Fanum
Toubab
Er.......you sure?
Unless I'm reading that completely wrong, you came over an unsighted bend/brow to find him obstructing the road and you had no option other than to hit him......
Based on that assumption, you WERE going too fast
Bent My 1200GSA!
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Er.......you sure?
Unless I'm reading that completely wrong, you came over an unsighted bend/brow to find him obstructing the road and you had no option other than to hit him......
Based on that assumption, you WERE going too fast
BlueBird
Registered user
Doable
What Pat said is correct.
I had exact same damage on my 05 6yrs ago,bent stanchion,top yoke snapped,clocks smashed where flailing stanchion hit them and bent headstock frame.
bmw insurance wrote it off and I bought it back and repaired it for £500,
My headstock frame was bent just north of the top of the shock mount,I had to make a jig to support the frame and a mandrel type thing to go over the shock mount to push the frame tubes back straight, got it better than a new one quite easy, know this as I bought a new one for reference and returned it unused after. I did take advantage or the ultrasonic and dye pen testing we have in work to check the big wishbone although there was no visable damage.
70k on it now and no problems.
What Pat said is correct.
I had exact same damage on my 05 6yrs ago,bent stanchion,top yoke snapped,clocks smashed where flailing stanchion hit them and bent headstock frame.
bmw insurance wrote it off and I bought it back and repaired it for £500,
My headstock frame was bent just north of the top of the shock mount,I had to make a jig to support the frame and a mandrel type thing to go over the shock mount to push the frame tubes back straight, got it better than a new one quite easy, know this as I bought a new one for reference and returned it unused after. I did take advantage or the ultrasonic and dye pen testing we have in work to check the big wishbone although there was no visable damage.
70k on it now and no problems.
I had a similar accident years ago (lot's of years 
), on a old Honda cb900 that I had just had fully rebuilt and was still running in, I sailed straight over the top and landed the other side of the car 
. When I got up the car driver stomped over and said LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO MY CAR !!! I then calmly proceeded to take my helmet off ............................ and threw it at him 
As said by the others, at least you are ok.
Tony
), on a old Honda cb900 that I had just had fully rebuilt and was still running in, I sailed straight over the top and landed the other side of the car . When I got up the car driver stomped over and said LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO MY CAR !!! I then calmly proceeded to take my helmet off ............................ and threw it at him As said by the others, at least you are ok.
Tony
Glad to see you are OK mate....having recently wrapped my bike around a deer and bounced down the road. Front end damage plus cyclinder head = £7K damage excluding labour you have my sympathy.
Walked away....luckiest day of my life. Hope all goes well with the insurance.
Cheers
you have my sympathy.Walked away....luckiest day of my life. Hope all goes well with the insurance.
Cheers
maxc
Registered user
Thanks for the messages of support - it was not a great way to introduce myself by what the hell! As someone said - maybe I was too fast - but do you do 30mph on every unsighted bend? There is a balance but if we took into account an idiot around every corner we would take all day to get anywhere and not enjoy it. I moved on from a KTM 660 supermoto to the BMW to do some miles and understand that caution is needed in the right place.... I also have run (budget limited) Top Fuel drag bike racing so fast is a relative issue - 192mph through the timing beams on your back without a bike under you gets your attention - before you get up and walk away.
Good news today is the 3rd party definitely has insurance and his insurers seem to be movng fast. They have his statement and all is ok - without prejudice. I am trying to sort a loan/hire bike on the other party's insurance (hate ambulance chasers, personal injury and accident management premium boosters - good discussions so far...) so I hope to be mobile again by the weekend to get down to Helston for a few days with a girlfriend. Anyone down that way over the weekend (beyond the obvious Sid's event?)
Max.
Good news today is the 3rd party definitely has insurance and his insurers seem to be movng fast. They have his statement and all is ok - without prejudice. I am trying to sort a loan/hire bike on the other party's insurance (hate ambulance chasers, personal injury and accident management premium boosters - good discussions so far...) so I hope to be mobile again by the weekend to get down to Helston for a few days with a girlfriend. Anyone down that way over the weekend (beyond the obvious Sid's event?)
Max.
