2020 KTM 1290 Superduke vs 2019 1250 GS-HP

Boxerlust said:
I'm going in january but he looks like he is afraid of mexican whores like you are...:D Or what was your excuse...;)
Bring Nutty too ! He can watch and learn instead of asking stupid questions...I'm ready for the 3 of you...:thumb
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Ha ha . I’ll bring Giles and then watch him annihilate you . Would be so funny
 
Hey Boxerlust....I know you is sound asleep in Cali land dreaming of 170bhp and 17 inch fucking wheels !!
Here’s a little video for you to see what makes a good road and track bike....
No mention of panniers or main stands, surprisingly....

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Obviously the GS would have been faster than all of them....:hippy
 
Giles, good looking :D:D:D

He is about as good looking as Alfie Cox (Google him).
 
Arsey , interesting video...Problem is all of these naked superbikes are useless for either Road or Track and let me explain you why...On the Track and upright bike has it's limitations.Not enough weight over the front to take advantage of all that power and no windprotection.On the road these bikes are useless because they are as impractical as superbikes without bags,centerstand or luggage rack.If you want a bike that has the same or even better track performance as these bikes featured but is also all day road comfortable and practical , get a S1000XR.
And for the track get a real superbike like the M1000RR...:thumby: That bike you can still ride on the road with a huge mid-range and not a flat-spot bigger than a 600 like the new Fireblade has...:(
AS for the GS 1250...Of course on a track with long straights even the best rider can't make up in turns for what he looses with having only 136 hp on the straights...But on todays roads which often have less than perfect pavement that are twisty the GS is strong enough to beat all these bikes with it's TORQUE that is as strong as the KTM's but with a much better suspension (TELELEVER) and handling that is much quicker than the KTM's and still more stable and not as twitchy! Anyways all the GS needs is more power :thumby: 17" wheels would be nice too but maybe not a must have anymore since Metzeler will make their excellent M9RR in GS sizes for 2021...:thumb2
B.t.w. the Bennetts - Tester contradicted himself by saying the KTM was the best bike on the track and then 3 seconds slower than either Ducati and Aprilia and saying the handling is brilliant makes him ridiculous like anything you read in the fake-press...The power of the "Ready to Race" advertisement euro$$$...:D Plus he was not even hard on it and only plotting around...I stand by my words...The KTM's handling is shit...Twitchy at low speeds and lots of effort slow steering at higher speeds.These testers either don't have a clue or should be honest...As also it obviously does not matter on a naked bike with upright seating position if you have 170 Aprilia or 200 Ducati hp as the lectronics cuts it to keep the front wheel on the ground as the pretty much same lap-times of the Duc/Aprilia show...Only for the KTM this is not true because it is 3 seconds slower...Because of the brilliant handling :thumb
I like these comedy videos...;)
You have to ride the shit yourself if the dealers let you and then decide if you want to spend your hard earned coins on the latest and greatest or not...
I hope BMW gets the M1300GS right like they did the M1000RR !!!
Then you have a bike for Road & Track in a way the old R1100S was in it's day...But much better and more comfortable and practical !
Arsey if you & your friend are really up to the challenge and some fun fly into San Diego and I meet you guys there...A taxi-ride over the border to TJ is all you need...From there 1200GS-ADV LC will wait for you and Giles will have a excuse when he gets spanked since he was not on a 1250...:D
Fun & games...All good :thumb2
Life is better in Baja...
Don't fear no whores...;)
 
Agree with you about the track.A bike with fairing and clip ons would handle better.
But why does a road bike have to have panniers and a centre stand ?
The only benefit of a centre stand is to lube a chain,yet you ride a GS with a shaft !
And why do you need panniers ?
If you’re just going out for the day for a blast in the hills, you don’t need anything, and most of the bikes will at least take a waterproof roll bag strapped to the pillion seat....which will be plenty for up to a week away if you pack correctly.
Talking of San Diego, I should indeed be flying in there in 2021 but only for 48 hours at a time.
 
Arsey a road-bike without bags or centerstand is useless ! A track-bike does not need bags or centerstand for obvious reasons ! Why bags ? Even if you go on a weekend blast you want some stuff safe & secure with you.Be it chain-lube,visor cleaner cleaner/rag,fleece,water-bottle,raingear,tire repair kit/tirepump...Why centerstand even on a shaft-driven bike ? It is so much nicer to have a centerstand ! To park the bike upright to safe room in the garage.Check oil,load the bags without your stuff falling out on the left side.Checking oil.Changing tires @ home.Checking tire pressure.Fixing a puncture on the road.Lubing/adjusting chain...A bike without a centerstand is useless !!!
B.t.w. if you are serious about Baja...I'am ! I have done it 26 times...We have a blast ! You can hire a GS in Baja...I know the guy...He might even come with us and learn a thing or two about his own country because he lived a sheltered life...But it is never too late to have a happy childhood...:D
 
