Activity profile in map source, you will find it under edit-preferences-routing-vehicle just in case people did not know how to find it, and in basecamp its at the top on the tool bar under activity profile.
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The Grey One
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There is no "activity profile" in Mapsource just preferences. As far as I know Mapsource preferences are not passed to the device. I suspect that all Basecamp does is change between the car and motorcycle modes and that the settings for those modes are the ones the user has set (or the default ones) I doubt it overrides the device settings.
John
Maybe i should have worded it differently, and called it vehicle settings, but i can asure you if you create a route in mapsource when you have it set to Vehicle car/motorbike, and then change it to Vehicle Taxi or truck or bus or whatever and recalculate for each change without altering anything else the route will indeed alter. Now whether or not these changes alter anything on the nav i dont know, but as an activity or vehicle profile they will indeed alter your route, so whether garmin call it preferences in mapsource and activity in basecamp does not really make a difference it serves the same purpose, and will alter your route.
The Grey One
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What I am trying to understand is the two modes available on later Garmin devices, car and motorcycle. Firstly in Mapsource the car and motorcycle setting is one item. I know it will route differently if you set it for truck for instance. What it appears to do is ignore via points and simply plot a route between my to waypoints using preferences set for truck routes. I have tested his by copying a route with several vias and then switching to "Truck" before recalculating. But there is no truck mode on our bike devices, maybe others can tell me if such a mode is featured on devices specifically sold for use in trucks.
I usually plan routes in Mapsource and therefore have the vehicle setting on Car/Motorcycle. As I have reported in another thread I had problems when I switched my 390 into the motorcycle mode. This I did by pressing the icon and changing it to motorcycle. I have set the preferences for this mode to be exactly the same as for its car mode. In the motorcycle mode it does very strange things. I have just tested it again and the routing is nonsense. It looked like it was trying everything, including sending me down farm tracks, to avoid the A46 around Evesham. Switching to car mode solves the problem so there is something other than my preferences affecting the routing.
I now understand that Basecamp sends info on which Activity Profile was used and changes the setting for routes downloaded. I tested this and it appears to be route specific, downloading a route made in the motorcycling profile changed my 390 into motorcycle mode only when that route was activated. Activating another route (made in Mapsource) caused the 390 to revert to car mode. This is all well and good and is a plus point for Basecamp. Unfortunately my 390 is worse than useless in motorcycle mode because of the bizarre routing issue.
As I don't intend to use Basecamp for planning routes and I can just leave my 390 in car mode I have no real problem. I still remain intrigued by just why the motorcycle mode does not work on my device.
John
i will hazard a guess here and it is just that a guess, look on any of the garmin forums including their own, and you will see statements saying that the new devices do NOT work with mapsource, and we must use basecamp, and of course we know this not to be true in part, just maybe, the part we do not know about, is the way mapsource interacts with the new units, compared to basecamp, for example sending preferences and the information contained with in, and the function codes that the unit must recognise to make changes, you can rest assured that they would not state to use basecamp with new devices if the old software was 100% functional with them.
Edit, or maybe the code inside mapsource just messes with the new units hence the statement they are not compatable
Edit, or maybe the code inside mapsource just messes with the new units hence the statement they are not compatable
The Grey One
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Touching faith in companies like Garmin!
I have never had a problem using Mapsource with newer devices and I personally will carry on using it unless or until Garmin come up with something better. Basecamp is not, for me, that something better. And if Mapsource is not compatible why are there still settings on the newer devices to allow the user to work with Mapsource? The fact is my device does not work properly in Motorcycle mode even when I use Basecamp to plan my route so trying to blame it on Mapsource is no help. As is trying to blame it on my use of openstreetmap mapping. It does exactly the same silly things when I revert to the, inferior, Garmin maps.
I have checked again on Basecamp, if the driving and motorcycling profiles are set to match it calculates the same route, as you would expect, in the same way. If I then transfer the route made using the motorcycling profile to my 390 it will look just like the version on Basecamp. The problem comes if it needs to recalculate for any reason, it will then come up with nonsense routing. If I use the same route but switch to the car mode there are no such problems.
John
John. If you read through this thread, particularly posts from Wapping, the thing to do which I have just learnt is to switch off automatic rerouting. Then you can return to the route without it having recalculated. If you go off route with auto recalculation the units logic will prevail over all your hard work in setting up the route.
