Autocom Pro 300 PROBLEMS

OK lets ask...

1. When listening to your music on your bike via a STD Autocom unit and speakers do you wear ear plugs?
2. Do you have to turn the autocom and MP3 players volume to the MAX in order to adequately hear 1. your intercoms 2. your music?
3. Do you find that your Autocom dampens, compresses, lowers in volume etc your overall volume randomly as if it detects too much signal from your MP3 player which reduces as you lower the volume?

...cause mine does! :mad:
 
Your Super Pro is designed for ear plug use so there should not be any issues at all, the auto volume the Super Pro offers helps with the music volumes at the higher speeds rated to 120mph.

Speed wise all I can say is check your microphone position as if your wifes helmet was anything like yours when you arrived it was around and inch away from your mouth.

Rich
 
Your Super Pro is designed for ear plug use so there should not be any issues at all, the auto volume the Super Pro offers helps with the music volumes at the higher speeds rated to 120mph.

Speed wise all I can say is check your microphone position as if your wifes helmet was anything like yours when you arrived it was around and inch away from your mouth.

Rich

Rated at 120MPH? Well when testing the phone the mic worked well up to 70mph. Above that my mic would start miss words or break up. But I can live with that!

There's two faults as I see it. Not enough volume from Autocom with earplugs, and volume drops in and out when listening to music when wearing earplugs with the iPod volume adjusted near to the MAX. This continues to happen and has been happening from day 1. If I reduce the iPod volume to a lower level where the volume drops stop then the music level is too quiet and not really worth bothering with.

Regarding your claim that my mic was an inch away from my mouth when you saw my helmet - come on pull the other one - this is simply not true, I just put it in at a different angle than you. Everytime I used the intercoms that mic was always on my lips. Anyway, the auto volume problem with iPod still continues without Mic connected!
 
OK lets ask...

1. When listening to your music on your bike via a STD Autocom unit and speakers do you wear ear plugs?
2. Do you have to turn the autocom and MP3 players volume to the MAX in order to adequately hear 1. your intercoms 2. your music?
3. Do you find that your Autocom dampens, compresses, lowers in volume etc your overall volume randomly as if it detects too much signal from your MP3 player which reduces as you lower the volume?

...cause mine does! :mad:

1. Yes, purpose made moulded ear plugs. They are hard acrylic, with a filter built in, looking a bit like this:

earPlugs.jpg


They work fine with Autocom's speakers and a Pro-7 (I think that's the designation) Autocom box.

I also have some soft moulded in-ear monitors, from Ultimate Ear. These work fine, too. As these dispense with the Autocom speakers, a direct comparison is obviously meaningless.

2. No

3. No. It seems to work fine. I have used it at various times on / with:

(a) Blackbird, Pan European, FireBlade, CBR600RR, vanilla 1200 GS and a 1200GSA.

(b) Aria Quantum F (or whatever the letter is) and a Shoei Multictec.

I do not expect concert hall performance, for that I have the 02 or the Albert Hall, nor deep base (sic). It is more than reasonable up to sustained progressive speeds, after which machine noise and wind (mine and nature's) takes over.

I suggest a return visit to GSRich, if you haven't peed him off too much.
 
Why Should I have peed of GSrich? I'm just trying to figure out what is normal and what isn't. And it seems that the auto drop in volume isn't! I was expecting someone to come on here and say as that'll be the input signal limiter kicking in which causes the sound to drop if the input volume is too high - but no one has suggesting there's a fault. GSrich only tested my unit stationery and not riding. I don't want another ride to Autocom. If my unit is faulty in some way I want a new one via Oceon in Plymouth.

I am wondering whether the yellow (foam) earplugs I use perhaps dampens the sounds a bit too well causing the need for extra volume but these ear plugs are in most bike shops and others would be using them as well.

I understand the Autocom speaker limitations so lets not compare big bass or concert halls anymore as if I'm wanting that from these speakers cause I know they won't. I may in the future get some of those moulded in ear speakers if they promise to give me better hi fi sound later on.
 
Lacking anyone saying "That'll be the input signal limiter kicking in which causes the sound to drop if the input volume is too high", it looks like Ocean and a new Autocom box is your only option.
 
I think the acid test (or measure) is how many people who have managed to get their Autocom and sound (GPS, Ipod, phone, bike-to-bike, rider-to-pillion or whatever) to work together in perfect harmony with the standard speakers, assorted ear plugs and assorted helmets.

I don't think the colour of the ear plugs has much effect, though. So that's an easy thing to discount.

Reading this - and hoping to buy a 200 or 300 this week...

Has anyone (and I have searched) put together an idiots guide of how to set this all up?

i.e. a pic by pic version for a fool?
I have a **deep breath** K1200S (I know - I have lurked on here for ages - but joined the dark side) and want get it all set up before a big euro trip...
I will even buy a new phone if need be...
Kit
Zumo 550
HTC Diamond Touch Pro (sometimes use TomTom on this)
No iPod yet
Kenwood TK 3201
 
Reading this - and hoping to buy a 200 or 300 this week...

