I need to ride it for 20K miles, 20% would be offroad, 20% on bad B roads, 30% on good B roads, and the rest A road & motorway.

For example the front brake reservoir looks incredibly vulnerable and I’m sure in the first incident it would disappear, so I am looking at a replacement front brake cylinder (something like on the 650 Dakar)

What else would you change ?


RTW is as difficult or as easy as you want to make. I knew a Swedish guy who did it on a GSXR1100 slabside in the 80s. I know many long distance travellers take everything including the kitchen sink: an overloaded bike can spoil a good road IMHO. I did a year and a half and 60k miles on an 800 paralever 20 years ago carrying only a couple of seals and a punture repair kit: twas enough. I never failed to get the rocker covers mended when I fell off and made holes in them. I don't know why so many long distance motorcyclists rely on themselves so much: part of the journey is meeting and depending on those along the way (for my travels anyway). IMHO a lot of RTWers are far too over-equipped: just IMHO again :aidan

Here is a picture of my bike, with hindsight I was overloaded. I kept my money and passport in my pocket and the Carnet and sunblock in the tankbag.

Good luck on your travels :thumb2
 

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I don't know why so many long distance motorcyclists rely on themselves so much: part of the journey is meeting and depending on those along the way (for my travels anyway). IMHO a lot of RTWers are far too over-equipped: just IMHO again :aidan
The most encouraging comment I've ever seen about getting out and doing it :thumb2
 
I've already solidly mounted my front brake master cylinder as per standard 1200's etc. and awaiting a Wunderlich protection piece to fit round it,

Allegedly, the reason MBW made the front brake master cylinder on the end of an annoying waggly thing wasn't just to irritate the rider, it was because the vibes from the twin made micro bubbles in the brake fluid.

Allegedly.

May or may not be so, that's what I'd heard. Can't think of any other reasons why it should be so when the part from the 1200 fits right in there.
 
Allegedly, the reason MBW made the front brake master cylinder on the end of an annoying waggly thing wasn't just to irritate the rider, it was because the vibes from the twin made micro bubbles in the brake fluid.

Allegedly.

May or may not be so, that's what I'd heard. Can't think of any other reasons why it should be so when the part from the 1200 fits right in there.

That's what I heard msgs1200 but for the life of me I can't see that happening! The diaphragm sits on top of the fluid in the reservoir so no air can be 'introduced' where it doesn't exist..... and anyway, it's just that, a reservoir, and it's the fluid behind the piston that matters... is this gonna get air 'shaken' in to it! Mmmmm doubt it.

I think it's a vulnerability thing misen :eek:

:beerjug:
 
That's what I heard msgs1200 but for the life of me I can't see that happening! The diaphragm sits on top of the fluid in the reservoir so no air can be 'introduced' where it doesn't exist..... and anyway, it's just that, a reservoir, and it's the fluid behind the piston that matters... is this gonna get air 'shaken' in to it! Mmmmm doubt it.

I think it's a vulnerability thing misen :eek:

:beerjug:

You're probably right in that any effect will be minimal. However, just because there is no "air gap" doesn't mean you won't get bubbles. The fluid will have an amount of dissolved gas, it would seem between 5-15%. Violent agitation (amongst other things) could cause this to come out of solution as bubbles, causing, as we know, sponginess in the brakes.

Anyway, let me know how you get on. I was looking at doing exactly what you have done to mrs msgs1200's 800, but now I think I'll wait and see:)
 
Hey Micky

Put me down as another one for the "i like the idea but keep me posted with how its working after any travels or off road work" column please mate.
 
Put me down as another one for the "i like the idea but keep me posted with how its working after any travels or off road work" column please mate.

Oh I see, your'e all letting me test the front brake master cylinder relocation modification are ya :eek:

I can assure you all that any off roading I do will not put air bubbles of any description in to the fluid in the reservoir ;)

Off to Germany again weekend after next for no other reason than I feel the need to test this mod as best I can for y'all :D

The things I do for you UKGSer Tossers :rolleyes:

:beerjug:
 


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