Advanced biker YouTube whoopsie

Dunno would be an interesting research project :) but if one puts safety at the top, then a measure of the number of accidents riders have been involved in might be a good measure of ability.

Some of them only have one accident ....... Dead doesn't mean safe in my eye's!

(14 pages and I haven't even seen the video ... seems to be missing from Youtube)
 
I really don't get it :nenau

Even if i had an interest in doing any of it, i think these posts alone, (there are plenty of others on this thread) would see me shaking my head and saying to myself, naah, leave it.

Just another club(s) where certain members need to feel they are superior to others, IMO, of course.

Don't get me wrong, i think the availability of training is a really good thing but, as usual with these kind of things it's fecked up and taken too damn far by a certain kind of people and turned
into a pissing contest where there is a perception that one person's badge has higher status than another person's badge FFS :blast

Carry on pissing :aidan

I only did my advanced training as I needed a pass in order to be able to ride Blood Bikes. I ended up doing IAM simply because it popped up first on my web search. I don't do the social stuff, and I'm not a dayglo derek. The only hiviz I wear is my Blood one. Thankfully, none of the observers I rode with wore any hi Viz either!

Extra training can never be a bad thing, but it doesn't make you bullet proof, and we all make mistakes. I nearly shat myself 40 minutes ago when I grounded my right boot on a sharp right hander, ( that'll teach me to be a bit less pigeon toed!)!

Had I not wanted to ride for the Blood bike charity I probably wouldn't have bothered with advanced training for the sake of it, and I don't want to be one of 'those' types, white flip fronts, badges and hi Viz...
 
I took up additional instruction a (long) while after having three off's. None were my fault and I was paid out accordingly. But, had I taken a different course of action or had a different road position when the hazards presented themselves two could have been avoided.

I'm glad I took the decision to take additional instruction as it has made me think more about my riding.

Is my riding massively different - no, but it is more fluent with better forward vision.
 
Lots of different views about the advanced riding institutions here.

My opinion- well I actually joined the IAM/Rospa a couple of years ago- main reason- to become an observer and help those that might need a bit of help.

On my first ride with my observer it didnt start too well.

A bit about me- been riding from when I was 14- I`m 55 now- done motocross/enduro/trials for some years. Been a track day addict for over 30 years. Rode mostly everything on the road and had some professional advanced training some years back. I`m quite experienced and a better road rider than track rider.

My observer- not a born again biker but a new biker- still in his 50s- just passed his bike test a year before- on an ER6 ( not that theres anything wrong with an ER6 ). Terrible rider with basically no idea.

Why the hell he was given to me I dont know, and this could have ended my relationship with the iAM then and there. Still, I got rid of him quickly and Im now a national Observer and have the Masters distinction ( not that its particularly difficult ).

I quite enjoy helping the odd guy or girl. The only problem is, they all seem to be of a certain age and covered in Hi-Vis. I would love it if they were all young, aggressive sports bike riders- I think they would get much more out of it, and I`d probably enjoy it even more.

I dont involve myself in the club politics etc and hardly ever join them on social rides- just like the teaching/learning process.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING??? How the hell can a rider of ONE YEARs STANDING be qualified to coach riders who have been riding all their life, fairly successfully? He is obviously one of those types able to learn how to pass a test. He cannot have the depth of experience required that I would look for.

I have done some advanced riding training, probably only scratched the surface, but I would look to be trained by someone I could look up to, in riding skill terms.

It reminds me of when the Stalking Certificate scheme (Deer Management Qualifications Ltd) came in. For 40 odd years the British Deer Society had done free training for members, in a bid to educate stalkers all about deer and when required humane shooting of them. DMQ hijacked their course and started to sell it, instead of providing the training as part of membership, DMQ cosied up to the ACPO and got them to make it a requirement fo rgettinng a Firearms Certificate - que, ready made customers and a gauranteed income stream, or 'a nice little earner'.
Now, I got to DMQ level 3, advanced level is 2. As a professional stalker at the time I would have been disappointed had I not - but a fully employed stalker on one of the biggest estates in the land and, at the time, the only full time stalker in England and Wales (as in he did nothng but deer - others all did some kind of keepering duties in addition to their deer duties).