Has anyone (and I have searched) put together an idiots guide of how to set this all up?

i.e. a pic by pic version for a fool?
I have a **deep breath** K1200S (I know - I have lurked on here for ages - but joined the dark side) and want get it all set up before a big euro trip...
I will even buy a new phone if need be...
Kit
Zumo 550
HTC Diamond Touch Pro (sometimes use TomTom on this)
No iPod yet
Kenwood TK 3201

Would you consider getting it installed at the factory? Rich even does the occasional Saturday.
 
Reading this - and hoping to buy a 200 or 300 this week...

Has anyone (and I have searched) put together an idiots guide of how to set this all up?

i.e. a pic by pic version for a fool?
I have a **deep breath** K1200S (I know - I have lurked on here for ages - but joined the dark side) and want get it all set up before a big euro trip...
I will even buy a new phone if need be...
Kit
Zumo 550
HTC Diamond Touch Pro (sometimes use TomTom on this)
No iPod yet
Kenwood TK 3201

It's very easy.

The hub of the whole affair is the Autocom box itself. There is nothing magical about it. Just think of it as a kind of mixer that enables you to listen to sound (Voice instructions from a GPS, music from an Ipod, voice driver-to-pillion, voice bike-to-bike via a radio and voice via phone) without too much input from yourself.

The Autocom box needs power to work. Some can be powered by an internal battery and / or by power from the bike itself. If you chose just the interal battery it's just a question of lobbing the Autocom box into a tankbag, then joining up the GPS, Ipod, and bike-to-bike radio via the leads Autocom can supply you with. The only real care you need to take is to plug the right audio lead into the right socket on the Autocom box itself. This is easy enough as Autocom label each socket and the inbox instructions tell you which socket to use for each type of add-on device.

If you want to power the Autocom box and bike-to-bike radio from the motorbike, it's reasonably easy, too. Again, Autocom will supply all the leads you need to do the job. It is also easy to get power, safely. Some people wire the devices direct to the battery (via a suitable fuse). This works but means the Autocom and radio are permanently live and may well flatten your battery. So, to avoid this disaster, you need to source your power via a feed that turns on and off with the ignition, just like the lights.

This is easy, too. You have several choices. You can simply plug it all into one of the bike's (I assume you have a BuMW) auxiliary power sockets. This is OK but means you cannot use the socket for anything else. Or you can tap into the power that flows to other items on the bike that are powered when the ignition is turned on. Examples would be: The driving light (not the main beam, as that only works when you turn it on), the rear light (that is always on but don't use the brake light as that is only powered on when you engage the brakes), the diagnostic wire or perhaps easiest of all, the wire that powers the auxiliary socket. There is a thread, with links, on how to do this in the 1200 section. If you do not have a 1200 - or another bike with the Canbus system - it does not matter. The method is exactly the same, except you MUST remember to put a suitable fuse between the power source, the Autocom box and probably your bike-to-bike radio, too. There are lots of threads, many very good, with pictures on how to install everything on lots of different bikes on UKGSer and elsewhere on the web. A Google search and a bit of patient imaginative searching will turn them up.

That has dealt with the Autocom box. Now the speakers and microphone. Again, full instructions come in the box. The only things to take care of are:
The positioning of the speakers, relative to your ears and the microphone relative to your mouth. But all of this is explained in the instructions in the box.

The system will play sound 'in' (voice from GPS and an Ipod, for instance) with no input from you. But, as you want to play sound 'out' (to a pillion, or via a bike-to-bike radio) you need to turn the Autocom box's transmit facility on. This can be done one of two ways:

(1) Via blowing sharply into the microphone, 'pffff'. A bit like whistling without the whistle, if you see what I mean. This will open the transmit circuit. Then talk clearly and reasonably slowly and it will work. It takes a little bit of practice to get it right. But, once learned, it's never forgotten... just like riding a bicycle.

(2) Via a Push-to-talk (PTT) button. Again, this is available from Autocom, with full instructions. In essence, it is a thumb operated switch that you push to talk (hence its name). It is best to mount the switch where you can operate it with your left thumb. Again, all the instructions are available in the box.

The system is, to some degree or another, sensitive to wind noise. It can mistake wind noise as 'pfff' from your lips, opening up the system to transmit mode. This is where the VOX system comes in. It acts as an electronic damper, reducing (or increasing) the sensitivity via a knob on the Autocom box. Just use a little patience and read the instructions to set it up. All will be well.
 
What more?

Autocom themselves are very helpful. Via the phone, or via this site (GSRich) or if you make an appointment to visit them in person. There are also lots of good threads on UKGSer and sites on the web with hints and tips, too. A bit of searching and reading will answer most questions.

Often the hardest thing is getting just the right leads to join the peripherals up. This is not Autocom's fault, there are simply so many variables. However, if you make a tidy list of all the bits (make and type) you want to join together Autocom will put you right, no question.

If you have a 1200GS and hard wire the Autocom box in, it can sometimes create a small problem for the BuMW 'smart' battery charger, if you use one. Autocom sell a simple device that gets around the issue.

