Africa Twin is coming

[Deleted account 200123001]

Whilst it's podgier than we would have liked it is of course a little short sighted to focus too much on peak power on a bike like this but by comparison from older siblings.

- CBF1000 was 105hp at 220kg dry
- Varadero was 84 hp at 225 dry

It's also a new engine isn't it, so I suspect its been "detuned" to ensure reliability...later developments will perhaps improve output. In many ways the BMW boxer engine has a lot of parity with the 911, they have years of R&D know how on that bike and engine and its been field tested brutally many times.

The F800 is listed as 85hp @ 178kg = 477bhp/tonne
the AT would be 447bhp tonne.


You know what though.......sod the figures, it still looks great and I'd possibly buy one just for that alone.

 

[Nutty]

You know what though.......sod the figures, it still looks great and I'd possibly buy one just for that alone.

And that's what they're banking on.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

And that's what they're banking on.

Good job, 'cos it ain't got a lot else going for it, on paper

Already surpassed, by current offerings on sale, today

At least at 95hp it's A2 licence friendly - so will please the new boys, fresh out of training school.................who can only dream of a S1000XR or 1200 GSA WC or KTM 1190 S

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

The KTM 1050 wa the real disappointment for me.................... Lighter weight, more off road orientation less electronic gizmo's and the new price would have been a real adventure bike and probably sold more.........................

KTM should now revise the 1050 this autumn with 21/18 wheels & adjustable WP suspension at both ends ..................................

KTM now have a game changer within their grasp

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But...................the point you're both missing is that a 'dirt orientated adventure bike' is a very niche market. Why would any mass market manufacturer want to sell into that market. The mass market is for 'adventure' styled road bikes, that's where the money is.

Honda have produced just that, an 'adventure' styled road bike with maybe a bit more of a nod to dirt than the others (but no more than a 800GS). Any other perception we may have of it being dirt orientated is down to the long running marketing campaign that's been run by Honda and the use of the AT moniker.

Plenty of talk (on here) about wanting a 'proper adventure bike' but would those peeps put their money where their mouth is? No, of course not

Andres

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

But...................the point you're both missing is that a 'dirt orientated adventure bike' is a very niche market. Why would any mass market manufacturer want to sell into that market. The mass market is for 'adventure' styled road bikes, that's where the money is.

Honda have produced just that, an 'adventure' styled road bike with maybe a bit more of a nod to dirt than the others (but no more than a 800GS). Any other perception we may have of it being dirt orientated is down to the long running marketing campaign that's been run by Honda and the use of the AT moniker.

Plenty of talk (on here) about wanting a 'proper adventure bike' but would those peeps put their money where their mouth is? No, of course not

Andres

Correctamundo.....................TKC 70's anyone?

That's about as far somebody will go to make it dirt orientated

 

[cookie]

But...................the point you're both missing is that a 'dirt orientated adventure bike' is a very niche market. Why would any mass market manufacturer want to sell into that market. The mass market is for 'adventure' styled road bikes, that's where the money is.

Honda have produced just that, an 'adventure' styled road bike with maybe a bit more of a nod to dirt than the others (but no more than a 800GS). Any other perception we may have of it being dirt orientated is down to the long running marketing campaign that's been run by Honda and the use of the AT moniker.

Plenty of talk (on here) about wanting a 'proper adventure bike' but would those peeps put their money where their mouth is? No, of course not

Andres

this ^^^^

i would quibble with the AT reference though. can't imagine many of the old ones saw dirt and doubt the new model will either.

 

[Wrinkly]

I've promised myself a 1050 early in the new year to run alongside my Stelvio.

I had one for 48 hours a couple of weeks ago and thought it was fantastic.
I'm no offroad god but did take it along Rudland Rigg and it coped very well. I found it easy to handle, although I will be honest and admit I did turn back before the fairly technical bit at the end.

The AT appears much more off road focused, and whilst I'm sure it will be a more competent offroader than the 1050,the 1050 will suit you're average Joe's off road ventures more.

Steve

 

[team duvet]

http://motorcycleraw.com/index.php/motorcycle/265-honda-crf1000l-africa-twin-officially-revealed

Check out the dash board, Honda class

 

[GSTourer]

The dash looks nice, but they don't exactly give the spec of the bike the big

 

[oldnfat]

But...................the point you're both missing is that a 'dirt orientated adventure bike' is a very niche market. Why would any mass market manufacturer want to sell into that market. The mass market is for 'adventure' styled road bikes, that's where the money is.

