Any Ideas why my 1150gsa wont start

[flat twin]

I offered a lend of a hall sensor by a member (what a star) so I can put that to rest.

I still think its water in the fuel. look at the evidence, heavy rain whilst riding home, washed the bike just minutes befor it stopped, the water drain was blocked.

So could it be water in the system before the cylinders and after the tank?

New fuel filter ordered today and any one know how to get the possibly contaminated fuel out of the lines upto the injectors?

Flat twin

 

[ianboydsnr]

I offered a lend of a hall sensor by a member (what a star) so I can put that to rest.

I still think its water in the fuel. look at the evidence, heavy rain whilst riding home, washed the bike just minutes befor it stopped, the water drain was blocked.

So could it be water in the system before the cylinders and after the tank?

New fuel filter ordered today and any one know how to get the possibly contaminated fuel out of the lines upto the injectors?

Flat twin

take plugs out, remove injector, spin motor with injector aimed at a jam jar, if its petrol in jar then its not water in the fuel

 

[ebbo]

I'm sure I've said this before... A mate of mine's 1100 failed in Switzerland, it had ignition (sparks) and fuel injection, but it would not fire up and run. It was due to a failed Hall Sensor.

This one to be exact

 

[flat twin]

Thanks Ebbo

One of the members has said he has a Hall sensor that he is going to post me and hopefully I will get before the weekend and try it, if clearing the lines out tonight fails to work.

I will have a new fuel filter and stuff tomorrow, so I will put this in regardless, because of the water drain blockage and again see how it goes.

I priced a Hall sensor up new £150 as near as F**ck is to swearing.

And if all this don't work and the Hall sensor don't work, its gonna be teddies and dummies out the cot when I have to take it to the dealer for the expensive plug in.

 

[flat twin]

+1......

check for irratic rev counter movement on turning he key! and random displays

booking it into local dealer for diagnostics,,,,,


just start setting fire to some money!


good luck

hm

No irratic rev counter movement so whats that mean, good or bad.

Ringing a dealer its like NOOOOOOOO

 

[ebbo]

Thanks Ebbo

One of the members has said he has a Hall sensor that he is going to post me and hopefully I will get before the weekend and try it, if clearing the lines out tonight fails to work.

I will have a new fuel filter and stuff tomorrow, so I will put this in regardless, because of the water drain blockage and again see how it goes.

I priced a Hall sensor up new £150 as near as F**ck is to swearing.

And if all this don't work and the Hall sensor don't work, its gonna be teddies and dummies out the cot when I have to take it to the dealer for the expensive plug in.

I'll point you at my page about Hall Sensors, it maybe of help http://www.ebbo.org/2av54.php

Good luck, let us know how its going

 

[MattW]

Nice page ebbo

I've just looked and it appears that Farnell now stock a 2av54 in the UK @£11.63 (£26.75 inc vat for two, delivered):
http://uk.farnell.com/honeywell-s-c/2av54/sensor-hall-effect-magnetic/dp/1470597

I've also read that the problem often lies with the wiring (rather than the actual sensor) which isn't as heat resistant as it should be and sufferers from insulation breakdown. There's a guy on ADV who rewired his when it failed - a little fiddly, but looks doable... He created a how-to which I could email you you'd like to try.

 

[ebbo]

Nice page ebbo

I've just looked and it appears that Farnell now stock a 2av54 in the UK @£11.63 (£26.75 inc vat for two, delivered):
http://uk.farnell.com/honeywell-s-c/2av54/sensor-hall-effect-magnetic/dp/1470597

I've also read that the problem often lies with the wiring (rather than the actual sensor) which isn't as heat resistant as it should be and sufferers from insulation breakdown. There's a guy on ADV who rewired his when it failed - a little fiddly, but looks doable... He created a how-to which I could email you you'd like to try.

Thanks Matt, but don't bother, I had words with him about copyright some while back...

 

[flat twin]

OK yesterday I ordered the fuel filter and seal they should be here today.

I took the plugs out again last night and the injectors off, I taped a sandwich bag to the injector to see what would come out when I turned the bike over I did 4 X 20 second bursts on the starter with the motor flying round like buggery, but to be honest there was nothing in the corner of the bags at all a drip at the most, never saw any puffs off vapour coming out and like i say there was a tiny amount in the corner of the bag but I suspect that its blocked or the hall sensor has gone. But this said I don't really know how much should come out never having an injection before. Any ideas?

So tank off again and looking at the wiring it all looks dry and tidy no sign of melting, but I need to check out the hall sensor block in-particular just need to find it first.

So hopefully filter on today and see what happens.

Can you blow your injectors out, is there any need?

After this its the hall sensor.

I shall keep you informed.

Flat twin.

 

[Timolgra]

Very carefully check the wires going into the injector connection. Also check the short wiring loom going to your ignition.
Take the TPS connector off and look for water or corrosion.

 

[flat twin]

Very carefully check the wires going into the injector connection. Also check the short wiring loom going to your ignition.
Take the TPS connector off and look for water or corrosion.

