Best travel insurance for the more aged among us

My *free* travel insurance with an HSBC Premier certainly account used to include bikes over 125cc if it was you transport for the holiday but not hires. I'll certainly be double checking before my next trip as I always do.

I spoke to them about that, helped as I worked for HSBC at the time. Chiefly about the limitation whereby the bike had to be your means of transport from the UK to the holiday destination. I countered that flying to a holiday destination was safer than me riding there. Similarly, transporting the bike on a trailer was safer than riding the bike. Also, that, if one held a full licence in the UK, why was me hiring a bike at a holiday destination necessarily more dangerous than me riding one all the way there and all the way back?

The chimp agreed with me, waived the limitation and agreed to make a note of our conversation. I still have my contemporaneous note of our call, scanned into a PDF, all on nice HSBC insurance brokers’ paper. There is no time limitation to it.

The latest edition of the policy has no such restrictions in it but I am keeping the note.
 
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Update.. today renewed with
Navigator Insurance
0161 973 6435
Human speaks to yer in understandable english
£277 for all year multi trip. Europewide.
Bikes only for 31 day trips other trips 45 days with a 30 quidish option to extend to 62 days on trips
Me 69 an Janet younger and lovelier
Couple of minor health conditions BP an statin for me
hthy
lets get going, its been wet for tooooooo long
Wed Plymouth Santander
 
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I'm with Staysure with my medical conditions declared (Low grade prostate cancer and brain tumour removal / craniotomy) and have an annual global policy including the US and bikes over 125CC just renewed at £392.30

Had to sort it out over the phone, and send in a few letters from the neuro unit and urology but all pretty straight forward in the end.
That’s pretty much what me and the wife each pay with Staysure worldwide cover. Both have a few pre existing and ongoing conditions which they are quite happy with.
Just remember to update them if anything changes
 
That is a very fair point Wappers . I witnessed someone having a potentially hard lesson in the south of France years ago .
Cornish family that we knew well , met them most years for the camping/ windsurfing / beer drinking etc
The wife took unwell and was pronounced very sick needing emergency admission ,, collected in an Ambulance on blues , - turned out they had NO health ins at all ( these are smart middle class well to do people )
As it turned out , and for whatever reason The French Health service announced , no charge ,, but it gave the fella a lot to worry about all the time his wife was in hospital getting sorted out .
Would that have been down to the old E111 form that used to do a swapsies with a French family in this country?
 
Update.. today renewed with
Navigator Insurance
0161 973 6435
Human speaks to yer in understandable english
£277 for all year multi trip. Europewide.
Bikes only for 31 day trips other trips 45 days with a 30 quidish option to extend to 62 days on trips
Me 69 an Janet younger and lovelier
Couple of minor health conditions BP an statin for me
hthy
lets get going, its been wet for tooooooo long
Wed Plymouth Santander
That was who we used for the Canary Islands trip, it was about £45 for the two of us for the week. I am not getting an annual policy again because we don't travel every year even, let alone more than once a year! In fact, in 35 years of marriage that Canary trip was our 3rd holiday. :D
 
Some bods here get very arsey when it’s suggested that anyone or anything is allowed access to their medical data. It could though I guess be done with AI scanning thousands of NHS records, assuming that is that the records themselves are accurate and reasonably up-to-date. It also assumes that every customer uses the NHS for treatment/ consultations, lots now use medical insurance covers.
Yes I would think there would be some pushback against such a system .a bit like the organ donor registration scheme ,your details being used to target you if you are a match for some bigwig , millionaire,illuminati so you might fall victim to a accident and your required organs purchased by them .
Tin foil hats availability are running low .
 
Yes I would think there would be some pushback against such a system .a bit like the organ donor registration scheme ,your details being used to target you if you are a match for some bigwig , millionaire,illuminati so you might fall victim to a accident and your required organs purchased by them .
Tin foil hats availability are running low .
You can breathe easy, they have started injecting themselves with the blood of their children! Apparently it takes years off them, they are all at it...But the worrying bit is, the donor does not have to be related, just the same blood type, just watch the children start to go missing now! :D
 
Would that have been down to the old E111 form that used to do a swapsies with a French family in this country?
Think it might have been 👍 - they were in receipt of very good health care
 
You can breathe easy, they have started injecting themselves with the blood of their children! Apparently it takes years off them, they are all at it...But the worrying bit is, the donor does not have to be related, just the same blood type, just watch the children start to go missing now! :D
If that were the case the children would be looked after and 'farmed'....hang on, there's an idea!
 
