Basecamp, Waypoints, Via points etc.

[Wapping]

Waypoints are 'Must do' points, avoidable only by cancellation, skipping or by some other deliberate act on the part of the GPS device's operator.

Shaping points, are just that. Points that have been used to shape a pre-planned route - most often created on a computer at home - in a definite direction down a definite road. They can be missed out at leisure, either by going off route deliberately or by accident, or by forcing a recalculation or in a number of different ways.

A properly run GPS, with a nicely created pre-planned route will always endevour to bring its owner back onto a pre-planned route for sure. Bods get mighty upset when their device doesn't.... See multiple threads on the topic.... The reasons for failure are many and varied but most often involve human error'on behalf of the operator.

 

[Becksy]

This is great info.

When starting the ride on the Nav V, it seems that only the Waypoints appear in the list of "Select Next Destination", BUT the Nav V will still route via the shaping points that do not appear as an option. Am I correct? I.e. any point where I have selected "Don't alert in arrival (shaping point), it will go through, and any point where it is programmed to alert on arrival will appear as an option for the next destination?

I think I'm getting there and will persevere.

 

[Becksy]

Right here goes...


Report back at leisure....

Richard

Hi Richard

I've just done what you said in your first post and its worked spot on. Thanks. So basically, whether or not you add a waypoint to a route list or drag it around, depending on whether you select alert on arrival or not, tells the device whether to treat it as a waypoint or a via/shaping point. If its a waypoint it appears as an option in "select next destination".

I appreciate you taking the time with this.

What I'd like further advice on is how the Nav will handle things if you divert off route if the next point is a waypoint, or a shaping point. From what you've said, if it's a waypoint the Nav will send you back to the waypoint (orange flag on device) if you divert. If it's a shaping point it takes you back to the route in the most direct manner so that you get to the next shaping or waypoint? (which could lead to unite a different route?)

Thanks

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Which makes me wonder why so many bods get annoyed when their GPS devices apparently do not take them back to their pre-set route.

You find it annoying when it does; they find it annoying when it doesn't. Funny old world.

They could always use the skip function on the unit or indeed the detour function both of which can be accessed using the control wheel

 

[Wapping]

When starting the ride on the Nav V, it seems that only the Waypoints appear in the list of "Select Next Destination", BUT the Nav V will still route via the shaping points that do not appear as an option. Am I correct? I.e. any point where I have selected "Don't alert in arrival (shaping point), it will go through, and any point where it is programmed to alert on arrival will appear as an option for the next destination?

I think I'm getting there and will persevere.

You are exactly right.

 

[Wapping]

So basically, whether or not you add a waypoint to a route list or drag it around, depending on whether you select alert on arrival or not, tells the device whether to treat it as a waypoint or a via/shaping point. If its a waypoint it appears as an option in "select next destination".

What I'd like further advice on is how the Nav will handle things if you divert off route if the next point is a waypoint, or a shaping point. From what you've said, if it's a waypoint the Nav will send you back to the waypoint (orange flag on device) if you divert. If it's a shaping point it takes you back to the route in the most direct manner so that you get to the next shaping or waypoint? (which could lead to unite a different route?)

That's right.

I have my device set to prompt me if I go off route but not to recalculate unless I instruct it to. In other words, I have auto-recalculate turned off.

This means I keep control of the device. If I stray off route on purpose or by accident, I zoom the map in and out to work out how to get back to my route. Most often I can work out how to do it on the move, though sometimes it's easiest to stop and do a quick U-turn.

 

[Wapping]

Becksy, how are you getting on?

If you have now cracked plotting a bespoke route in BaseCamp on your Mac and have taken onboard the difference between way and shaping points, you can start to make use of the other functions you've got available within 'Get info'.

Here is one to start with:

If you look at your start point, the end point and any intermediate shaping or waypoints, you'll see a clock. If you click on this you'll be able to pre-set all sorts of personal data. For a trip away over several days, a good one to start with is a date for the route. By default this is set as the date and time that you first created the route. You can alter this to the date and time when you intend to use it.

Why might you want to do this? Well, the routes will appear in date order on your GPS device. Similarly, you can use the function to put in (and find) alternative routes for the same day. For example, if you created two routes for one day, let's say one with some motorway if the weather is bad and one all twisty if it's not. You could give them both the same calendar date but give them different names and start the motorway one say an hour later, as it will be quicker. In other words, you can tailor each route to make them easier to find and use on your GPS device when you are away.