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The Grey One
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I tottaly disagree, that is not my experience at all. I find the auto re routing very useful. It only causes a problem if you don't set preferences to suit your needs or you don't plan properly. If your preferences are set properly the auto recalculate just sorts out minor diversions without fuss and takes you on to the next via point on your route using the sort of roads you have requested. It should not ruin your route, it will only change it significantly if there are not enough via points to tell the device where you wanted to go. In others words, if you didn't put any effort into the route in the first place. If, for instance, it is 20 miles to the next via point and you take a wrong turning the device might take you directly there via a motorway, ignoring that lovely twisty B road its because your preferences don't include avoiding motorways.
I have been using various Garmin devices since 2003, always with auto recalculate on. Plotting a route that does not get spoilt by being re calculated is really very easy. I plot a simple route from A to B and then drag and drop the route until I am happy that it uses the roads I want rather that what Mapsource or Basecamp thinks. Most routes only need a handful of via points but obviously if there are alternative roads it pays to put a via point on the one you want. So putting a via on that lovely twisty B road means you won't miss it.
John
Fair enough,that'll work. I thought you were having a problem so offered up a possible solution which also works.
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Point 1 quote, (I personally will carry on using it unless or until Garmin come up with something better), as yet i can see no problems with you or anyone else using it no matter what unit people have, i use it myself. save for the people who just can not use it and choose to use something they find easier. Much the same as they would do if they can not use basecamp.
Point 2 quote (so trying to blame it on Mapsource is no help) I certainly was not trying to blame it on mapsource and, if you re read what i said was (you can rest assured that they would not state to use basecamp with new devices if the old software was 100% functional ) this is stated by garmin and not myself, there was no blame intended and i was just putting ideas forward for the problem you are having. Why should i blame it when i use this software along with many others, but certain things it will not do thats why i use other pieces of software.
Point 3 Quote ( And if Mapsource is not compatible why are there still settings on the newer devices to allow the user to work with Mapsource?) i have no idea, you could ask garmin about this and why they say it is not compatible.
Point 4 Quote ( The fact is my device does not work properly in Motorcycle mode even when I use Basecamp) so i presume it does not work properly when using mapsource either. there maybe a problem with
A your unit
B the way the routes are created or even transfered.
C an issue with settings
D i dont know
E maybe ask garmin
Point 5 Quote (The problem comes if it needs to recalculate for any reason, it will then come up with nonsense routing. If I use the same route but switch to the car mode there are no such problems) again use point 4 answers
Point 2 quote (so trying to blame it on Mapsource is no help) I certainly was not trying to blame it on mapsource and, if you re read what i said was (you can rest assured that they would not state to use basecamp with new devices if the old software was 100% functional ) this is stated by garmin and not myself, there was no blame intended and i was just putting ideas forward for the problem you are having. Why should i blame it when i use this software along with many others, but certain things it will not do thats why i use other pieces of software.
Point 3 Quote ( And if Mapsource is not compatible why are there still settings on the newer devices to allow the user to work with Mapsource?) i have no idea, you could ask garmin about this and why they say it is not compatible.
Point 4 Quote ( The fact is my device does not work properly in Motorcycle mode even when I use Basecamp) so i presume it does not work properly when using mapsource either. there maybe a problem with
A your unit
B the way the routes are created or even transfered.
C an issue with settings
D i dont know
E maybe ask garmin
Point 5 Quote (The problem comes if it needs to recalculate for any reason, it will then come up with nonsense routing. If I use the same route but switch to the car mode there are no such problems) again use point 4 answers
The Grey One
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Thanks for your input but if you re read my posts you will see that my only problem is with some rather strange routing which only occurs if I select the motorcycle mode on my 390. Other than that I have managed to use a Garmin to take me round most of Europe over the last 13 years.
Turning off auto re calculate only sort of works if you know where you went wrong and how to get back on your route. It also requires more effort in that you have to plan your own way back onto your chosen route. Not much fun if the reason you diverted was because a road was closed and you are in the middle of a unfamiliar and rather busy city.
I prefer the device to sort it out so can concentrate on my riding. Remember you don't have to go where the device sends you. If you don't like the look of it don't go there and the device will work something else out.
John
John,
On New England Riders.org I am sure he says he always has his satnav set to car only on the unit and in basecamp. Just one of those statements that sticks in my mind.