Direct Travel will cover you upto the age of 80 even with previous medical conditions.
I'm covered up to 10 Mil with full repatriation for £96 a year. Full M/C cover providing you have the necessary licence.

After 80 it's medical opinion dependant
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Thanks for all the replies on here. I will get quotes from some of them next week.
Cheers all.
Phil

Puffin and Tesco have not been mentioned above. They both sell an Axa policy that covers riding bikes and has reasonable rates for medical stuff. Tesco will quote online for up to 80. They ask you to ring if over 80. I have used both in the past.
This year, I took out a Zurich annual policy via Allclear. £61 which was a better price than Tesco. I'm 61 with a few, lower risk medical things.
With Allclear, bikes are covered as long as you select Gold or better cover. Silver has the 125cc limit. I know people who are over 70 and have more serious conditions who use this broker, at a price.
 
Puffin and Tesco have not been mentioned above. They both sell an Axa policy that covers riding bikes and has reasonable rates for medical stuff. Tesco will quote online for up to 80. They ask you to ring if over 80. I have used both in the past.
This year, I took out a Zurich annual policy via Allclear. £61 which was a better price than Tesco. I'm 61 with a few, lower risk medical things.
With Allclear, bikes are covered as long as you select Gold or better cover. Silver has the 125cc limit. I know people who are over 70 and have more serious conditions who use this broker, at a price.
i used Allclear for a recent trip to poland and germany - £8 i think for few days gold cover id use them again

a quote through a motorcycle broker (who cover my bike) was just too much nearly 10x
 
This is a classic thread on how it is very easy for bods to muddle up and confuse something as simple as Travel insurance, bought every day by hundreds (or more) people.
mmmm it's still confusing for some though......for instance i'm off to slovenia in July and I have BMW breakdown insurance so that covers breaking down. next I have my annual holiday insurance that covers me to ride the bike on holiday (I've read the small print)and then we come to my bike insurance from hastings direct and my question to them was what happens if I become ill while abroad and am unable to ride the bike home ? their answer was they would not recover it.. so my question remains if I become ill and cant ride the bike how am I going to get it home . Regards Pierre



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mmmm it's still confusing for some though......for instance i'm off to slovenia in July and I have BMW breakdown insurance so that covers breaking down. next I have my annual holiday insurance that covers me to ride the bike on holiday (I've read the small print)and then we come to my bike insurance from hastings direct and my question to them was what happens if I become ill while abroad and am unable to ride the bike home ? their answer was they would not recover it.. so my question remains if I become ill and cant ride the bike how am I going to get it home . Regards Pierre



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read the small print of the BMW recovery policy - my LV Britannia breakdown policy has this wording:

Section G5 – Relief Driver
If the only available driver cannot continue a journey because of illness or injury, we will:
• Provide a qualified driver to drive your vehicle and up to 7 passengers back to your home address in the UK; or
• Pay any extra costs to transport your vehicle, up to 7 passengers and luggage back to the UK as long as these costs are not higher than the market value of your vehicle.

Hence if you have a medical incident rather than a bike accident, your Travel policy will pay for treatment and if needed a medivac home. Assuming BMW Assist has the same section as LV, BMW Assist would get the bike home.
 
Part of why some of us are looking at wobbly boxes for international travel now.
which is still in the design process....:nenau
We had the best of times but were the last generation to travel as far as we liked, as fast as we liked.
Soooooo no more bimbles on the 1150?
 
Depending on your medical history have you vonsideted swapping your current account to Nationwide? Their FlexPlus account costs £13 a month anx you get free travel insurance that includes winter sports as well as mobile insurance for the family living at your address and roadside rescue for the policy holder (so I added SWMBO to mine so we both get it) They do charge for known medical conditions and repeat meds but it might be worth you giving them a call and getting a quote.
Normally l'd say that's a great deal but my personal experience of 'free' insurance is that when something goes wrong its just not worth it, my brother was left in a coma in Spain with free AXA insurance via Lloyds bank and they we're nothing but trouble trying to get into touch or any help from them.
 
Read the print of the policies you have in your hands…

Is all you need to say. Fixed.