Where the hell am I going with this and what the hell has it got to do with riding motorbikes and advanced training? Bear with me, it is pertinent. this full time stalker had been a professional hunter/stalker all his life. He was a professional hunter in Northern Territories, the over 30 years as the full time stalker on the estate of over 70,000 acres and the deer park that sent blood stock all over th eworld (so a deer herd of some note). Now, Lordy decided said stalker ought to 'get his bit of paper' and just go along with it to tick the box.

He turned up for his first day of 'assessment' and who should be his assessor? A local school teacher who this stalker had taught over the previous 2 years. he came having never fired a rifle before - now, 2 years later he was to assess the lifelong stalker who taught him virtually everything he knew......now maybe you can see the parallel. being able to gain a badge does NOT gain you KUDOS - only time served experience can do that.

I am utterly incredulous that the IAM could possibly appoint someone with only a year or two riding experience as an assessor. I would have demanded my money back.
 
I have a very simplistic system I work to, which may or may not mirror what is 'taught'.

I put myself where I can see pretty well down the road, but with a weather eye open for road surface, so I might lose a bit of view in order to avoid wet, shiney, top dressed missing section of tarmac. Then, having got a reasonable view, I put myself as far away from possible impending doom as I can. Approaching danger - get as far away fromit as you can while staying safely on your side...I mean in normal progress now, not sudden avoidance tactics for a situation.
 
Some of them only have one accident ....... Dead doesn't mean safe in my eye's!

(14 pages and I haven't even seen the video ... seems to be missing from Youtube)

Oh yeah, it's gorn. Looks like the thing hasn't gone as expected, whoops :)
 
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING??? How the hell can a rider of ONE YEARs STANDING be qualified to coach riders who have been riding all their life, fairly successfully? He is obviously one of those types able to learn how to pass a test. He cannot have the depth of experience required that I would look for.

I have done some advanced riding training, probably only scratched the surface, but I would look to be trained by someone I could look up to, in riding skill terms.

It reminds me of when the Stalking Certificate scheme (Deer Management Qualifications Ltd) came in. For 40 odd years the British Deer Society had done free training for members, in a bid to educate stalkers all about deer and when required humane shooting of them. DMQ hijacked their course and started to sell it, instead of providing the training as part of membership, DMQ cosied up to the ACPO and got them to make it a requirement fo rgettinng a Firearms Certificate - que, ready made customers and a gauranteed income stream, or 'a nice little earner'.
Now, I got to DMQ level 3, advanced level is 2. As a professional stalker at the time I would have been disappointed had I not - but a fully employed stalker on one of the biggest estates in the land and, at the time, the only full time stalker in England and Wales (as in he did nothng but deer - others all did some kind of keepering duties in addition to their deer duties).

Where the hell am I going with this and what the hell has it got to do with riding motorbikes and advanced training? Bear with me, it is pertinent. this full time stalker had been a professional hunter/stalker all his life. He was a professional hunter in Northern Territories, the over 30 years as the full time stalker on the estate of over 70,000 acres and the deer park that sent blood stock all over th eworld (so a deer herd of some note). Now, Lordy decided said stalker ought to 'get his bit of paper' and just go along with it to tick the box.

He turned up for his first day of 'assessment' and who should be his assessor? A local school teacher who this stalker had taught over the previous 2 years. he came having never fired a rifle before - now, 2 years later he was to assess the lifelong stalker who taught him virtually everything he knew......now maybe you can see the parallel. being able to gain a badge does NOT gain you KUDOS - only time served experience can do that.

I am utterly incredulous that the IAM could possibly appoint someone with only a year or two riding experience as an assessor. I would have demanded my money back.

I really don't know about this stalker lark but I will say I was not particularly happy about my observer. Still, it all worked out in the end.
 
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING??? How the hell can a rider of ONE YEARs STANDING be qualified to coach riders who have been riding all their life, fairly successfully? He is obviously one of those types able to learn how to pass a test. He cannot have the depth of experience required that I would look for.

I have done some advanced riding training, probably only scratched the surface, but I would look to be trained by someone I could look up to, in riding skill terms.