Some set-ups suffer from a bit of interference. With so many sparks and electrical circuits running about close together this is understandable. A bit of trial and error will sort this out, for sure. Autocom also sell a 'smoother' (I can't think of the word) to remove a part of the problem. I had one on my vanilla 1200 but don't seem to need it on my 1200GSA. Again, Autocom can and will help you. Their product / customer support ethic is first class. :thumb2

It is not a cheap system per-se. But, once set-up it works well and will last many years, probably outlasting your motorbike. It is easy to transfer to a new bike and there is a very good second-hand market, too, either as a buyer or seller. It is 'Good value' overall, in my opinion.


PS If you become a site sponsor, it's just £12 a year, you will be able to view all of the pictures and access the 'Subscriber' only sections of UKGSer, like the For Sale and Wanted section. This may turn up some bargains in the Autocom parts department. I think it also turns on a better 'Search' option, which is helpful. You will also be able to post pictures yourself, which is sometimes handy if you are trying to explain a problem. It's cheap money well spent and helps maintain the 'Ask a question - get an answer' ethos of the forum.
 
Well ive got a sheet of paper saying all the saturdays ive got to work so feel free to book whenever you like :thumb2

Rich :beerjug:
 
Lacking anyone saying "That'll be the input signal limiter kicking in which causes the sound to drop if the input volume is too high", it looks like Ocean and a new Autocom box is your only option.

Well just before I pay Oceon a visit I want to exhaust all possibilities. Riding my bike yesterday to see how it fails and it struck me that maybe the helmet sensor is at fault which adjusts the volume according to speed/noise. The volume was fluctuating up and down a bit yesterday and was not helpful. Even with volume levels set high the volume is better when I open my visor which is sensed and adjusted by the Autocom helmet sensor. I pushed the sensor deeper into my helmet but that made volume fluctuation worse or it didn't increase the volume enough as I rode faster!

Also, since using Bluetooth dongle with earplugs the volume is too low. It was louder when it was connected via the audio lead. I've played around with the bluetooth volume settings and even with everything set to max the GPS volume comes through same volume - too quite.
 
The Bluetooth dongle is only there to connect the phone side of the GPS, the lead is still used to connect the GPS side of the NAVIII. So is the phone side too low in volume?

Rich
 
The Bluetooth dongle is only there to connect the phone side of the GPS, the lead is still used to connect the GPS side of the NAVIII. So is the phone side too low in volume?

Rich

As discussed on the phone today, Since bluetooth dongle fitted ALL sound from GPS & Phone is routed via bluetooth. The audio lead, although connected, is redundant. I will play with settings further and report back to confirm. As all sound is routed via bluetooth the sound quality of GPS has reduced from good quality mono to telephone quality. Autocom & Nav3 vol settings are all set to MAX but GPS instructions are quiet at speed. Again I'm talking about when I wear those yellow foam ear plugs!

Paul.
 
Well just before I pay Oceon a visit I want to exhaust all possibilities. Riding my bike yesterday to see how it fails and it struck me that maybe the helmet sensor is at fault which adjusts the volume according to speed/noise. The volume was fluctuating up and down a bit yesterday and was not helpful. Even with volume levels set high the volume is better when I open my visor which is sensed and adjusted by the Autocom helmet sensor. I pushed the sensor deeper into my helmet but that made volume fluctuation worse or it didn't increase the volume enough as I rode faster!

Also, since using Bluetooth dongle with earplugs the volume is too low. It was louder when it was connected via the audio lead. I've played around with the bluetooth volume settings and even with everything set to max the GPS volume comes through same volume - too quite.

If that is the case .. I bet you had the same problem as me :rob

You plugged your headset with sensor into the pillion lead where it thinks it is another mic.

Try plugging your headset into the other lead. See if that happens again.
 
If that is the case .. I bet you had the same problem as me :rob

You plugged your headset with sensor into the pillion lead where it thinks it is another mic.

Try plugging your headset into the other lead. See if that happens again.

I don't think thats it cause GSrich went through everything inc bike and helmet when I paid him a visit last week and everything is connected to the right place! However I will do that and let you know!
 
The pillions lead is NOT designed for a riders headset on the Pro so it is not worth changing leasds around. A new BGNS has been sent off so shall await for the results.

Rich :beerjug:
 
Well I'm back because the blimin Autocom was playing up again yesterday on a long rideout.

Main problem was music volume dropping away. Also had come the end of the day some screeming and poor audio playback but this was rectified by unplugging leads and rejoining them again.

I've been using the system for a while now but the thing is still dropping volume like it's being limited by the circuitry that no one seems to acknowledge. My main use for Autocom is playing music from iPod, 2nd use is navigation, 3rd making the odd phone call. I also wear ear plugs so when I do everything is turned up. Autocom is set to MAX on all volumes. Navigation gets set to 100% and so does iPod to get any decent volume coming through over the sounds of wind and ackropovic can with no baffles. As iPod does not normalise the volume when playing tracks naturally some songs have stronger bass, overall volume etc etc. As it turns out some songs when played will constantly drop in volume up and down, up and down. Did my head in yesterday! It seems to help the iPod volume is tuned down but then what's the point of that? I can't hear the music that well!

It only seems to happen when all the volumes are turn up to full!
 


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