OP…. In essence and at its most basic:

1. Your Motor insurance pays for damage and / or injury you might cause to a third party. It’s the only thing that is required by law. A fully comprehensive policy then extends cover to include damage to or loss of the vehicle itself, for instance, theft, you running it into a ditch, it being destroyed by fire, some malicious person taking a coin to the side of it or any number of other disasters that might befall it.

None of those involve either the consequences of you falling ill (whether at home, in Scotland or the woods of Finland) or your vehicle suffering a mechanical breakdown.

2. Your Travel insurance covers you (your body) against death, injury and illness, whilst you are away from home. It also extends to cover such things as delays, cancellations, loss or theft of your possessions. None of those things involve the damage to or loss of your vehicle and / or you feeling unwell and unwilling (or unable) to drive. What the policy might do is:

i. Pay to fly you home for treatment, if necessary. If not, pay for your treatment abroad.

ii. Pay to fly you back again to collect your vehicle / continue your holiday and (maybe) its safe storage while you are in hospital / unwell.

3. Your mechanical breakdown policy. This covers you for the breakdown, subsequent repair and / or recovery of your vehicle. None of those are a collision or you feeling or being ill.

Now…. The tricky bit….

A. Not all policies are the same. Some breakdown policies might extend to include a crash but, more often than not this will fall to your Motor insurer

B. Some breakdown policies might extend to cover illness and the costs associated with safe storage and / or recovery

C. Some travel policies might extend to cover the costs associated with the recovery of the vehicle, following illness or your bodily injury.

D. Some motor policies have all sorts of other policies and covers bolted onto them. For example, travel insurance, breakdown insurance, legal expenses, damage to clothing. Some bods read these as “My policy includes….” In reality, it very probably doesn’t. What they actually have is several polices (often with different terms and different insurers) all bundled together inside one envelope, in some sort of ‘added value’ sale or because the bolt-on’s seem to the customer to be ‘free’ and are very often sold as such, as everyone likes something for nothing. They are not free, nothing ever is. They are also, very possibly, stripped down or reduced versions of broader (better) cover that might have been available separately for a modest premium.

In short, read YOUR policy and don’t rely exclusively on the equivalent of “My mate says….” as, as sure as eggs is eggs, the mate will not be around too long after the event.

I can give you an example. I buckled the wheel of my Pan European in the south of France. Buckling a wheel is not a breakdown per-se. I was not injured in the slightest. My breakdown insurer arranged for car hire for the balance of my holiday and then back to London and the process associated with the bike being assessed by Honda in France and its eventual shipping back to the UK for repair. The important word is ‘arranged’ as my breakdown insurer recovered all their costs from my comprehensive motor insurer, the cause of the whole lot being me, buckling my front wheel, nothing more, nothing less. Why did my breakdown insurer arrange things and not my motor insurer? Simple, because the breakdown insurer is used to dealing with things. They know who to contact, they know who to speak to for car hire, they speak the local language. In short, they are efficient. The chances are that your motor insurer (whilst very good in the UK) will not have got the slightest clue how to arrange a truck on the N273 outside somewhere unpronounceable in southwest France to pick-up a stranded motorcyclist with a buckled wheel. So, they sub-contract the job to breakdown insurer who does know how to do all these things, as they do it 24/7/365.

Had I of spat myself off, as the Pan European flew through the air and broken say my leg in the process, I am sure that my Travel insurer would have met my hospital bills and (if necessary) my carriage back to the UK. I am equally sure that my bike would have been dealt with in the same way. There again, I had bought good insurance. Some are happy to gamble or not buy any at all.

Had I not buckled my wheel but instead, the wheel bearing had failed or had a piston flown through the top of the engine or the battery failed, then all of these would have been dealt with by my breakdown insurer, with no reference at all to my motor insurer. Had the piston, when it shot out, caught me smartly in the nuts on the way to the heavens, leaving me in urgent need of Nurse Maria’s cooling balms, then my Travel insurer would have picked up the costs of the bodily injury I had suffered. The breakdown insurer would deal with the bike.
 
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37 day Greek trip coming up. Currently insured via Nationwide Flex Plus who are shortly changing insurers to Aviva (I believe) on 1st May.

In an effort to be proactive I checked out a couple of other insurers, Avanti and Staysure, who appear to offer much the same package with identical application format but different costs.

The fly in the ointment is -
1. My age, 74
2. The length of trip, as they only seem to do 35 day maximum.

I’m unable to get any info from Aviva until it goes live in a couple of days time, and the clock is ticking…

Suggestions please?
 


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