Boxerlust said:
Arsey a road-bike without bags or centerstand is useless ! A track-bike does not need bags or centerstand for obvious reasons ! Why bags ? Even if you go on a weekend blast you want some stuff safe & secure with you.Be it chain-lube,visor cleaner cleaner/rag,fleece,water-bottle,raingear,tire repair kit/tirepump...Why centerstand even on a shaft-driven bike ? It is so much nicer to have a centerstand ! To park the bike upright to safe room in the garage.Check oil,load the bags without your stuff falling out on the left side.Checking oil.Changing tires @ home.Checking tire pressure.Fixing a puncture on the road.Lubing/adjusting chain...A bike without a centerstand is useless !!!
B.t.w. if you are serious about Baja...I'am ! I have done it 26 times...We have a blast ! You can hire a GS in Baja...I know the guy...He might even come with us and learn a thing or two about his own country because he lived a sheltered life...But it is never too late to have a happy childhood...:D
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How long do you go away for on the GS? Months at a time, so you need to do oil changes? And you’ve mentioned chain lube. The GS is shaft driven.
 
Nutty...2-4 weeks at a time.You need bags to take stuff with you dry & secure ! And if it's only sneakers and a fleece or toiletry bag or if you want to make a beer run...I run synthetic Motul 7100 so I don't worry if I do 8000 miles on a trip and go 2000 over the recommended oil-change interval...No need to bring oil as the LC-boxers have virtually ZERO thirst for oil while the old oil/air cooled ones used up to a quart every 1000 miles depending on how hard you rode.
Tannemann...I only know about one Baja...Baja California / Mexico !
Which GSA bores you ? The air or water cooled 1200 ? Get a 1250...I guaranty it won' bore you...Fun bike with huge Torque...All it needs is more top-end hp which it can't take because above 130mph it gets frisky with bags/topcase...;)
 
Boxerlust said:
Nutty...2-4 weeks at a time.You need bags to take stuff with you dry & secure ! And if it's only sneakers and a fleece or toiletry bag or if you want to make a beer run...I run synthetic Motul 7100 so I don't worry if I do 8000 miles on a trip and go 2000 over the recommended oil-change interval...No need to bring oil as the LC-boxers have virtually ZERO thirst for oil while the old oil/air cooled ones used up to a quart every 1000 miles depending on how hard you rode.
Tannemann...I only know about one Baja...Baja California / Mexico !
Which GSA bores you ? The air or water cooled 1200 ? Get a 1250...I guaranty it won' bore you...Fun bike with huge Torque...All it needs is more top-end hp which it can't take because above 130mph it gets frisky with bags/topcase...;)
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For 2-4 weeks, you still don’t need hard luggage; or a centre stand on a GS. But yes you’re right about oil consumption, none of the 5 LC GS’s I owned used a drop of oil. I probably wasn’t riding them hard enough though. :augie
 
Boxerlust said:
the KTM feels almost superbike powerful ! The GS needs 30-40 hp more to be the perfect motorcycle engine for the street without losing the low-rpm tract-ability ! But anyways the KTM is only a one trick pony...In 3rd and 4th gear hitting 7000 rpm it will wheely.It has too much power for it's own good and can't put the power down in fast forward progress like an over-sized dirt-bike for the steet.This can be either exciting or scary depending how who look at it but definitely not fast on road or track. Power is nothing without control.Be it either too short wheelbase or too much torque a S1000R is just as fast but much easier to ride and thus faster on track or back roads.Even the GS that is 40 kilos heavier and 40 hp short on power is much easier to ride and faster than a 1290 Superduke on twisty backroadsQUOTE]

yet to ride a 1250GS (21k for something designed to make it to 22 months look tatty and probably die is an expensive idea I've yet to try) and alongside vastly better build quality the old air-cooled bikes have a much better power curve than any 1200LC or KTM 1290 does. And I expect just like the 1200LC and the 1290 its sitting there continually debating life with an electronic nanny arguing about who's allowed to twist the throttle?

The difference is the KTM needs the nanny and 1200LC doesn't. After all the 1200LC only makes a tiny bit of power after 9k, below that you may as well walk. So I sold the 1200LC and kept the 1200 air-cooled GS. But I'd wanted a toy with more go for playing, which is why I got a 1290 KTM... but its just so awful everywhere I hate it. Whilst I share a few of the things you point out... I don't see it the same way

mine makes monumental power everywhere, so surprised at your point about only after 4k. Mine pulls hard from 1500 (yes it complains that low but even there its almost making more go there than a 1200 air-cooled GS does at 7700) and past 2500 is perfectly happy to try and rip your arms off, and it just gets more and more silly all the way to 11k rpm. The most interesting thing is the chain never slaps about and complains under low rev abuse at any revs - that's pretty clever. Unfortunately I took it out the other day and it just reminded me what an unpleasant animal it is, fighting every step of the way. Not helped as its so highly tuned I expect to see the pistons and walk home every ride....