On New England Riders.org I am sure he says he always has his satnav set to car only on the unit and in basecamp. Just one of those statements that sticks in my mind.
The Grey One
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Sounds like I might not be the only one who has found this problem. I know early versions of Basecamp came with a Motorcycling "Activity Profile" that just produced nonsense. It's possible therefore that this guy's issue was Basecamp transferring those early settings to his device. As I have set both the "Driving" and the "Motorcycling" profiles to be exactly the same as part of my trial and error testing I am sure it is something other than the Basecamp settings causing the problem. The fact that I get the same issues with routes made on Mapsource if I switch to the "Motorcycle" mode, and as Mapsource has the same settings for both car & motorcycle this tends to support that assumption that it is something other than transferred settings causing it.
As I've said before it is no big deal, I can just keep my 390 in "Car" mode and all is well. It is rather a shame though, having found a feature on Basecamp that offers something I don't have in Mapsource, only to find it does not work properly.
John
Then set it for 'Prompted off-route recalculation' where you (the rider) retain ultimate control, not some dumb device.
It's not very difficult.
The Grey One
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Unnecessary if preferences are set and planning was done correctly. I don't want to have to deal with recalculating the route if I divert from the planned route for any reason. If I miss a turning or am forced, by roadworks, for instance, to turn off my pre-planned route I want to concentrate on the road and have it sorted for me. That's why I bought the " dumb device". The only dumb thing would be following the instructions blindly. If I don't think the device has made the right choice I just carry on the roads I want, it sorts it out and guides me on towards the next via point.
I also prefer to instruct my "dumb device" that it is not to take me along unpaved roads or motorways (most of the time!) Having preferences and avoidances set means that when I am on the road and need to get somewhere I can find my destination on the device and the device will calculate my route based on my personal preferences. Under my normal setting it won't use a motorway or unmade roads, I am more in control than if I had no avoidances ticked. I can change those settings to suit conditions. On a recent journey home from Cornwall I switched (at a coffee stop) to using motorways as the weather forecast was saying very heavy rain in my home area that coincided with our arrival time. The motorway route was just under an hour quicker so we were home before the storm hit.
This is, of course, a matter of personal preference, this method works for me, others might prefer your method. I would not presume to tell you or anyone else that they should use my method. I simple offer my solution as an alternative to yours.
John
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If, as you say, you have plotted your route correctly, have set your preferences and if there really is no easily sensible alternative course of action - the road you had planned on being shut or being hopelessly adrift in a city, hunting for a specific hotel - then indeed there may well be a case for a recalculation of a pre-made specific route. Those situations are comparatively rare, other than in Germany where Umleitung are of course the order of the day.... And everyone vil obey das odours...
Me? Unnecessary or not, I'd rather decide for myself when that dreadful moment has come and only then tell the dumb device to get me the hell out of Dodge, rather than have it do it automatically for me. I'm then in full control, not it. You are different.
Me? Unnecessary or not, I'd rather decide for myself when that dreadful moment has come and only then tell the dumb device to get me the hell out of Dodge, rather than have it do it automatically for me. I'm then in full control, not it. You are different.
The Grey One
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I find that diverting from my route is not that uncommon. Sometimes I miss a turning, sometimes there are other reasons, it might be that my chosen road is unexpectedly congested or just that I fancied the look of a turning. I can turn off safe in the knowledge that the device will sort it. It offers suggestions, I can chose to take note or do otherwise. Actually I treat its suggestions rather like I treat my wife's navigating directions, both are rather good at it and are usually right!
We both like to be in control, the difference is I think I am in more control my way and you think the same about your method. Why don't we just agree to differ?
John
Wapping,
just thought I'd say thanks for your help. I did a 160 mile there and back trip on Sunday, and it was my first long trip since your help. I plotted two different routes on Basecamp for there and back. Both replicated exactly on the Nav. The only iffy point I had was when i ended up going down a single track road on the way back, and I thought I hadn't planned that, but when I checked back with basecamp I had indeed sent it that way (so just need to be more careful on Basecamp). I also experimented with and unannounced via points, using unannounced except 1 on the way there and all announced on the way back, and they did exactly as expected.
I think as you said, the key is turning off the avoidances (or at least having them the same between Basecamp and device) and if you plan it exactly how you want it in Basecamp, it will work on the Nav.