You can set departure dates and times OR you can do it by arrival times. You can also set stop over times for each point. It really is quite powerful - and easy to use - software when you start to use it properly

Another useful trick is to maybe change the colour of a route (or routes) away from the default magenta. Why might you do this?

BaseCamp makes it really easy to display lots of routes on one screen. You can colour your individual routes to suit you and make them easier to see. For example, you could make all your outward journeys green and the returns red. Or you could use differ colours for your 'If it's dry I'll use this dark blue route, but if it's wet I'll use this light blue route'. All you are doing is using the software to make life easier either when you are away or when using your planning tools as a personal computer.

 

[Caesi]

Great stuff. thanks for all the details.
It finally starts making sense as well. Although I haven't found the "Don't alert" function yet. Will keep looking

 

[Tomcat]

Great stuff. thanks for all the details.
It finally starts making sense as well. Although I haven't found the "Don't alert" function yet. Will keep looking

On the Nav V, go to trip planner, select the route and you see a list of way points and via points. Click on the '3 bars' menu top LH corner, 'Edit Destinations'. You now see the list of viapoints. Click on the symbol (not the name) for the viapoint and you see a pop up 'duration and arrival times will be removed. Change to shaping point?' No/Yes.

It's easier and quicker to edit in Basecamp before loading a route to the Nav V. Open the route properties (double click route name, or R-click, open) and you'll see a list of the via points. They're in solid black text as opposed to shaping points which are greyed and have 'won't alert' against them. R-click on the via point and choose 'Don't alert on arrival'. You can use Shift and L-click to select all intermediate points in a route and change all of them at once.

Note that you can only change this parameter for viapoints, not waypoints.

 

[Caesi]

excellent. found the option now in basecamp. thanks a lot

 

[Wapping]

A thread that, if nothing else, proves that it is really not so very difficult to create a route in BaseCamp, work out how it relates to a modern GPS and how to use waypoints and shaping points easily and properly.

 

[Becksy]

Becksy, how are you getting on?

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Getting on OK. I think I have it generally sussed. I will use the date tick when I load up all my routes!

Thanks for the advice.

 

[vRSG60]

What I'd like further advice on is how the Nav will handle things if you divert off route if the next point is a waypoint, or a shaping point. From what you've said, if it's a waypoint the Nav will send you back to the waypoint (orange flag on device) if you divert. If it's a shaping point it takes you back to the route in the most direct manner so that you get to the next shaping or waypoint? (which could lead to unite a different route?)

Thanks

I started a thread about this and can only speak regarding shaping points.
I deviated from my route, well I stopped the route and asked the unit to take me to a different place, BUT when I wanted to rejoin I clicked take me to destination, this results in the route being ignored and the Nav V taking you there as it sees fit. As you can imagine

I'd didn't have any waypoints along the way. I will in future.
I need to read up on the detour function. It's not something I've tried or even looked at yet.
It will be interesting to see how this integrates into deviating from a set route.

 

[Becksy]

Another question.
Programmed a route today on Basecamp (which didn't take me where I expected, suspect I may have just been careless when mapping the route in Basecamp, will check later), when I selected it on the Nav it asked if I wanted to change to car mode. Any ideas?


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[leedude03]

possibly created in basecamp in car mode and not motorcycle.

 

[Becksy]

Just checked, correct.

 

[The Grey One]

possibly created in basecamp in car mode and not motorcycle.

How do the two "modes" available on the device correspond to the 16 different "activity profiles" on Basecamp? That makes no sense, but then it is Garmin!

John

 

[leedude03]

I have no idea if they do or they don't correspond it was a suggestion.

 

[leedude03]

I would think he may have his two modes set with different preferences but in base camp he may have all set the same apart from the bike one so if he plans a route in car profile or any but bike, it will be different than the bike.
I am tired so this may not make sense.

 

[The Grey One]

I have just tried transferring a route made using the "driving" activity profile in Basecamp to my 390. The 390 was set to the "motorcycle" mode , transferring the route didn't change that mode straight away but when the route was activated it changed to "car" mode. Switching to a previous route reverted to "motorcycle " mode. You can't see the symbol for the mode when a route is active. I does appear that Basecamp sends information that changes the modes but that any change applies to individual routes. If that is the case then this is a useful feature allowing for the automatic selection different routing preferences according to how the route was planned.

It's a shame, but rather typical of Garmin that in Basecamp it is called activity profile and on the devices a mode, some consistency would be nice! Just what happens if you plan a route using Basecamp's "bicycle" activity profile remains to be seen.


John