It had made crazy go everywhere and once had electronics that managed the lunacy quite well, then went in for a safety recall - where they detuned the bloody thing and upset the nanny till she's not sure what to do. It used to hold the front in the air way past 110mph in a perfect 10" power wheelie from rest. You just looked where you wanted and held it on the stop.... now it bucks, weaves, wobbles and complains in random fits of incompetence and is thoroughly dangerous and unpleasant. And its not helped because the throttle mapping is still just the same (with it set back to front). It makes it very tiring with 80% of available go inside the first 25% of throttle movement and very little afterwards (as I said all back to front). It mostly antagonises the nanny and she just has a melt down because with the update the computer forgot how to manage it for me (when it used to do a fairly good job at times). They had it back to play recently (at my expense !!!) and the go is mostly back but the nanny is just confused in different ways. If they mapped the throttle like a grown up, I'd be able to manage it correctly myself but an engineer with a no brain clearly thinks he more clever (he's not, just a retard).

Then its brakes still don't work (yep those same Brembo's), the seat's comfort and bar position is just awful. The electronic suspension is a poorly judged disaster, (that unlike a BM that winds up the damping as you go faster till it jumps off the road), my KTM winds it the other way, which gets very interesting when you try to stop. And unlike a BM where you can set the cruise at 5mph in first, some idiot at KTM felt the need to make me wait till I'm in forth and above 35mph.... really handy for those 20 mph zones!!! ... even the handle bar grips have been designed for someone with half size hands... I guess BMW and KTM must be affiliated with Apple and its all full of randomware? Maybe its cheaper to put all the noughts and ones in an ecu bucket and let them settle on their own. No doubt the code will be about as good as that written by the monkey's?

The best thing to do is pretend you don't have it, hope someone steals it, then buy a honda. until then a well ridden old GS leaves the KTM tying itself in knots and heading for a ditch a fair few miles behind you...
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Botus you are obviously a man of experience and honesty to tell it like it is...:thumb2
But you for that I rode the 1290SDR and not the 1290SADV...Same displacement but different hardware and tuning.
The SDR makes roughly 30 hp more on the same dyno than the SADV.Your engine tune is much friendlier and yes the SDR needs 7000 rpm to go...below that it feels very tame...much tamer than a 1250GS.
At 10000 rpm the party ends...very abruptly.A friend of mine has a 1290 R. He does not even ride it anymore as sometimes it will accelerate on closed throtle...:eek: Nobody knows why or can fix it...I agree on the 1200-LC...Very gutless and boring my EU-4.But I would not stupe down to a boring Honda or go back to a more fun than both arcooled 1200...The 1250 is awesome.Has some real steam not only for a boxer and the old torquey charm...All that is missing is a ballistic top that can be so much fun and exciting on bikes like a S1000RR...or even XR but less so :thumby:
 
BDG said:
The original engine was a 654cc and no more powerful than my early 2009 690 enduro, but far nicer due to the carb vs the early EFI which wasn't great. The RFR was lovely and mellow. I've now got the 732 engine which is a bit of a beast with so much torque but it certainly doesn't feel as refined as the latest 690/701 which are as smooth as silk. The biggest difference with the RFR is the suspension and handling, plus it carries 32 litres of fuel really well and is designed to be worked on quickly and easily. It's a work of art. Stripping the Rally Raid kit fairing and tanks off kitted up standard 690's was a nightmare in comparison. Then again the RFR was designed for a purpose (to race Dakar) and the modifications Lyndon does makes it even better, particularly as an adventure travel bike.
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I knew it was somewhere, found your blog, that is where I know the bike from. The crash in the mud on the Altai mountains :D
 
REdRick...It is a 1290 SADV-R with the 21" front wheel...Does not have track pack but the F.I. a mind of it's own...
Tannemann you still havn't told us what year GSA you have that bores you that much...B.t.w. I had once a 640 LC-4 that thing vibrated so bad that it lost all bolts that I forgot to Loctite before my trip.Ready to self destruct...Never a thumper again !
 
Boxerlust said:
REdRick...It is a 1290 SADV-R with the 21" front wheel...Does not have track pack but the F.I. a mind of it's own...
Tannemann you still havn't told us what year GSA you have that bores you that much...B.t.w. I had once a 640 LC-4 that thing vibrated so bad that it lost all bolts that I forgot to Loctite before my trip.Ready to self destruct...Never a thumper again !
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Bizarre.
When I had a 1290 ADV R, the fuelling was very good.
 
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