On the Nav, the only avoidance I have is unpaved roads, and that is the only road type avoidance I have on Basecamp, though I do have some Basecamp feature type avoidances ticked (Ferries, cable car, climbing paths and narrow trails (!!what the hell are they for on a transport profile anyway...!!). In transfer settings I only have "always match the route...." ticked.
A couple of other minor questions you might be able to help with:-
1. When I open Basecamp now, I get a message saying "untitled detected, Basecamp needs your permission to use this device"? Any idea?
2. Also, sometimes, with my Nav plugged into the bike and then turned on, it asks if I want to switch to car profile, before I have even selected a route? (All my route planning uses motorcycle profile).
3. I have seen some discussions on maps. My maps on my device are Europe DEM, CN Europe NTU 2017.10 3D and CN Europe NTU 2017.10 Western Europe. They are all ticked. I guess they all work together to provide the map data? On Basecamp it looks like I have City Navigator Europe NTU 2017. v 20.10 and global map 2.0. I guess that's a correct match up.
So all my Spain routes are planned and am confident in how they will work.
Thanks
just thought I'd say thanks for your help. I did a 160 mile there and back trip on Sunday, and it was my first long trip since your help. I plotted two different routes on Basecamp for there and back. Both replicated exactly on the Nav. The only iffy point I had was when i ended up going down a single track road on the way back, and I thought I hadn't planned that, but when I checked back with basecamp I had indeed sent it that way (so just need to be more careful on Basecamp). I also experimented with and unannounced via points, using unannounced except 1 on the way there and all announced on the way back, and they did exactly as expected.
I think as you said, the key is turning off the avoidances (or at least having them the same between Basecamp and device) and if you plan it exactly how you want it in Basecamp, it will work on the Nav.
On the Nav, the only avoidance I have is unpaved roads, and that is the only road type avoidance I have on Basecamp, though I do have some Basecamp feature type avoidances ticked (Ferries, cable car, climbing paths and narrow trails (!!what the hell are they for on a transport profile anyway...!!). In transfer settings I only have "always match the route...." ticked.
A couple of other minor questions you might be able to help with:-
1. When I open Basecamp now, I get a message saying "untitled detected, Basecamp needs your permission to use this device"? Any idea?
2. Also, sometimes, with my Nav plugged into the bike and then turned on, it asks if I want to switch to car profile, before I have even selected a route? (All my route planning uses motorcycle profile).
3. I have seen some discussions on maps. My maps on my device are Europe DEM, CN Europe NTU 2017.10 3D and CN Europe NTU 2017.10 Western Europe. They are all ticked. I guess they all work together to provide the map data? On Basecamp it looks like I have City Navigator Europe NTU 2017. v 20.10 and global map 2.0. I guess that's a correct match up.
So all my Spain routes are planned and am confident in how they will work.
Thanks
Great to hear that you have it cracked. Not so hard really, despite protestations to the contrary.
Q1. Do you have a Time Capsule or something similar attached to your computer? If so, it's maybe that?
Q2. That's probably just a glitch, whereby the device is seeing your bike's cradle as being a car. Try cleaning the contacts carefully.
Q3. Unless you particularly want to chose the 3D view (I don't) you do not need to select (tick) it. Similarly, unless you are off to outside of Western Eurooe, you do not need to tick the global map 2 either, that is simply the whole world base map. The detailed map 2017.10 brings with it all the detail you'll ever need for Western Europe, including Spain.
Q1. Do you have a Time Capsule or something similar attached to your computer? If so, it's maybe that?
Q2. That's probably just a glitch, whereby the device is seeing your bike's cradle as being a car. Try cleaning the contacts carefully.
Q3. Unless you particularly want to chose the 3D view (I don't) you do not need to select (tick) it. Similarly, unless you are off to outside of Western Eurooe, you do not need to tick the global map 2 either, that is simply the whole world base map. The detailed map 2017.10 brings with it all the detail you'll ever need for Western Europe, including Spain.
Becksy Quote (The only iffy point I had was when i ended up going down a single track road on the way back, and I thought I hadn't planned that, but when I checked back with basecamp I had indeed sent it that way (so just need to be more careful on Basecamp), To help eliviate doing that again find the road or track on google maps and see if you can put the man down on it or at the start and end of the road, or you could try zooming right in with google earth, it sometimes gives you an idea of what the road may be like.
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