Yes but you're clearly a riding god.....
Well, there is that of course. Good point and well made
Well, there is that of course. Good point and well made
BlueBird
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I would
I have an 05 with 115k up it, I had a failed servo abs at about 80k ish,managed to cobble a fix with the help of Patz and a spare abs pump.
If/when it goes again ill take the abs off, if it was a a reasonable repair cost Id fix it but Bmw are ripping the guts out of it.
Look at it this way, you maybe steaming into a corner and yr servo has just stopped working and your on residual braking and you dont know until you've pulled on the lever and fcuk all happens or you may get lucky and look down to see the triangle of death just in time.
Also theres the starting on a hill and riding off and your on residual braking coz you had yr front lever on when you turned it on and started it.
Servo brakes are the bollocks when there working right but they can fail at the worst possible moment, removing the servo abs pump removes this issue, I wouldnt not buy it because its been removed id just consider it a non abs GS.
I have an 05 with 115k up it, I had a failed servo abs at about 80k ish,managed to cobble a fix with the help of Patz and a spare abs pump.
If/when it goes again ill take the abs off, if it was a a reasonable repair cost Id fix it but Bmw are ripping the guts out of it.
Look at it this way, you maybe steaming into a corner and yr servo has just stopped working and your on residual braking and you dont know until you've pulled on the lever and fcuk all happens or you may get lucky and look down to see the triangle of death just in time.
Also theres the starting on a hill and riding off and your on residual braking coz you had yr front lever on when you turned it on and started it.
Servo brakes are the bollocks when there working right but they can fail at the worst possible moment, removing the servo abs pump removes this issue, I wouldnt not buy it because its been removed id just consider it a non abs GS.
Still not worth the same as an abs model thats working.
Also if prevous owners have not been able to afford repairs what other corners have been cut.
Like i said only purchase with eyes open and good discount me thinks !
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Also if prevous owners have not been able to afford repairs what other corners have been cut.
Like i said only purchase with eyes open and good discount me thinks !
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BlueBird
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Thats Bollocks.
I could afford a new abs pump and then some, but why spunk nearly 2k on a pump when its a 4-5k bike,
Bmw will only warranty a new pump if THEY fit it,if anyone else does no warranty,
there are now people who can do warranted repairs to the servo pumps for about £500 I believe so that could be an option.
If you were minded to you could remove the abs and sell it as a non abs bike,you wouldnt be able to tell just by looking at it that it was fitted originally if done using factory bits, of course a quick check with BMW will reveal the build spec.
Scaremongering.
And I bet there is no difference in insurance costs between factory built abs and non abs,
However insurance company will run a mile if you tell them that its been removed, coz the computor sez no.
Your missing the point all i was saying that
A. Its not worth the same as an equivalent fully working bike.
B.Theres a chance if owners have been cutting corners what else has been cut ?
C.There are lot of bikes so no shortage so unless its a bargain walk away
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A. Its not worth the same as an equivalent fully working bike.
B.Theres a chance if owners have been cutting corners what else has been cut ?
C.There are lot of bikes so no shortage so unless its a bargain walk away
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I did the ABS removal on my old 04 1200GS. No warranty so was looking at £1.5k for BM repair on a bike that was only worth £4k. I wasn't a fan of the servo brakes anyhow so had a chat with Motorworks. They do an ABS removal kit using mostly BM parts for about £50. Tank off job to fit but very easy. I removed the servo unit but left the PCB as it runs the speedo. I removed the clocks, took the cover off and taped over the flashing ABS status light. When I next had the bike serviced at BM they were not happy and spouted off a safety warning about the ABS removal. They quietened down when I mentioned that the initial servo fail nearly had me through a hedge. 
Put another 20k miles on that bike before selling it on, still regret selling it. Planning to get a twin cam GSA at some point soon.
Put another 20k miles on that bike before selling it on, still regret selling it. Planning to get a twin cam GSA at some point soon.
Delboy777
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Bendy toy
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Good brakes make a huge difference. My Divvie 900 could stop hard but there was no finesse. I had the chance ti fit some R6 Blue Spots (straight swap on those Yamahas). They really were a revelation - I could now feather the brake pressure with no loss of "OMG need to stop" performance. Two weeks later a silly (teenage) girl ran under my front wheel giving me no chance. My front tyre left a skid mark she bounced off the fairing and I managed to stay aboard. With the standard brakes we'd have all been sliding down the road and she'd have had a not more than hurt pride.
With ABS I'd have probably stopped saving myself the cost of a new fairing under frame. Removal is an option for when my GS ABS fails, but I'll more likely be finding a way to repair it.
With ABS I'd have probably stopped saving myself the cost of a new fairing under frame. Removal is an option for when my GS ABS fails, but I'll more likely be finding a way to repair it.
These guys will repair ABS and all sorts of other stuff at reasonable cost (so I'm lead to believe)
http://www.bba-reman.com/uk/index.aspx
It's rarely the ABS part that fails... It's the brake servo. Which BMW themselves stopped using in 2007 because it was so unreliable and potentially dangerous.
When I was younger I never wanted ABS. Then over the years, all the minor "offs" I had were mostly braking in damp conditions - then in 2013 I came off 5 times, mostly again in the damp. I made it a mission in 2014 not to come off! Then in 2015 I started to realise that despite doing in excess of 150k miles in all conditions, I was now at an age where I was sometimes nervous in certain conditions. I decided it was time to get ABS for my own safety, and have to say, having owned my 2006 1200 for nearly a year now, I love it.
Personally, I agree that there are too many bikes out there to buy one modified - unless its reflected in the price.
Personally, I agree that there are too many bikes out there to buy one modified - unless its reflected in the price.
It's rarely the ABS part that fails... It's the brake servo. Which BMW themselves stopped using in 2007 because it was so unreliable and potentially dangerous.
I'll be straight round of mine fails!
Streetbike
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That's precisely why I stumped up £1700 quid to replace my broken servo last year. It's a '55 plated bike with 38K on the clock. ie It's only worth three and fourpence but
a) It's paid for
b) I like it
c) I don't want a toilet
d) It was worth the financial aggro
and it's still only worth three and fourpence but I could sell it more easily if I wanted to but it's a keeper.
Oldjedimaster
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Just purchased an "07" with 25k on the clock, Hadn't seen a BMW workshop in 5 years/10k.
Seller had it MOT'd, all good. However... I went and had a full service at my main dealer and
was told that the brakes were fine but the ABS failed their diagnostic-elecktrickery-test. (What does that actually mean? It works, but they say "Not for much longer")
Confused noob?!
Seller had it MOT'd, all good. However... I went and had a full service at my main dealer and
was told that the brakes were fine but the ABS failed their diagnostic-elecktrickery-test. (What does that actually mean? It works, but they say "Not for much longer")
Confused noob?!
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This is going to come over as sarcasm, which is not my intention, but why not ask the dealer? Say you don't understand, and ask if they can explain more fully.
Bendy toy
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The ABS motor is well known for suffering worn out motor brushes. They are not hard to replace. Instruction are on you tube.
I've heard the whole ABS unit is the same as used on many cars so it's likely a cheaper alternative could work just as well as the OEM unit.
Has anyone got any info for that option?
I've heard the whole ABS unit is the same as used on many cars so it's likely a cheaper alternative could work just as well as the OEM unit.
Has anyone got any info for that option?
Delboy777
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I thought i read somewhere on here that it was the same as a Ford Fiesta one.
Reggie P
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What about alll the buyers you'll miss when you come to sell it ?
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