It reminds me of when the Stalking Certificate scheme (Deer Management Qualifications Ltd) came in. For 40 odd years the British Deer Society had done free training for members, in a bid to educate stalkers all about deer and when required humane shooting of them. DMQ hijacked their course and started to sell it, instead of providing the training as part of membership, DMQ cosied up to the ACPO and got them to make it a requirement fo rgettinng a Firearms Certificate - que, ready made customers and a gauranteed income stream, or 'a nice little earner'.
Now, I got to DMQ level 3, advanced level is 2. As a professional stalker at the time I would have been disappointed had I not - but a fully employed stalker on one of the biggest estates in the land and, at the time, the only full time stalker in England and Wales (as in he did nothng but deer - others all did some kind of keepering duties in addition to their deer duties).

Where the hell am I going with this and what the hell has it got to do with riding motorbikes and advanced training? Bear with me, it is pertinent. this full time stalker had been a professional hunter/stalker all his life. He was a professional hunter in Northern Territories, the over 30 years as the full time stalker on the estate of over 70,000 acres and the deer park that sent blood stock all over th eworld (so a deer herd of some note). Now, Lordy decided said stalker ought to 'get his bit of paper' and just go along with it to tick the box.

He turned up for his first day of 'assessment' and who should be his assessor? A local school teacher who this stalker had taught over the previous 2 years. he came having never fired a rifle before - now, 2 years later he was to assess the lifelong stalker who taught him virtually everything he knew......now maybe you can see the parallel. being able to gain a badge does NOT gain you KUDOS - only time served experience can do that.

I am utterly incredulous that the IAM could possibly appoint someone with only a year or two riding experience as an assessor. I would have demanded my money back.

He's got the badge, you haven't.

So you listen to him until you get the badge.

Thats how it works.

The fact you are Valentino Rossi makes no difference.

Suck it up and Welcome to the club, backed up by moral standing and UK Law. They'll have you cornered.
 
Well well the video has gone..........that says it all. :censor:

OP best to close this IAM V ROSPA thread.
 
So in summary.

Elite rider makes a judgement mistake through lack of concentration, rolls the dice and gets lucky. Then blames it on his BMW hardware and posts up a public video for us to learn something.

Verbal brawl commenses following statements of alternative truths and alternative facts usually from the BMW badged elite.

Original poster drops video like a hot brick as reaction on here is like throwing a slab of meat into a starving shark pool.

Nobody notices slab of meat has gone long ago as now too busy eating each other.

Original poster is now back out on road wondering WTF just happened. More traumatized by this thread than the actual event.
 
So in summary.

"Elite" rider makes a judgement mistake through lack of concentration, rolls the dice and gets lucky. Then blames it on his BMW hardware and posts up a public video for us to learn something.

Verbal brawl commenses following statements of alternative truths and alternative facts usually from the BMW badged elite.

Original poster drops video like a hot brick as reaction on here is like throwing a slab of meat into a starving shark pool.

Nobody notices slab of meat has gone long ago as now too busy eating each other.

Original poster is now back out on road wondering WTF just happened. More traumatized by this thread than the actual event.

That about sums it up.;)

Fixed it, a bit for you though.:D
 
So in summary.

Elite rider makes a judgement mistake through lack of concentration, rolls the dice and gets lucky. Then blames it on his BMW hardware and posts up a public video for us to learn something.

Verbal brawl commenses following statements of alternative truths and alternative facts usually from the BMW badged elite.

Original poster drops video like a hot brick as reaction on here is like throwing a slab of meat into a starving shark pool.

Nobody notices slab of meat has gone long ago as now too busy eating each other.

Original poster is now back out on road wondering WTF just happened. More traumatized by this thread than the actual event.

Well, seeing as no one else has said it... perhaps Nigel has a dry sense of humour ( I've not had the pleasure btw ), made the comment 'tongue in cheek' has seen the cockfest on here and simply risen above it all?

No shortage of accusations of 'bad workmen blaming their tools' not surprisingly to be fair.

If that's he case the phrase 'left holding an empty sack' springs to mind.
 
I understand Nutty's left 'holding an empty sack' most mornings before he gets up ...


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Where is the contents then? :D


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I think they're in Nutty's bedside tissue box ....


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