2024 Himalayan 450

[EVskiy]

I'm going to give this stuff a go... when I get the bike. See if its any less messy.
Dry lube

Well it isn’t a dry spay. I only ever libricate the inside of the chain. That way it does stay there and once warmed up it’ll make its way to every nook and cranny. I’ve seen people trying to cover the entire thing from every possible angle . Why?

There is no friction being generated on the outside of the links, unlike a bicycle with with a tensioning derailleur on the rear gear set. So why cover it, for it just to flick off all over the rear of the bike, swinging arm, wheel, boots and trousers.

As I said I’ve used the Sdoc100 lube from the day I got the bike. On rare occasion a wd40 chain lube. The bike has done 20600 miles. So I must be doing something right before anybody says that I am an idiot and do not know what I am on about.

 

[autogs]

Dry chain lube on the side plates stops them getting orange with rust, maybe im the only one that does it...

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[EVskiy]

Dry chain lube on the side plates stops them getting orange with rust, maybe im the only one that does it...

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Mine are still all shiny. You must have a cheappo chain then, if they go orange, or perhaps not enough through maintenance?

 

[autogs]

Er no not a cheapo chain, but I do use my bike 6 days a week summer and winter.I bow to your superior knowledge.

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[JohnnyBoxer]

He is talking bollocks

Why?
The internal rollers & pins are factory sealed with grease and O rings
Anything you put on the outside can’t get in and lube the chain
So, you’re only keeping the rust away from the side plates and therefore you might as well use GT85
I have done 10k on my oem Yamaha chain and never used any chain lube yet - just GT85
Only adjusted the chain once and it’s still fine
All my trail/enduro bikes just get GT85 too and they operate in a ‘dirty’ environment
I think Ryan at F9 has a point, that chain lube is an expensive waste of money

 

[EVskiy]

Er no not a cheapo chain, but I do use my bike 6 days a week summer and winter.I bow to your superior knowledge.

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No need to bow to me, as I am not a chain maintenance guru or in fact any kind of guru. Just making a comment from a personal experience.

 

[EVskiy]

Why?
The internal rollers & pins are factory sealed with grease and O rings
Anything you put on the outside can’t get in and lube the chain
So, you’re only keeping the rust away from the side plates and therefore you might as well use GT85
I have done 10k on my oem Yamaha chain and never used any chain lube yet - just GT85
Only adjusted the chain once and it’s still fine
All my trail/enduro bikes just get GT85 too and they operate in a ‘dirty’ environment
I think Ryan at F9 has a point, that chain lube is an expensive waste of money

We just get conditioned to buy the stuff by boffins who’re are just great at marketing the stuff.
Wish I was that good at marketing my business.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

We just get conditioned to buy the stuff by boffins who’re are just great at marketing the stuff.
Wish I was that good at marketing my business.

This time next year, Rodney……

 

[EVskiy]

This time next year, Rodney……

…I’ll be sat on my arse in the street sucking on my thumb?

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Why?
The internal rollers & pins are factory sealed with grease and O rings
Anything you put on the outside can’t get in and lube the chain
So, you’re only keeping the rust away from the side plates and therefore you might as well use GT85
I have done 10k on my oem Yamaha chain and never used any chain lube yet - just GT85
Only adjusted the chain once and it’s still fine
All my trail/enduro bikes just get GT85 too and they operate in a ‘dirty’ environment
I think Ryan at F9 has a point, that chain lube is an expensive waste of money

What about the sprocket ??

It isnt just the chain you know

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

What about the sprocket ??

It isnt just the chain you know

If the sprockets last the lifecycle of the chain(they usually do), then who cares - they’re consumables and disposable
I used to be a religious chain spray luber (even a Scot oiler on one bike, years ago)
Now a squirt of GT85 after a wash and that’s it
Bollox to chain lube and all the sticky shite that goes with that territory

 

[timeandtide]

The only other reservations are the hard seat (or my bony arse?) and an over complex rider display.

Definitely the latter Peter!

 

[Paul S]

If the sprockets last the lifecycle of the chain(they usually do), then who cares - they’re consumables and disposable
I used to be a religious chain spray luber (even a Scot oiler on one bike, years ago)
Now a squirt of GT85 after a wash and that’s it
Bollox to chain lube and all the sticky shite that goes with that territory

Just fit a cheap Cobbra copy automatic oiler - quarter of a turn once in a while as you are going along and jobs a good un

PS - I know I am comparing apples with pears but why on earth is the RE 450 well over 30KG's heavier than my 701

 

[Arsey]

Just fit one cheap Cobbra copy automatic oiler - quarter of a turn once in a while as you are going along and jobs a good un

PS - I know I am comparing apples with pears but why on earth is the RE 450 well over 30KG's heavier than my 701

Because much of the body work is metal rather than plastic

 

[Paul S]

Because much of the body work is metal rather than plastic

..........but over 30KG heavier for a much "smaller" bike takes some doing - do they fill the frame tubes with lead

 

[ChasF]

PS - I know I am comparing apples with pears but why on earth is the RE 450 well over 30KG's heavier than my 701

Because the 690/701 costs a lot more.

 

[cookie]

Because the 690/701 costs a lot more.

This ^^^

 

[TIJ650]

Why?
The internal rollers & pins are factory sealed with grease and O rings
Anything you put on the outside can’t get in and lube the chain
So, you’re only keeping the rust away from the side plates and therefore you might as well use GT85
I have done 10k on my oem Yamaha chain and never used any chain lube yet - just GT85
Only adjusted the chain once and it’s still fine
All my trail/enduro bikes just get GT85 too and they operate in a ‘dirty’ environment
I think Ryan at F9 has a point, that chain lube is an expensive waste of money

Been a while since I fucked with chains, but I always thought the grit and sand attracted by chain lube far out weighed the benefits. GT85 was also my weapon of choice. In fact, I use it for almost everything cause doesn’t leave oily residue. My maintenance for chains was a simple one. Buy a couple spare links, split the motherfucker and throw in kerosene parts washer from Machine Mart. Blow dry with air gun and hey presto!!

 

[Paul S]

Because the 690/701 costs a lot more.

Indeed you always have to pay more to get less weight - but comparing apples with apples the KTM 390 for example https://www.ktm.com/en-gb/models/travel/2024-ktm-390-adventuresw.html still weighs over 20KG less than the RE 450

Guess at the end of the day it's down to how they ride in the real world that counts

 

[Arsey]

..........but over 30KG heavier for a much "smaller" bike takes some doing - do they fill the frame tubes with lead

But it’s not smaller . For instance the wheelbase is longer .
The mudguards are metal as is the tank, headlight unit , rear rack , front crash bar racks etc .

The 701 is pretty much all plastic apart from the motor, frame, bar and wheels .

The weight disappears as soon as you ride off . Pretty academic anyway as they are built for different market segments, plus the 701 costs nearly twice as much and you’d need to spend another £1.5k on it to undertake long trips like you can on the 450