Honda have produced just that, an 'adventure' styled road bike with maybe a bit more of a nod to dirt than the others (but no more than a 800GS). Any other perception we may have of it being dirt orientated is down to the long running marketing campaign that's been run by Honda and the use of the AT moniker.

Plenty of talk (on here) about wanting a 'proper adventure bike' but would those peeps put their money where their mouth is? No, of course not

Andres

Well, the evidence is to the contrary m'lud, plenty of Tiger 800s have gone out of the door...with the 21" spoked wheel XC variant outselling the dynamically better on road version by 3-1 (according to Triumph). I wonder how many XCs have seen the dirt....so very few I am guessing. This being the case it is the style and "idea" of being able to leave the Tesco carpark behind and head for the Sahara that sells bikes. Also, let us not forget the market that really matters, 'merica! a lot more fire trails out there...and whilst the 1050 would be more than capable than most....it still will not sell because it have not got the right level of "adventurness", it could have looked and been so much better.....combined with the loverly V twin would have been a contender for me (and yes, I am an adventure wannabe tart....like most to the rest of the adventure bike fraternity).

The Africa twin does look good, especially in the white and HRC colours (well, nearly)....I am off to do my hair now!

 

[peepingtom]

and the price is.................


starting from €12,100 that's under £8600 !





That sounds quite cheap to me, or at least good value . Maybe an extra £1000 for DCT ?

 

[Davy F]

and the price is.................


starting from €12,100




That sounds quite cheap to me, or at least good value . Maybe an extra £1000 for DCT ?

Here's my worthless calculations.....

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showth...a-Twin-Video?p=4144245&viewfull=1#post4144245

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Well, the evidence is to the contrary m'lud, plenty of Tiger 800s have gone out of the door...with the 21" spoked wheel XC variant outselling the dynamically better on road version by 3-1 (according to Triumph). I wonder how many XCs have seen the dirt....so very few I am guessing. This being the case it is the style and "idea" of being able to leave the Tesco carpark behind and head for the Sahara that sells bikes. Also, let us not forget the market that really matters, 'merica! a lot more fire trails out there...and whilst the 1050 would be more than capable than most....it still will not sell because it have not got the right level of "adventurness", it could have looked and been so much better.....combined with the loverly V twin would have been a contender for me (and yes, I am an adventure wannabe tart....like most to the rest of the adventure bike fraternity).

The Africa twin does look good, especially in the white and HRC colours (well, nearly)....I am off to do my hair now!

A 21" wheel does not an adventure bike make (what ever an adventure bike is?!?!). Other than that you seem to be agreeing with me, I think?

Andres

 

[Davy F]

The Africa twin does look good, especially in the white and HRC colours

Which is the colour combo I've asked my dealer to get. . I have no hair !

 

[Nutty]

and the price is.................


starting from €12,100 that's under £8600 !





That sounds quite cheap to me, or at least good value . Maybe an extra £1000 for DCT ?

Dream on! Since when did the state of the Euro make any difference to bike pricing? You don't see any manufacturers adjusting the list price of their bikes in line with the fluctuation of the Euro.

 

[peepingtom]

Oh dear shows what I know. I'll get me coat


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[JohnnyBoxer]

Which is the colour combo I've asked my dealer to get. . I have no hair !

That's the colour for me too.....................hint of the Rothmans RTL's too...................delicious

 

[Davy F]

I was wanting the basic version....no ABS, traction control etc. Honda UK since this morning have now deleted this option from their website. So there's the best value model in the range now denied to the UK buying public. I know many may prefer to have those rider aids, but i wasn't. Feking nanny decision makers.

 

[Coolcarbon]

A 21" wheel does not an adventure bike make (what ever an adventure bike is?!?!)

Wonder which bike would be a suitable donor for 17" front and rear....

 

[Mav]

I was wanting the basic version....no ABS, traction control etc. Honda UK since this morning have now deleted this option from their website. So there's the best value model in the range now denied to the UK buying public. I know many may prefer to have those rider aids, but i wasn't. Feking nanny decision makers.

Isn't there some EU directive that all new bikes must come with ABS now?