TPS connector whats that then and where do I find it

I am still struggling to find the hall sensor connector anyone give me a clue please?

Flat twin

 

[ianboydsnr]

I'm sure I've said this before... A mate of mine's 1100 failed in Switzerland, it had ignition (sparks) and fuel injection, but it would not fire up and run. It was due to a failed Hall Sensor.

This one to be exact

heres a clue

 

[Voyager]

No irratic rev counter movement so whats that mean, good or bad.

Ringing a dealer its like NOOOOOOOO

No erratic movement is a positive sign.

I took my 1150GSA to my local dealer (Motorrad Central East at Dalkeith) when I got back from Morocco as I was a bit suspicious of its performance and thought I had a problem.

They stuck it on the diagnostics, said it was fine with no recorded errors and didn't charge me for the reassurance !

I do get the bike serviced there, so I guess that counted in my favour.

Of course, if I had to leave it there for fixing it would have cost more than a DIY repair (unless I broke something else in the process ).

If you know your local dealer well (and you are on good terms) a visit shouldn't be too scary.

Bob.

 

[Steptoe]

Turn the ignition on don't start the bike. You'll hear the fuel pump prime and then stop.
With the ignition still turned on put the bike into gear, and turn the engine by revolving the back wheel. You should hear the fuel pump prime again and turn off as the hall sensor picks up a signal, keep turning so you can hear it a couple of times.

If no fuel pump noise, no signal is being sent, the hall sensor is your problem.

But just because there is a fuel pump noise it still doesn't mean 100% that the hall sensor doesn't have a fault.

You can also do a test via the hall sensor plug where it connects to the loom. You need long thin probes on a meter, turn the ignition on take a reading across two connectors - trouble is i couldn't tell you what colours they are, i just do it automatically without looking in great detail because i know where to poke them

 

[roddy]

TPS connector whats that then and where do I find it

I am still struggling to find the hall sensor connector anyone give me a clue please?

Flat twin

TPS is the box shaped thingy on the Left hand side, follow the cable

Hall sensors are behind the plastic cover at the front, I don't know where the connector ends up but looking at Ebbo's site, It should be overly hard to find there'll not be that many 6way blocks with 5 wires in them

You can download the manual if need be, I don't have the details to hand but if you do a search I'm sure something will pop up.

cheers

 

[Steptoe]

Hall sensors are behind the plastic cover at the front, I don't know where the connector ends up but looking at Ebbo's site, It should be overly hard to find there'll not be that many 6way blocks with 5 wires in them

On an 1150 the connector sits by itself behind the large block of several connectors that are under the tank at the front.

 

[flat twin]

heres a clue

Oi Iansboydnsr the bloody conector looks nowt like that, it was a sod to see where the lead came out and when i followed it I discounted it the first couple of times because the plug was differant to those in the photos and also the wires going in to the conector was the wrong amount and the wrong colours, but thanks to steptoes description of its location I gave it another try and went past the plug to the other side where the amont was right and matched the colours.

anyway the next step of the saga, are you sitting comfy?

so the fuel filter has not arived, I waited while this afternoon because I got fed up with being sat under the letter box with baited breath, poised to rip the package open.
I rang the shop this afternoon and the bloke said " you must be septic, I have your package in my hand as we speak" BASTARD it should be in my hand you twat, have you no idea that there is nothing more important in this world right now than getting this bike running. Anyway it should drop on my mat in the morning and if it dont, he is under no doubt that I can be at his shop in an hour and half, with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. The bastard.

So with time on my hands hall conector located and some great information from this site, me and my mate decide to give it a go and test it.

So with some wire a tester the bike in 2nd gear we turn it over and lo and behold we are getting voltage as the hall sensor is activated, when spining the back wheel.

So I have a spark at the plugs, no irratic rev counter movment on switching the ignition on and last but not least movement on a volt meter as the hall sensor is activated. Your thoughts chaps.

But I still dont have any injector mist when spining the motor with no plugs in.

So tomorrow its new filter in the tank (or there will be a stores job going in Rotherham) See if I can clean the fuel system from the tank to the injectors and see what happens then.

after that its the dealer and tears, lots of tears.

Flat twin to all that have been helping me, thank you ( this is starting to sound like a suicide note aint it) good bye cruel world

Flat twin

 

[Timolgra]

So tomorrow its new filter in the tank (or there will be a stores job going in Rotherham) See if I can clean the fuel system from the tank to the injectors and see what happens then.

Don't hold your breath

 

[billyt53]

This is how I understand it. On the Hall sensor, I think the uppermost sensor controls the fuel injectors ( ie. when to fire the squirt of fuel) and the lower one is the ignition timing.
(It could be the other way round....can't remember!!)

So, it could be just the actual fuel injection sensor thats stuffed.

Billy

 

[Keith Chapman]

Just another idea, as you seem to be getting nothing from the injectors, could it be the fuel pressure regulator?