Fanum
Toubab
No, not 30mph, but whatever speed I can do that I can see to stop in
It's the speed appropriate to the road that counts......we could all probably name hump backed bridges on 60MPH NSL roads that you'd be a twat to ride over at 60mph or bends on country roads that, legally, you could do at the national speed limit, but you'd be an utter cnut to do so on.... and if you ride around ANY corner faster than you can see to stop in, you deserve everything you get
if (worst case scenario here) there were a couple of kids playing or wandering across the road there, even out in the country........what would the story be now?
Glad you made it out alive, but sorry, you were evidently riding too fast for the road conditions/what you could see, there's no 'maybe' about it..... you were in the wrong.
Just calling it like I see it
When I was knocked off my bike I escaped without serious injury. Which I put down to my many years of getting pissed, and knowing how to fall.
+1
Lighty
Registered user
Unlucky , but good luck in future, shame you don't drive as sensibly as some on here , you would never hit anything then 
maxc
Registered user
Update - I agreed a payout from the car driver's insurers so I got the full cost of the replacement parts plus my helmet, gloves, jacket plus Bahnstormer's inspection and storage charges - over £6.5K, plus they will pay the VAT on any invoices I submit.
I got the bike back on Friday and have stripped it. It is not as bad as I thought:
- LH fork stanchion and lower leg bent
- Top fork yoke fractured
- Front wheel has slight run-out
- LH fog light mounting ring broken
It also has small scrapes on the crash bars, bar end and pannier corner bracket. Everything else is ok and I measured everything carefully so the frame has not bent. Even the handlebars are ok.
I will start getting the replacement parts and should have it back on the road within 2 weeks (away on business for most of this week).
I got the bike back on Friday and have stripped it. It is not as bad as I thought:
- LH fork stanchion and lower leg bent
- Top fork yoke fractured
- Front wheel has slight run-out
- LH fog light mounting ring broken
It also has small scrapes on the crash bars, bar end and pannier corner bracket. Everything else is ok and I measured everything carefully so the frame has not bent. Even the handlebars are ok.
I will start getting the replacement parts and should have it back on the road within 2 weeks (away on business for most of this week).
Does the bike now have any category against it eg a Cat C or D ??
If it were mine I'd also rebuild it, sounds about the same amount of damage I had. Done 8,000 since the damage repair with no worries.
Not wanting to cast judgement on any dealers especially Bahnstormers but they are obliged to survey and quote to replace every damaged part even if cosmetic which drives up the repair cost considerably. DIY repair and discounted or used parts can make it much more affordable.
If it were mine I'd also rebuild it, sounds about the same amount of damage I had. Done 8,000 since the damage repair with no worries.
Not wanting to cast judgement on any dealers especially Bahnstormers but they are obliged to survey and quote to replace every damaged part even if cosmetic which drives up the repair cost considerably. DIY repair and discounted or used parts can make it much more affordable.
red line
Registered user
No, not 30mph, but whatever speed I can do that I can see to stop in
It's the speed appropriate to the road that counts......we could all probably name hump backed bridges on 60MPH NSL roads that you'd be a twat to ride over at 60mph or bends on country roads that, legally, you could do at the national speed limit, but you'd be an utter cnut to do so on.... and if you ride around ANY corner faster than you can see to stop in, you deserve everything you get
if (worst case scenario here) there were a couple of kids playing or wandering across the road there, even out in the country........what would the story be now?
Glad you made it out alive, but sorry, you were evidently riding too fast for the road conditions/what you could see, there's no 'maybe' about it..... you were in the wrong.
Just calling it like I see it
my oh my Fanum, aren’t you big
eedjitthere always has to be one
have a great day
mcinlb
Registered user
Glad to see you are OK mate....having recently wrapped my bike around a deer and bounced down the road. Front end damage plus cyclinder head = £7K damage excluding labour
Walked away....luckiest day of my life. Hope all goes well with the insurance.
Cheers
"luckiest day of my life" , why
did the deer end up in the freezer 
patzx12
Registered user
Check out Ebay.DE for parts as well loads of BMW stuff f\s in Germany
"luckiest day of my life" , why
Nope....still here....mate of mine not so lucky who came off at a similarl speed and slid into a parked JCB ...a gonner.
Ojay
Registered user
No, not 30mph, but whatever speed I can do that I can see to stop in
It's the speed appropriate to the road that counts......we could all probably name hump backed bridges on 60MPH NSL roads that you'd be a twat to ride over at 60mph or bends on country roads that, legally, you could do at the national speed limit, but you'd be an utter cnut to do so on.... and if you ride around ANY corner faster than you can see to stop in, you deserve everything you get
if (worst case scenario here) there were a couple of kids playing or wandering across the road there, even out in the country........what would the story be now?
Glad you made it out alive, but sorry, you were evidently riding too fast for the road conditions/what you could see, there's no 'maybe' about it..... you were in the wrong.
Just calling it like I see it
Did you witness said accident... if not how can you call it like you see it... your talking bollox... plan for what you can see... plan for what you can possibly expect to see... as for planning for tha totally unexpected, good luck on that one... thats why we have insurance...
Country Bumpkin
Registered user
just my opinion
It is worth remembering that posted speeds including NSL are a 'limit' and not a 'target'.
Am pleased you are ok and it is the bike that took the brunt of the collision, however, in this case regardless of the circumstances I am in agreement with Fanum.
There is no merit in being in the right if you are 6 feet underground. In my experience people do the craziest of things on the road with scant regard for others.
Self preservation is the order of the day. If that means adjusting ones speed to well below the posted limit to negotiate a hazard (hump back bridge / blind corner) then so be it.
CB
It is worth remembering that posted speeds including NSL are a 'limit' and not a 'target'.
Am pleased you are ok and it is the bike that took the brunt of the collision, however, in this case regardless of the circumstances I am in agreement with Fanum.
There is no merit in being in the right if you are 6 feet underground. In my experience people do the craziest of things on the road with scant regard for others.
Self preservation is the order of the day. If that means adjusting ones speed to well below the posted limit to negotiate a hazard (hump back bridge / blind corner) then so be it.
CB
Fanum
Toubab
my oh my Fanum, aren’t you big
there always has to be one
have a great day
Not saying I don't do it as well......
Just calling it as I see it
Take some fekking responsibility
No of course I didn't fucking see the accident....I have read the account by the person who had it though, who admits that he may have been going too fast for the conditions himself!! (which includes what you can see
) How am I talking bollocks? please enlighten me?
You CAN plan for the unexpected, within reason.....sure, you won't see a toilet bowl full of frozen crap ejected from a 747 twenty thousand feet above you until it squishes you, but do you seriously go around corners out in the countryside assuming that there will never be a herd of cows across the road, or an accident that just happened when some cnut assumed there wasn't a herd of cows in the road and ploughed into them?
You seem to be happy to rely on your insurance to deal with your utter lack of riding skill and hazard awareness....good for you, and I sincerely hope that when you are sitting in your quadriplegic's wheel chair after writing yourself off around a bend that you took a little too fast to allow yourself enough reaction time to deal with what was there, you are happy with your insurance payout
Just don't ever come riding near me.
.i.
ChrisH Kerry
Registered user
Not saying I don't do it as well......
Amazing how you've condemned someones competence to ride a bike based on the account of a single accident. Yet from the first line of your reply?You seem to be happy to rely on your insurance to deal with your utter lack of riding skill and hazard awareness....good for you, and I sincerely hope that when you are sitting in your quadriplegic's wheel chair after writing yourself off around a bend that you took a little too fast to allow yourself enough reaction time to deal with what was there, you are happy with your insurance payout
Just don't ever come riding near me.
Anyway ... maxc, good to hear you're ok and bike fixable
red line
Registered user
Not saying I don't do it as well......
Just calling it as I see it
Take some fekking responsibility
No of course I didn't fucking see the accident....I have read the account by the person who had it though, who admits that he may have been going too fast for the conditions himself!! (which includes what you can see
How am I talking bollocks? please enlighten me?
You CAN plan for the unexpected, within reason.....sure, you won't see a toilet bowl full of frozen crap ejected from a 747 twenty thousand feet above you until it squishes you, but do you seriously go around corners out in the countryside assuming that there will never be a herd of cows across the road, or an accident that just happened when some cnut assumed there wasn't a herd of cows in the road and ploughed into them?
You seem to be happy to rely on your insurance to deal with your utter lack of riding skill and hazard awareness....good for you, and I sincerely hope that when you are sitting in your quadriplegic's wheel chair after writing yourself off around a bend that you took a little too fast to allow yourself enough reaction time to deal with what was there, you are happy with your insurance payout
Just don't ever come riding near me.
.i.
after this, i really dont think anyone will want to go riding near you, with you or anywhere in sight of you, what utter Hypocrisy
lad, get a life, no-one likes a muppet nor a numpty, and you sir, tick both boxes
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